LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

Myles117 said:
what day is last day? how long you run them bitches? looks great bro
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63 days. no bullshit, I'm seeing better results under the T5. The girls under the 1k were that far along after 4 weeks. the T5 ones are so frosty already:hump:
I love how they remain so perky through the whole day and absolutely zero stretching. These bulbs open up the stomata on the leaves so much more

I so can't wait for the 12 bulb to replace the 1k
 
hyroot said:
63 days. no bullshit, I'm seeing better results under the T5. The girls under the 1k were that far along after 4 weeks. the T5 ones are so frosty already:hump:
I love how they remain so perky through the whole day and absolutely zero stretching. These bulbs open up the stomata on the leaves so much more

I so can't wait for the 12 bulb to replace the 1k
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And the results are amazing hyroot! Beautiful under any light ;)
Proof is in the PAR ladies and gentlemen...More light less HEAT!
Thanks for showing others what i could not!
 
hyroot said:
63 days. no bullshit, I'm seeing better results under the T5. The girls under the 1k were that far along after 4 weeks. the T5 ones are so frosty already:hump:
I love how they remain so perky through the whole day and absolutely zero stretching. These bulbs open up the stomata on the leaves so much more

I so can't wait for the 12 bulb to replace the 1k
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On a side note... Save for the 16 bulb...
that will be a true equivalent to a 1k... and im sure we would all love to see THAT grow!!
 
I decided to flower the 4 plants I have in veg.
Today I turned the lights off for 36 hour dark period before lights on for a 12/12 P.A.R T5 flower cycle.

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pr0fesseur said:
On a side note... Save for the 16 bulb...
that will be a true equivalent to a 1k... and im sure we would all love to see THAT grow!!
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I already have an 8 bulb. I plan on adding the 12 right next to it. So it will be like rockin a 20 bulb.
 
Psytranceorgy: I am not using Fiji Purp. Although Pr0f has proven results, we have no Fiji graph to justify its' high price. I, like you, went with a known bulb for purple range- Wave Technologies Coral Wave.

My buds are growing crazy fast, but probably 50% of that can be attributed to me flooding my table every 20 minutes during lights on.
 
Ta Da. Just wanted to be the first entry on page 100. Looks like I didn't make it though. Nevertheless Outstanding Thread.
 
PetFlora said:
Psytranceorgy: I am not using Fiji Purp. Although Pr0f has proven results, we have no Fiji graph to justify its' high price. I, like you, went with a known bulb for purple range- Wave Technologies Coral Wave.

My buds are growing crazy fast, but probably 50% of that can be attributed to me flooding my table every 20 minutes during lights on.
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So you're using the coral waves as your "base" rather than swapping them in as a flowering supplement? Not much for red, is it? It looks to me like a blue bulb that also offers a touch of far red.
 
Here's my weekly update. I think I made a noob mistake but I am curious to hear all y'alls opinion [video=youtube;4mcZlZxDnpc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mcZlZxDnpc[/video]
 
seeing as you are having multiple nutrient def symptoms it may be a case of ph lockout. have you tested your soil runoff for ph?

im anti advnaced nutrients cuz they overpriced but botanicares calmag plus is great stuff :)
 
MurshDawg said:
Here's my weekly update. I think I made a noob mistake but I am curious to hear all y'alls opinion
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They'll be OK. It may be that the CalMag (or similar) helps, but I agree that you should check your runoff PH. I just recently had some more intense nutrient issues than that, and it was from over-fertilizing. I got a PH meter and found that my runoff was coming out at 5.3. I've just been giving them RO water and some Magic Green treatments and the worst of them are just about back to normal (normal being really great:))

Actually, now that I think of it, I did give some of the smaller ones, which I hadn't burned as badly, a bit of CalMag and some molasses :mrgreen:
 
organicbynature said:
They'll be OK. It may be that the CalMag (or similar) helps, but I agree that you should check your runoff PH. I just recently had some more intense nutrient issues than that, and it was from over-fertilizing. I got a PH meter and found that my runoff was coming out at 5.3. I've just been giving them RO water and some Magic Green treatments and the worst of them are just about back to normal (normal being really great:))

Actually, now that I think of it, I did give some of the smaller ones, which I hadn't burned as badly, a bit of CalMag and some molasses :mrgreen:
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I didn't check my run off but my media PH was around 5.5 yesterday before I flushed with R/O and clearex. Today when I checked the PH it went back up to around 6.5-7.0; I am gonna water them with only R/O from now on and next week I'll start feeding again.
As far as AN goes for nutes. I agree they are a tad bit expensive. AN is advertised to work well with Coco. I might go to humboldt or GH's Organics line the nexst time I re-up on nutes. For now, I went with ANs CalMag-grow. I always wanted to try the molasses thing as part of the final flush. I hear it makes a difference.
 
MurshDawg said:
I didn't check my run off but my media PH was around 5.5 yesterday before I flushed with R/O and clearex. Today when I checked the PH it went back up to around 6.5-7.0; I am gonna water them with only R/O from now on and next week I'll start feeding again.
As far as AN goes for nutes. I agree they are a tad bit expensive. AN is advertised to work well with Coco. I might go to humboldt or GH's Organics line the nexst time I re-up on nutes. For now, I went with ANs CalMag-grow. I always wanted to try the molasses thing as part of the final flush. I hear it makes a difference.
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If you're stuck on whether or not to add the CalMag, I don't think there's a drawback to the foliar-feeding approach while you get things figured out. That's what I used Magic Green for most recently. I should add the caveat that I'm an experienced gardener but new to this in particular.

Based on how it works in gardening in general, I assume MJ is using its friendly bacteria and fungi in a carbohydrates for nutrient exchange. The plant provides sugars, which it has created through photosynthesis, to the bacteria/fungi. In return, the bacteria and fungi provide access to nutrients that would otherwise be unavailable to the plant. They also sometimes provide other services, like pest or weather support. When you add molasses, you're adding sugars to the soil, which the bacteria/fungi can use instead of getting them from the plant. They suddenly have an abundance of easy energy available in their environment and can operate at high levels without taking as much from the plant in exchange for what they give back to it. This is how it is food for your soil (I think).

I know some people use it only in flower and some use it all throughout the grow. I haven't seen anyone having a problem with it. I think the best thing to do is understand it as best you can and then do what feels right in your situation. :)
 
MurshDawg said:
Here's my weekly update. I think I made a noob mistake but I am curious to hear all y'alls opinion [video=youtube;4mcZlZxDnpc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mcZlZxDnpc[/video]
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Don't use cal/mag. it has edta in it, no bueno...... Use calplex . From botanicare too but its organic and omri listed and has more cal and mag in it. Or use dolomite lime. It has cal mag in it. Dolomite lime also is a ph miracle fixer and it only costs $3 for a 4 lbs. box

That doesn't look like a deficiency. If it were a mag def the tips and edges would be yellow and if it was calcium def there would be transparent red spots. It looks like its too hot. The edges of the leaves are all flared up. Thats an indicator of too much heat. It looks like too much phos.. That will burn the tip and edges making a red / brown color. flush and cut back the nutes. Too much heat can cause the edges to burn too

Always remember less is more
 
Prof can you send me a pm of those hid bulbs?. My buddy is replacing bulbs for 3 lights and I want to help him find good bulbs. The best I found are the c.a.p. digilux enhanced blue spectrum.
 
If anyone's interested, I ended up cutting up some 6" flexible ducting and using aluminum tape to patch together a ballast cooler. (don't mind the duct tape in the middle... it looks like crap but it's got a layer of air-tight aluminum tape on the inside.) I'd like to set up a plexi casing and cool the bulbs too, but this alone should take most of the heat right out of the tent before it has a chance to linger and build up.

Here's a couple shots, plus a few obligatory bud shots:

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Buds:

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AltarNation said:
If anyone's interested, I ended up cutting up some 6" flexible ducting and using aluminum tape to patch together a ballast cooler. (don't mind the duct tape in the middle... it looks like crap but it's got a layer of air-tight aluminum tape on the inside.) I'd like to set up a plexi casing and cool the bulbs too, but this alone should take most of the heat right out of the tent before it has a chance to linger and build up.

Here's a couple shots, plus a few obligatory bud shots:

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Buds:

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Anyone say frosty?
so what do you think how are your lights performing so far what are your likes/dislikes/observations...
1000 words sometimes are better than a few pics..
how far along are they again?
 
OrganicByNature:

Yes, Coral Waves as my base.

Don't have sufficient amount of coral bulbs, so I am infilling with Quantum Grow (on the outsides). The overall effect is reddish blue

Grow
Aqua Suns
Special Actinics
Coral Waves
Quantum Grow

Flower
All the above plus Red Lifes

I'm trying to hold off on taking another pic until it's a week, but DAMN, the buds are rockin
 
Pr0f those shots are 22 days into flowering. Veg was something like 9 weeks from seed germination..? I kind of feel like I should have seen more vegetative growth, compared to other grows? I don't really know, honestly, so a thousand words from me isn't that valuable, lol. I also started out weak, using CFLs for the first couple weeks and the agromax 6000k bulbs for a week or so after that before getting custom bulbs.

But, I've been happy with the bud development so far... I wanted my plants to be a bit bigger before going to bud, but had an autoflowerer in there that forced my hand... none the less, the timing works out as it should be done before christmas. I'm going to let my next plants veg longer and try some FIMing.

So I guess, overall, my plants look really healthy but are a little smaller than I expected to see at this stage. Maybe I will see a lot of development over the next month of flowering?
 
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