LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

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Lucius Vorenus

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Don't even need that. I just pump in fresh air 15 min 4x a day with a 600cfm fan and it works awesome. Then I have a free standing AC in each room. I do spray Co2 foliar 2-3x week. That's good though because it keeps me lookin at my plants
 
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infinitalus

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polyarcturus said:
just buy the damn tanks will you guy? these diy co2 aren't worth it if you want to know the truth, yeah a boost but don't get your hopes up of doubling your yield or cutting growth time in half. just try to cycle the air as fast as possible i remember reading somewhere that if you could cycle the air in a room 10x a min it would be equivalent to running a co2 tank at 1500 ppm
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I will never use CO2 tanks myself for multiple reasons. If anything, I would create my own mycelial blocks with a vented hole for respiration but thats because Im familiar with how to do it. Eventually Id like to grow gourmet mushrooms like portabello, shiitake, morel.. but even the mushrooms that substrate produces would be worth more than a $40 brick from ExHale or BoostBuddy.

Its just not going to benefit you the same way supplemental CO2 does. Due to either heat or humidity or both caused by any lighting system, adequate ventilation is almost required. There is about 300ppm CO2 in the air, and plants peak at growth at ppm levels of ~1200-1300. AC and dehumid would work if you can rig a system up for it, but it would cost more in the long run for utility cost and equipment.

Flushing the air out 1x-2x per minute is all you need for your CO2 levels to remain at ambient atmosphere levels. Adjust for humidity, temperature, and CO2 supplementation as needed.

Some folks use carbon filters for stealth grows and this requires constant ventilation. Youll be losing some CO2 in the process, but in my case this isnt a problem because my 'tank' never turns off and doesnt run out of CO2 til its obviously expired.
 
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cjd

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Left to right. 660 420, 633, Actinic White, 660, 460, 420, 660 Camera phone so it's a horrible picture. I have them over two Big Boy Tomato plants. After the first run of 6 on 6 off there was a a obvious difference in color and plant height. They were both 12" to the leaf tip 10" wide to the leaf tip with a 1/4" stem thickness. the next morning they were both 14" tall same width and stem. I had to move the light so they sat in front of a window for a little over 24 hr. with no loss in height or color. I did have some slight burning but day 2 was 18 on and 6 off at 18". I also intentionally did not harden them in anyway before putting them under the light just to see what would happen in a worse case situation. Greenhouse to under the light. The 660's are in production and should be avail. in 6 weeks. I can't release the graph until I get the OK but it is exactly as Jeff @ UVL described it. The names are still up in the air but it will be simple and to the point just like the concept. There most likely will be a graph of what the light will produce with whatever the final combo of tubes are. It may be what I am running but nothing is final.
 

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infinitalus

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Looks nice.. that is a really deep purple on that 420. Which lamp is that?

Oh, UVL is already in production of the 660s? There is also a spectral graph for it?

Perhaps one or both of us are being misled.

X,

We haven't promoted the 660nm lamp or spec graph yet until we finalize the field testing and put them into production....sorta don't want to put the cart before the horse theory.

I'm interested to get your results and initial impression of the lamp as a whole.

I'm here to help and anything we can do just let us know, Thanks X. Keep me informed.



Regards,
Jeff Saghy
UV Lighting Co.
[email protected]
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polyarcturus

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infinitalus said:
I will never use CO2 tanks myself for multiple reasons. If anything, I would create my own mycelial blocks with a vented hole for respiration but thats because Im familiar with how to do it. Eventually Id like to grow gourmet mushrooms like portabello, shiitake, morel.. but even the mushrooms that substrate produces would be worth more than a $40 brick from ExHale or BoostBuddy.

Its just not going to benefit you the same way supplemental CO2 does. Due to either heat or humidity or both caused by any lighting system, adequate ventilation is almost required. There is about 300ppm CO2 in the air, and plants peak at growth at ppm levels of ~1200-1300. AC and dehumid would work if you can rig a system up for it, but it would cost more in the long run for utility cost and equipment.

Flushing the air out 1x-2x per minute is all you need for your CO2 levels to remain at ambient atmosphere levels. Adjust for humidity, temperature, and CO2 supplementation as needed.

Some folks use carbon filters for stealth grows and this requires constant ventilation. Youll be losing some CO2 in the process, but in my case this isnt a problem because my 'tank' never turns off and doesnt run out of CO2 til its obviously expired.
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no ac, yes a dehu but thats because of my grows location in a basement. maintenance, none. set timer and go! mines not completely sealed(i dont believe in thaT) but 1500 ppm is what allows me to grow so fast should i take a pic of veg today so you can compare to the pics a weeks ago? my growth is amazing, now im not knocking your method, its a good method but not accurate enough for me.
 
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cjd

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He means full production. The graph exists but is not for distribution I am looking at it right now. It's in the rough format still. I am a dealer for them now so I have to follow certain rules with disclosure.
 
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cjd

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You can call anything you want it really doesn't matter to me. That's the picture of the light running so it's all you get and the rest of the forum will have to suffer I don't have to keep anyone informed here. Besides for all I know your bullshit. You are growing something that IS federal illegal. So who is the bandit here?
 
polyarcturus

polyarcturus

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wtfe dude. i would never jump up to use GROWING is illegal bullshit to try and prove your point i am well aware of this fact and here your the bandit. so stop.
 
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kpmarine

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He's not selling anything at this very moment. Please tone down accusations of someone robbing you until they actually try to take money. Just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. If he can't post the SPD, then wait until UVL releases it. Should be out in 6 weeks apparently. If that doesn't materialize, then calling CJD a liar would be fair. It's a bit too soon to pass judgment.
 
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polyarcturus

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he might not be selling but dont fluant you have the graph in my face unless you came here to secretley share i would rather wait having thought no one but the company has seen the charts if you got the charts who else has them? and what to stop them from posting it early elsewhere? all im saying i bet the chart is at the company on the hardrive till it at full production
 
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cjd

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It the reality of the situation son. You can twist it anyway you need to get by. Like I said in my previous reply what you think doesn't matter to me. If you had half a clue you would have looked back about a week ago and had seen that what I said are facts regarding the bulbs. So before you get all puffy and swollen don't ever call anyone out before you do at least a little research. Then you don't have to worry about looking foolish. So Mr. X grow up. Hum, my story's match up with confirmation of posts here I have the lights and the charts that were also confirmed to exist. But you like to shoot from the hip and act surprised when you get it back. That's sad. Don't ever contact me or if I ever post here again reply to ANYTHING I write!
 
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polyarcturus

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my name is polyarcturus and i do as please child, i have no ill will against you, but your position is strained. please feel free to share. im not surprised by your reaction took you long enough to think of a reply.

and if your concerned about what i say there is an ignore option in "MyRollitup"
 
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cjd

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"i do as please child" Says the little boy. Now you are actually amusing me. You can try your little high school game from your mothers basement but remember this. I have the bulbs and did it with 1 phone call and at the time 15 posts on this site.
 
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infinitalus

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polyarcturus said:
no ac, yes a dehu but thats because of my grows location in a basement. maintenance, none. set timer and go! mines not completely sealed(i dont believe in thaT) but 1500 ppm is what allows me to grow so fast should i take a pic of veg today so you can compare to the pics a weeks ago? my growth is amazing, now im not knocking your method, its a good method but not accurate enough for me.
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Im not lucky enough to have my grow in a basement (yet) so I still have to be mindful of temperature. 1500 ppm exceeds the peak point for growth in plants, see below. There is never just one factor that will allow for a stupendous growth. Everything plays together with plants like music does to a dance. Percussion, strings, vocals (if any), brass, etc.

It may not be exceedingly accurate like a regulated CO2 tank, but my experience in the world of mycelium allows me to give good approximations while compensating for air thats being vented out of the room. Also, I dont have to worry about refills and dragging a big bulky tank out of my room, or my carbon footprint on the environment for the production of the CO2.
 
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infinitalus

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CJD,

I reread his email to me and it says 'has not promoted' the lamp or graph. He didnt say it doesnt exist, although its disappointing that they wouldnt create a 'hype' before releasing it to the public if you will. UVL is a private company, and I respect their wishes as any other businessman would. Poly on the other hand does not, thats his perogitive and problem. They will both be available soon enough it appears, and will be on the market long before I have the need for additional lamps anyways.

Still, can you give me the lamp name of the (420) deep purple you have?

@Poly,

Think about video game companies. They ship to retailers like gamestop, walmart, target, etc., long before the release date so that when the date hits across the entire globe theres enough for everyone (hopefully). Employees and the Employers cant take any of these games until the release date at risk of being fired, sued, or both.
 
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hyroot

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If you want to.see the spectrum chart for uvl 660. Then email uvl. I did and I hve seen the chart. But I cant release it either. I will tell you it does not look very good. Im hoping they will tweek it some more. as of now I would not buy it. After they make some changes, maybe. For the same money you can order the gro lux from the U.K.. That one is much better.

I have sent more emails to coralife, current usa/ truelumen, and wave point. So I will let you all know when I hear back.
 
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infinitalus

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hyroot said:
If you want to.see the spectrum chart for uvl 660. Then email uvl. I did and I hve seen the chart. But I cant release it either. I will tell you it does not look very good. Im hoping they will tweek it some more. as of now I would not buy it. After they make some changes, maybe. For the same money you can order the gro lux from the U.K.. That one is much better.

I have sent more emails to coralife, current usa/ truelumen, and wave point. So I will let you all know when I hear back.
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Just looked at the SPD for the Gro-lux. Thats actually a REALLY good full spectrum lamp. strong spikes just after 400, again ~430, quick strong spike at 550, and really strong output from 600-670. Wow.
 
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polyarcturus

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you do have a good point there with the video games bought modern warfare 3 weeks b4 it came out from a wallys world.....

@cjd well see how useful you prove to be. you can keep attacking me if you wish but this makes you look bad quips at my grammar and where i grow are not amusing. you are being childish add some more useful info, show off some pics off your beuties corals or otherwise, promote education and knowledge around here share some of your experiments its fine if you keep the chart from the above view point, but your not contributing anything but a bulb without any proof. if you have them in action i would be more inclined to believe you. you think i grow a mommys look a few pages back mommy wouldnt be happy if she stumblled in on that.....
 
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