LED Without LEDs -My First T5 Grow

pedro420 said:

Hey uc I'm not saying your wrong about useing ir in veg but I used a Coralwave 2 flora suns 1 3000k bulbs for the last 3 weeks of veg for my
Bubblegum kush .lemon skunk and pineapple express and none of them showed pre flowers but within a week of being on 12-12 they all had thumbnail sized clusters of hairs poking out everywhere on them and they are like doubling in size every day

Again not saying your wrong or right but that was what happind to me remember it was only 2-3 weeks tho

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If you dig in this thread im the one who said coral waves cause flowering in veg. I posted pics too. In one day on a 18/6. 5 different strains already had buds as if it had been in flower for 2 weeks. That was with 2 coral waves. On th following batch I tried it with 1 coral wave and same results. Then I found a published paper from texas a&m doing experiments with infrared lighting and the effects it has on plant growth. That. Comfirmed everything. I even posted a link to that too. I have no idea where in this thread that was. Ive already done 7 Par batches about to start my 8th. As that as a time span of how long ago ot could of been.

Well that's why I said I wasn't saying if it was rite or wrong it just didn't happin for me

But I'll keep that in mind when I set up again after this round

1 vs. 2 coral waves, perhaps the amount from one bulb won't trigger but 2 will.. probably depends on the plant too on that...

Yay!! My new genetics hath arrived! Props to Sannies! Woo Woo... can't wait for my flowers to finish so I can rotate and get some of these into action...

Vegging with- 6500 / Bluewave / 6500 / Reefwave - repeat every 4 tubes

Plants react much better to this blend of light, compared to four 6500 tubes. (for my situation)

So far so good

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The IR in CoralWaves is out of the PAR curve, they are essentially Actinic BlueWave bulbs with IR that wont be utilized. When used in Veg, if they dont induce flowering, you can count on them being a good chunk less effective than a BlueWave. 760 is out of the PAR curve so its being wasted in Veg, IR is used in a PAR spectrum to induce and enhance flowering... BlueWaves are a dual phosphor blend covering 03 actinic as well as 460, so it will provide all the PAR blue you need, FloraSuns will provide all the PAR red (630-660)
The IR from the CoralWaves wont be utilized in Veg, save em for flower.
If used, they'll still grow, they're just not putting out as much blue as efficiently as a pure blue BlueWave or other 420-460Actinic (I like AquaticLife's 420/460 also) since whatever % of their output that is used to create that IR spike is being wasted. You'll get results, but you want the most efficient means to it

48martin said:

Vegging with- 6500 / Bluewave / 6500 / Reefwave - repeat every 4 tubes

Plants react much better to this blend of light, compared to four 6500 tubes.

So far so good

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I used that combo last grow through veg, liked it and had no complaints, but I think the BlueWaves cover all the blue well enough so I havent bought any more ReefWaves, but I still have one as sidelighting. I think the 630-660 red from the FloraSuns are giving me a bit quicker growth than I was getting when I had the 6500k's (610nm), But I got good squatty bushy growth with both combos, like 2-3 nodes per inch

Ill agree tho, I definatley got much better results when I initally swapped out half of my 6500k's for actinics. That was the first sign I got that helped really open my eyes to the PAR method

aAlright guys

IT SEEMS EVERYONE IS ENJOYING THE POSTAL SERVICE TODAY!! CONGRATS ON YOUR NEW GENETICS ALTAR NATION GOTTA LOVE NEW SHIT!

I MYSELF JUST RECEIVED MY LAST PAIR OF BULBS. AND IT SEEMS THAT MY ORDER WAS CHANGED A LITTLE. BUT....I DONT REMEMBER IF I DID IT.

I WAS ALMOST POSITIVE THAT I ORDERED 12000K ACTINICS. BUT THEY SENT ME 420 NM / 620 NM PURPLE BULBS. WHICH IS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!


THEY ARE BASICALLY FIJI PURPS.

ANYWAYS MY SETUP IS NOW AS FOLLOWS

CAN SOMEONE LET ME KNOW WHAT THEY THINK ON THE BLEND HERE..

420/460 PURP
6500K
420 SUPER ACTINIC
650 ROSEATE
650 ROSEATE
420 SUPER ACTINIC
6500K
420/620 PURPLE


What cha think????

Here are the pics guys right after i put the bulbs in. So hopefully soon they will react to the bulbs.

I left em alone for now

ValleGrown said:

aAlright guys

IT SEEMS EVERYONE IS ENJOYING THE POSTAL SERVICE TODAY!! CONGRATS ON YOUR NEW GENETICS ALTAR NATION GOTTA LOVE NEW SHIT!

I MYSELF JUST RECEIVED MY LAST PAIR OF BULBS. AND IT SEEMS THAT MY ORDER WAS CHANGED A LITTLE. BUT....I DONT REMEMBER IF I DID IT.

I WAS ALMOST POSITIVE THAT I ORDERED 12000K ACTINICS. BUT THEY SENT ME 420 NM / 620 NM PURPLE BULBS. WHICH IS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!


THEY ARE BASICALLY FIJI PURPS.

ANYWAYS MY SETUP IS NOW AS FOLLOWS

CAN SOMEONE LET ME KNOW WHAT THEY THINK ON THE BLEND HERE..

420/460 PURP
6500K
420 SUPER ACTINIC
650 ROSEATE
650 ROSEATE
420 SUPER ACTINIC
6500K
420/620 PURPLE


What cha think????

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I think its a pretty good combo for veg, for Flower I'd swap the 420's for CoralWaves and the Purples for some FloraSuns or more Roseates.

Im still waiting on mine, but I have some of those AquaticLife 420/620's on the way too. I found the SPD at their website and I wasnt too impressed, looks more like a 610nm spike which wont be as effective as if it actually was 620, let alone 630-660nm which it shoulda been.




I have a theory that these may actually be the 12k tubes you ordered, Kelvin temperatures are for describing incandescent/black body radiators, not fluoros. Giving the NM measurements are a more accurate way to describe a bulbs hue. These are a new product for AquaticLife (Ive never seen em before 2012) so it'd make sense to market them with their NM's over K temps. They may be the same tubes that would give an approx 12k hue, just renamed. Thats what my brains thinkin anyway

No no I was positive. UVL 12000k super actinic. From dr fosters. ...



But wouldnt this be a Perfect blend all around?
it is bassically the par curve.

ValleGrown said:

No no I was positive. UVL 12000k super actinic. From dr fosters. ...



But wouldnt this be a Perfect blend all around?
it is bassically the par curve.

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They probably ran out of that bulb and shipped you an equivalent. Hoped maybe you'd be just as happy.

Undercover Cop said:

The IR in CoralWaves is out of the PAR curve, they are essentially Actinic BlueWave bulbs with IR that wont be utilized. When used in Veg, if they dont induce flowering, you can count on them being a good chunk less effective than a BlueWave. 760 is out of the PAR curve so its being wasted in Veg, IR is used in a PAR spectrum to induce and enhance flowering... BlueWaves are a dual phosphor blend covering 03 actinic as well as 460, so it will provide all the PAR blue you need, FloraSuns will provide all the PAR red (630-660)
The IR from the CoralWaves wont be utilized in Veg, save em for flower.
If used, they'll still grow, they're just not putting out as much blue as efficiently as a pure blue BlueWave or other 420-460Actinic (I like AquaticLife's 420/460 also) since whatever % of their output that is used to create that IR spike is being wasted. You'll get results, but you want the most efficient means to it

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this is why i got the coral growth tube for veg are you guys using 18/6? this would cause flowering with the coral enhancement because of the far reds. these bulbs are best used in a 24 hours setup where during the the six hours of dark these would be lit up. so for those six hours the plants "pretend to sleep" its great for veg i had been doing this with hps and halide with great results but i felt i wasnt getting the deep sleep thats why switched to t5 in my veg(plus energy savings and better spectrum for a vegging plant). 24/0 with a six pretend sleep of red lighting, this has been a major boost in my lighting techniques since i started though i would share this with you guy. it has a lot to do with hormones and what not, but definitely can cause flowering if lights aren't kept on 24/0, had this happening with plants under HID

i also use this method in flower hps come on and goes off an hour earlier and an hour later. plus the T5 light i bought has 2 plugs for 2 sets of bulbs really good buy for 50$...

I ordered two more 650nm's for safe keeping.

pet mtn sold out of 12000k 46" wave point

ValleGrown said:

I ordered two more 650nm's for safe keeping.

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Where from?

30 bucks with shipping from aquariumguys.com

11 dollars a bulb

polyarcturus said:

this is why i got the coral growth tube for veg are you guys using 18/6? this would cause flowering with the coral enhancement because of the far reds. these bulbs are best used in a 24 hours setup where during the the six hours of dark these would be lit up. so for those six hours the plants "pretend to sleep" its great for veg i had been doing this with hps and halide with great results but i felt i wasnt getting the deep sleep thats why switched to t5 in my veg(plus energy savings and better spectrum for a vegging plant). 24/0 with a six pretend sleep of red lighting, this has been a major boost in my lighting techniques since i started though i would share this with you guy. it has a lot to do with hormones and what not, but definitely can cause flowering if lights aren't kept on 24/0, had this happening with plants under HID

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im totally lost, you can just keep your lights on bull blast 24/0 if you want. The point is that IR will confuse your plants into thinking its time to start flower. so when you want it to be thinking of nothing but growing big and tall and bushy, the IR you're giving her wil make her say "huh, hold up? should I be flowering now?" and she wont grow as vigorously, but since she's not on 12/12 she wont be able to fully switch into fruiting, so she'll drudge along, maybe growing a little, maybe put out a few more pre-flowers, but wont be growing as if under optimal condiitons. Or she may thrive due to light from other tubes and the PAR blue from them, but the point is that IR is a signal of Autumn and a trigger for flowering. Im still confused why you want to use them during veg??
pretend sleep? just cuz these appear kinda dim by themselves, to OUR eyes, they are gonna appear bright as hell to the plants who "see" outside of our optic limits... remember we see green brightest, they see blue and true red brightest. The blue in the CoralWaves will appear like high noon to you girls.

polyarcturus said:

pet mtn sold out of 12000k 46" wave point

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Those 12000k's have more green than the 6500k's, and neither have any viable PAR red (620-700) why would you use either???? The PAR blue you would get in those tubes would be provided much more efficiently by the pure blue BlueWaves.



until the UltraGrowth comes out, Wavepoint does not make a bulb that provides any PAR Red, they are only good for their Blues in Veg, and the Blue+IR in Flower along with other tubes that provide the PAR Red.