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SmokeyMcSmokester said:

haha..i actually got those LEDs for $1100 a piece..i have 6 total. my buddy doesnt have a light, so i let him use them on his grow..i get an oz a light

he tried using them a few grows ago, and he only had one light above the system..it didnt seem to do the trick..he had some other issues with the grow, and didnt complete the grow..then i was gonna use three panels over a 60site aeroflo, ran into some problems, and had to scratch the grow...this will be the first full ive personally seen with these lights..i have a friend in LA who uses these in conjunction with a 600W HPS, and he gets incredible results...

he doesnt have a journal..i'll update his process in my journal in my sig.

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Cool! I'll definately check in. How high above the plants are the lights hanging? Is that a 4x4 area? I think the 36 aero is 3x3 but guessing that the scrog kinda extends that. He running co2?

dunit said:

I hear ya. As long as there's an appropriate increase in yield a more expensive light can pay for itself pretty quick and I'm fine with that. The big issue is outrageous claims with no provability. Have you done some searches to see if anyone else is running this light and how they are making out? Someone always has to take the plunge on a new product, but if someone has already done that it might give you a better idea if you are laying out big bucks for a good reason. If the actual draw is 280W then you have a fighting chance of big yield with decent LED's. Sounds like that's how this seller rates things so you could be on the right track.

Good luck and obvioulsy keep us posted

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I dont think he has been selling that long but he sure seems to know his stuff, everything else he has told me he hasnt made stupid claims so im hoping this light will be worth the money. Like you say if i get more of an increase yeild wise it will pay for itself in not time and ill only be running 280 watts

He is setting up a website and producing on a larger scale shortly i think but he says quality will remain the same. He is hoping if i do well out of this light and people see that in my journal he will get some business so really he would be stupid to make claims to outrageous because people wont take him at his word if it doesnt live up to his hype.

As i say i would be happy with 1.5g per watt but he says especially now with these new led's i should do better than that.

BudBaby said:

I dont think he has been selling that long but he sure seems to know his stuff, everything else he has told me he hasnt made stupid claims so im hoping this light will be worth the money. Like you say if i get more of an increase yeild wise it will pay for itself in not time and ill only be running 280 watts

He is setting up a website and producing on a larger scale shortly i think but he says quality will remain the same. He is hoping if i do well out of this light and people see that in my journal he will get some business so really he would be stupid to make claims to outrageous because people wont take him at his word if it doesnt live up to his hype.

As i say i would be happy with 1.5g per watt but he says especially now with these new led's i should do better than that.

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Just an idea.....as though you are the first one to be testing the waters.....make sure you get a smokin deal! If they are as good as he claims, you will generate a ton of business for him. Look at what IrishBoy has done for GLH. He's pretty much their whole marketing department now.....lol

BudBaby said:

Yes thats the guy dude, Originally my 280 watt light he said should replace a 800 watt MH or get within 10% of that anyway. His LED suppliers though have launched a new LED which is alot brighter than the orinignal ones so im waiting for these which he now says will equal 1000 watt MH.

All i know is that so far everything he has said makes sense and he doesnt seem like a bullshitter to me. If i can get 2g per watt(yes i know thats alot)thats 20 oz or 560g which in my mind would be as good as a 1000 watt. As i say only time will tell but if you can match a 400 watt with 120 watts of actual output i dont see how i cant match a 1000 watt with 280. Especially seeing as how this light is very expensive and only uses the most expensive LED's.

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No offense but I just can't see how something that is compared to Metal Halide will produce anything over a gram per watt... I really do hope you have great results as I am still researching which way I'm going to go this summer when I make the switch to LED. Irishboy only recommends his lights but Blackstar seems to have some pretty good results as well.

bajafox said:

No offense but I just can't see how something that is compared to Metal Halide will produce anything over a gram per watt... I really do hope you have great results as I am still researching which way I'm going to go this summer when I make the switch to LED. Irishboy only recommends his lights but Blackstar seems to have some pretty good results as well.

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Day 19 of veg running 6 x 170w ISIS-1 panels... Last grow yielded 27oz 6g off of 5 x 170w ISIS-1 (850w), I'm shooting for 40+ zips this go around! Total power this go around is 1020w. Running co2 in a sealed enviornment growing 25 Afgani Kush.

How much space are you using? If you reach your goal that's close to an ounce and a half per plant right? I have 3 plants in 3 gallon pots that should easily pull close to 2 ounces each next month under 600w hps but my goal is to get to 3 ounces out of every smart pot.

I'm hoping to hit that mark before summer so I can then compare it to my LED summer grow (fingers crossed)

The only thing keeping me away from LED right now is the start up cost, I don't want to use cheap LED's but at the same time I can't afford to put 720w of LEDs like Irishboy has

I have other LEDS, but from this point on all I will get is Kessil. They are a business division of Dicon Fiberoptics. Dicon Fiberoptics have been making quality specified LEDS to be used on everything from microscope lighting, stage and cannons to illuminate skyscrapers. Plus they have their veg and flower spectrum separated or the choice of full cycle. How important is this?? I think it's really important because blue specified CFLS during veg and red CFLS for flowering have already proven to boost flowering. The change of spectrum has everything to do with the rate at which a plant is able to flower. If you veg under all blue the photosynthesis reactions sites get used to only blue so when you switch to magenta it reacts (flowers) faster and harder with the 12/12 switch. I read a call somewhere for an all kessil grow so I will set up two identical chambers one with (2)full cycle purple kessils and the other starting with (2) all blue and move to (2) magenta to see if there's any difference between the two.

660nm420 said:

I have other LEDS, but from this point on all I will get is Kessil. They are a business division of Dicon Fiberoptics. Dicon Fiberoptics have been making quality specified LEDS to be used on everything from microscope lighting, stage and cannons to illuminate skyscrapers. Plus they have their veg and flower spectrum separated or the choice of full cycle. How important is this?? I think it's really important because blue specified CFLS during veg and red CFLS for flowering have already proven to boost flowering. The change of spectrum has everything to do with the rate at which a plant is able to flower. If you veg under all blue the photosynthesis reactions sites get used to only blue so when you switch to magenta it reacts (flowers) faster and harder with the 12/12 switch. I read a call somewhere for an all kessil grow so I will set up two identical chambers one with (2)full cycle purple kessils and the other starting with (2) all blue and move to (2) magenta to see if there's any difference between the two.

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Is it just me or does this read like a company advertisement? I'm sorry, the "They are a business division of Dicon Fiberoptics. Dicon Fiberoptics have been making quality specified LEDS to be used ..." makes it sound like you are a pitchman

bajafox said:

How much space are you using? If you reach your goal that's close to an ounce and a half per plant right? I have 3 plants in 3 gallon pots that should easily pull close to 2 ounces each next month under 600w hps but my goal is to get to 3 ounces out of every smart pot.

I'm hoping to hit that mark before summer so I can then compare it to my LED summer grow (fingers crossed)

The only thing keeping me away from LED right now is the start up cost, I don't want to use cheap LED's but at the same time I can't afford to put 720w of LEDs like Irishboy has

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I am growing in a really confined gable end. The actual grow space is about 15' long x 4' wide x 3.5' high. The first grow I only grew them to 12" and was running 2 gallon pots, this time around I am running 3.5 gallon pots and I am going to grow them to a finished height of 20" - 23". Anything over 1.5 zip per will be awesome. I am shooting for 1.4g per watt which would put me at 51 zips but anything over 40 zips will be impressive.

Oh, I forgot to add that I am into my lights for just over $2k for 6 of them which isnt bad considering what they are producing and saving me in electricity and heat problems.

The Blackstar 240 flower runs 3W crees with 60 degree angle. I'm going to add mine to the cab tomorrow- just got al the extra hanging hardware and going to keep the two 90 w UFos on side to cross light. Under the UFos with the 1 23W 6500K CFL for increased heat, mine are taking off now that nutes under control. The one carm looks like something from Jurassic park- fat stem, huge sugar leaves..fat n bushy. Going to take clones before the switch. ALso moving from 24 hr veg to 18/6 for a week or two before making flip to 12/12. The the two non- topped widow fems just started growing like crazy with the nutes now at 550ppm and fans actually blowing in. Also had to replace fogger disk already in rez- shot after only three weeks. The topped widow is showing 4 main heads now ( clones from it doing well) and the runt widow is branching out. Will post pics of the new lighting set up on Monday after its up and running.

bajafox said:

No offense but I just can't see how something that is compared to Metal Halide will produce anything over a gram per watt... I really do hope you have great results as I am still researching which way I'm going to go this summer when I make the switch to LED. Irishboy only recommends his lights but Blackstar seems to have some pretty good results as well.

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In his latest grow journal Irishboy made the comment to only believe results and that probably sums it up. Manufacturers can claim whatever they want and people in advertising are really good at telling you what you want to hear. Social Media (forums are included in this) are full of clandstine advertisers claiming results but not posting any proof. It's completed journals that should be the proof. I know I've wasted hours and hours following journals that go no where and it's frustrating which is why I ended up buying an untested light after many hours of research. It's going great so far but until I cut down and weigh in....it doesn't mean much.

The only completed journals that I have found, other than very small ones just to grow some hobby smoke, that didn't have problems and were an honest assesment of the lights, were run by Irishboy, Setting Sun and LedBudGuy.

If anyone has a link to a completed grow journal or blog for a run with Hydroponics Hut, Kessil, Blackstar or Stealth Grow please post it. If anyone has a grow going with these lights please start a journal if it is safe to do so, so we can all learn.

Cheers

ive started an LED grow ... you can follow what i got rockin if youd like
https://www.rollitup.org/indoor-growing/404584-indoor-led-grow-2011-a.html

ledbudguy said:

Is it just me or does this read like a company advertisement? I'm sorry, the "They are a business division of Dicon Fiberoptics. Dicon Fiberoptics have been making quality specified LEDS to be used ..." makes it sound like you are a pitchman

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Alright dude I wish I worked for Kessil but sadly, nope. Haha guess I might have a chance though if it sounded like a sales pitch. lol I research products before I spend my hard earned $. I have taken some technical writing classes so thank you, I like that I am able to come off as somewhat professional in my writing but my point was that this is the only company i have found that works with the LED makers hands on to develop the LEDs to be used in their products. In all of my consumer choices I prefer integrated products and that's the point I was trying to make. Dicon LEDs are used in highly specialized devices. Kessil is a division of that US company and so they don't have to rely upon just any LEDs or boxes of auto LEDs or other types of LEDs to be used on their grow lights. Dicon has a HUGE R n D budget compared to the cheaply made Chinese panels that vary somewhat but not much. I have ( cheap blue PAR 35 15 w LEDs that do wonders at vegging and a 126w Hydrogrow penatrator and just picked up a used 300w Growl panel. The brightness of the Kessils at only 35w is incredible and they achieve this because of the professional quality of Dicon Fiberoptics and the integrated aspect of their manufacturing meaning that the LEDS used by Kessil are manufactured by Dicon Fiberoptics to be used exclusively in Kessils products so when they are designing their light systems they only need to go around the corner to speak to their LED manufacture instead of learning Mandarin and calling China. Tell kessil I sound like a pitchman though because I would love to be a pitchman for them.

I am seriously just some guy that started reading this thread and was easily convinced all the bullshit LED haters are just growers who jack their power and the last thing they want to do if they steal their power is buy expensive light systems, so they want to spread misinformation about LEDs so people don't see them as just extremely wasteful. I'm a medical user that grows legit in So cal and need a way to curb insane power bills. I really wish I would have seen these Kessils before I bought my panels because as someone pointed out the problem with the Kessils are they are so bright that they have to be pulled back further than the panels which then casts a shadow of the panels. We all know LEDS kick ass, but now this company is doing with 35w what others companies use at least 90w on a ufo. Kessils are where it's at!! I have my set up going already with the 126w panel and 2 kessil purples over 11 plants 5 sour d and 6 cotton candy kush. I just transplanted Friday so soon I will have pics.

it did sound like a pitch but.. hey! they do have a good product and I am currently using the purple H150 light(s) I would say positive things so far

Michael Sparks said:

it did sound like a pitch but.. hey! they do have a good product and I am currently using the purple H150 light(s) I would say positive things so far

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I think there's two levels of quality LEDS. Stealthgrow and Kessil at the pro level and all the other ones that proved LEDS work. I have NOTHING against the panels. Just think about it, LED users have seen that you can do the same if not more with less wattage so why would LED users settle for LEDS that use more wattage than to produce light than whats needed? Small growers should stick to the cheaper Blackstar panels for sure but I think if your goal is to replace 2-4 1000w HPS the only way to go is Kessil. I have cash to throw at this and heard the call for an all Kessil grow and want to be as helpful as I am productive. There is no better R and D than a good quality grow. If you ask me LED growers need to be paired up with these companies to get free lights to test and write up some solid reviews. That's why I'm REALLY digging this thread.

660nm420 said:

I think there's two levels of quality LEDS. Stealthgrow and Kessil at the pro level and all the other ones that proved LEDS work. I have NOTHING against the panels. Just think about it, LED users have seen that you can do the same if not more with less wattage so why would LED users settle for LEDS that use more wattage than to produce light than whats needed? Small growers should stick to the cheaper Blackstar panels for sure but I think if your goal is to replace 2-4 1000w HPS the only way to go is Kessil. I have cash to throw at this and heard the call for an all Kessil grow and want to be as helpful as I am productive. There is no better R and D than a good quality grow. If you ask me LED growers need to be paired up with these companies to get free lights to test and write up some solid reviews. That's why I'm REALLY digging this thread.

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I'm down with free product for results... I've already proved that the ISIS-1 works like a mofo!

I have just spoken to the ebay guy who is making my light and he said this regarding a 280 watt led vs 600+ MH, i thought it may be on interest,

A 400 watt MH puts out 140 PAR (photosynthetically active radiation) watts, and a 600 MH puts out 210. Thats how much of the energy consumed by the light gets turned into light the plant can use. This means that if you have a light source WHICH HAS THE SAME EFFICIENCY AS A MH and puts out all its light at wavelengths the plant can use, it will match the MH light even though it is using less power. The extra energy is wated in the form of heat, UV (which is filtered by the glass in the light) heat and IR. It has taken until recently for the efficiency of leds to equal that of a MH light. HID (high intensity discharge) light are actually very efficient compared to other light sources, which is why they are used in things like street lighting.
So it is entirely possible for a 210 watt light to match a 600 watt MH PROVIDED it is as efficient and produces only light which the plant can use. Leds have been improving slowly, with manufacturers typicall upgrading their specs about every 6 months. Untill recently the brightes standard red was the (Philips Lumileds) Luxeon Rebel. Cree didnt make a colored range of leds except in the rather feeble MC-E range. They did produce good blues, but not reds. They produce blues because white leds are actually blue ones with a downshift phosphor to produce white light! This has now changed with the release of the new XP-E range. Suddenly led output has jumped 50% in one go! At this level of efficiency leds are now more efficient than a MH light. This means that a 280 watt light CAN beat a 600 watt MH. This guy here http://www.ledgrow.eu/ recently achieved 1.5 grams per watt using Cree XP-E leds. If he had added 660nm leds he would have got more.

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Day 19 of veg running 6 x 170w ISIS-1 panels... Last grow yielded 27oz 6g off of 5 x 170w ISIS-1 (850w), I'm shooting for 40+ zips this go around! Total power this go around is 1020w. Running co2 in a sealed enviornment growing 25 Afgani Kush.

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lower those lights a bit.

After watching this video I wanna send some these Kessils to my mom in a freezing part of our country to grow her own veggies indoors! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR_2yd-Pt8U&feature=related