TshirtNinja
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wow its nice to see hid members get all butthurt in a thread that isn't about them in the slightest..... let the nay sayers nay all they want.
Led Users Unite!
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SmokeyMcSmokester
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its funny most of the LED haters are just pissed they cant afford the cool new technology, and have never used or seen an LED panel in real life...
bajafox
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The page didn't load for me, anywhere else I can see the Spectra 240s or the actual price?No Irishboy is going for multiple 180/(2011 240w) units he doesn't use the 300s anymore (and the new 2011 300 model is actually 395w I believe) here look at this link for the new 2011 models, Mike talks about the new models a bit too
Dang 420magazine is loading sooo slow this morning
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/journals-progress/132192-irish-boys-480w-720w-grow-led-hydro-land-clovers-49.html
www.growledhydro.com is a bit out of date except for the new pricing (more expensive because of the better hardware and failsafe tech), if you want the correct model specs you gotta check that link right above me (he said the site will be updated soon)
A similar set up to his would cost you $1100 or less depending on if you get a discount or not (you might get one for saying you are buying because of irishboy)
Go with whatever brand/cost will work for you best
Myself I am going for a 2011 240w Spectra or a 2011 395w Spectra for my 2.5ft x 2.5ft x 6ft tent (I was going to get two 240w but decided it was a bit over kill, should be perfect for your 4x4 space though)
I'm leaning more and more towards the Blackstar 600w, it just seems that for the price it's hard to beat. I think irishboy is on a whole nother level with LED's and I am not planning to mimic his results, I simply want to get through this summer without having to pay out my ass in electric bills for the HID and AC and have been considering the switch to LED for a while now.
Thanks everyone for all the input, I hope to pull the trigger on my first LED panel soon and plan to use it as supplemental for my HID until I can make the full switch.
ledbudguy
New Member
I just posted this in another thread...
Originally Posted by medicine21 
I think you are being realistic and conservative with those numbers and I do wish you luck to hit them.
I have now got 2 sets of numbers one from 357Mag guys and the other from the parent company, who also BTW recommended 3 Mags to cover a 4x8' table over the ISIS lights. They both claim 1.4 g/W in their grows, however the parent company specified that those numbers are arrived at using 357W, NOT 180W. To be explicit, the actual claimed manufacturer numbers are 1.4g per 357W. So all else being equal (and perfect), which it never is of course, the high end estimate for a single Mag is 500g or about 1lb per light.
I'd agree with that based on the number that I personally pulled using the isis1's. In my first LED grow I got 27 oz's and 6g's so just shy of a gram per watt for the 850w I was running (and I'm an LED noob). I'm not sure what the actual draw is on the lights I never checked that out. When you take into consideration that my plants were around 12" tall on average the haul is actually pretty amazing. I am sure that in my current grow I will mow down 40+ oz's running 1020w 6 x 170w. If I get the 1.4 oz's per watt I will shit my pants! Who knows though, this is only my 2nd go at it with led and I'm sold.
I think that they may be wrong in telling you to go with 357 fixtures. I would go with the isis-fx1 simply because you get 2 fixtures with the same power diodes in flower nm's for the price of one 357. I can tell you no shit from experience that the more of these fixtures you have the better, same as the 3 600w is better than 2 1000w in HID rule. There is some scientific shit happening to the plants in between my fixtures as they are growing way faster than the plants directly below the lights. Say you ran 10 of the 170's over your table (i'm assuming that you are running around 20" - 24" plants), divide the table in 2' x 8' sections for spacing and run one fixture on center width ways every 1.6 feet, I'm sure you would kill the production of running 3 1000's on that same table at the pound per light rule. Now if the actual draw is half like you read on rui the numbers are un-fucking-real!!! My current grow I have doubled everything, plants will finish at 23" pots are up from 2 gal to 3.5 gal and I'm running co2 through the entire grow and regulating the humidity now at 40%. Based on what I know about growing I could effectively double my output if everything goes as planned. If that happens and I pull down 54 oz's I am buying stock in the company! I'd wait it out before you decide and see what happens based on my current grow unless your in a rush then i'd highly reccommend going with multiple fx-1s or similar. Well, that's my 2 cents on this. Fuck if my boss knew how much time i spend on this website i'd be standing in the unemployment line right now typing this response from my droid
I think you are being realistic and conservative with those numbers and I do wish you luck to hit them.
I have now got 2 sets of numbers one from 357Mag guys and the other from the parent company, who also BTW recommended 3 Mags to cover a 4x8' table over the ISIS lights. They both claim 1.4 g/W in their grows, however the parent company specified that those numbers are arrived at using 357W, NOT 180W. To be explicit, the actual claimed manufacturer numbers are 1.4g per 357W. So all else being equal (and perfect), which it never is of course, the high end estimate for a single Mag is 500g or about 1lb per light.
I'd agree with that based on the number that I personally pulled using the isis1's. In my first LED grow I got 27 oz's and 6g's so just shy of a gram per watt for the 850w I was running (and I'm an LED noob). I'm not sure what the actual draw is on the lights I never checked that out. When you take into consideration that my plants were around 12" tall on average the haul is actually pretty amazing. I am sure that in my current grow I will mow down 40+ oz's running 1020w 6 x 170w. If I get the 1.4 oz's per watt I will shit my pants! Who knows though, this is only my 2nd go at it with led and I'm sold.
I think that they may be wrong in telling you to go with 357 fixtures. I would go with the isis-fx1 simply because you get 2 fixtures with the same power diodes in flower nm's for the price of one 357. I can tell you no shit from experience that the more of these fixtures you have the better, same as the 3 600w is better than 2 1000w in HID rule. There is some scientific shit happening to the plants in between my fixtures as they are growing way faster than the plants directly below the lights. Say you ran 10 of the 170's over your table (i'm assuming that you are running around 20" - 24" plants), divide the table in 2' x 8' sections for spacing and run one fixture on center width ways every 1.6 feet, I'm sure you would kill the production of running 3 1000's on that same table at the pound per light rule. Now if the actual draw is half like you read on rui the numbers are un-fucking-real!!! My current grow I have doubled everything, plants will finish at 23" pots are up from 2 gal to 3.5 gal and I'm running co2 through the entire grow and regulating the humidity now at 40%. Based on what I know about growing I could effectively double my output if everything goes as planned. If that happens and I pull down 54 oz's I am buying stock in the company! I'd wait it out before you decide and see what happens based on my current grow unless your in a rush then i'd highly reccommend going with multiple fx-1s or similar. Well, that's my 2 cents on this. Fuck if my boss knew how much time i spend on this website i'd be standing in the unemployment line right now typing this response from my droid
surgedup
Active Member
just want your guys input I know ledbudguy suggested the ISIS FX1 but just a little to much money right now lookin for something 250 and below....
Cereall
Well-Known Member
sorry surgedup but you seem to get what you pay for...
blackstar 240w is def. within your price range, im sure you can get that shipped for around 225$
Otherwise, no real quality named company offers price that low other than some garbage on eBay or Amazon. -I shouldnt say garbage, but just not so well known of a name-
blackstar 240w is def. within your price range, im sure you can get that shipped for around 225$
Otherwise, no real quality named company offers price that low other than some garbage on eBay or Amazon. -I shouldnt say garbage, but just not so well known of a name-
I'm not sure but from reading the irishboy threads when Mike from www.growledhydro.com was talking about lens angles once and how if they are too wide you get no penetration but the wavelengths of light mix together better, and if you make the angles too small then they don't mix well enough (or something like that). Maybe that has something to do with it?
420magazine is loading really slow today for some reason. Here is the link again for anyone who is interested in the new line of www.growledhydro.com Spectra LED 2011 edition. The pricing is correct on the website but in general the website is out of date (should be redone Mike said when the test results come back from the Light Lab he sent the new lights to) New models are a 180w total draw model for 389.99, a 240w total draw light for 599.99, and a total draw 395w for 1,099. irishboy sounds like he plans on rocking only the 240w units and having 2-4 of them, I agree with him in that if you have the space you should go for multiple smaller watt panels instead of the larger watt panels (unless you are like me and only have room for one light (not sure if I'm getting a 240w or a 395w yet, probably a 395)
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/journals-progress/132192-irish-boys-480w-720w-grow-led-hydro-land-clovers-49.html
I've only gotten it to load once today, they must be having some issues or fixing up their survers
These Spectra lights are a bit expensive compared to some and cheaper compared to others. But they do have some cool features that I'm not sure most other LED lights have. Such as finned heat sinks, failsafe tech so that if an LED light fails the whole row/column doesn't go out and its supposedly easy to replace that one bad light, no PCB board between the LEDs and the heat sink (more efficient heat transfer), and a detachable power cord (which I guess is nice?) ((except for the finned heat sink I believe these are only features of the 2011 spectras and not the older models). And if anyone cares I believe all the LED lights are 2w LEDs with a 90 degree lense (Mike grows his own medicine and says he found 90 degrees was the perfect balance between penetration and coverage/lightspreadblendingwhatever)
PS: Can anyone confirm what companies LEDs have any of those features (besides LED wattage and lens angle)? I've heard some good ones have fins but I've never heard of any brand having the other features (of course not having them makes the light cheaper which could be worth it).
Yeah I figured it wouldn't take long to find another company that did fin the heat sinks (maybe its just the crappy LEDs that don't?), but I'm surprised anyone else is doing the power cord thing. Not because I think the Spectra is superior I'm just surprised anyone is doing that. Most expensive appliances/machines don't seem to do that. The only thing I can think of at the moment that does are computers.
Hey guys 420mag seems to be working again if anyone wants to check out these 2011 Spectra lights
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/journals-progress/132192-irish-boys-480w-720w-grow-led-hydro-land-clovers-49.html
http://www.420magazine.com/forums/journals-progress/132192-irish-boys-480w-720w-grow-led-hydro-land-clovers-49.html
TshirtNinja
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so i am going to call gotham tomorrow to buy 2 240w panels. i set up my exhaust and its put up pretty damn pro if i do say so myself. tell me what you think of the new setup.
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surgedup
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Yeah I hear ya cereall I was just wondering though I was thinking about the kessils I can get one shipped to me for about 228 tax and all I know the 240w blackstar is good but isnt a kessil better ??? suppose to be each light comparable to a 150w hps
surgedup
Active Member
I already got a 300w chinese panel some dude paid 530 bucks off ebay for it I got it for 200 bucks ...... shame I would have bought a blackstar or kessil if I knew about them than. Than I bought a 240w flowering Blackstar.. now I have enough money to buy either 2 Kessils or 2 Blackstars... im in a 3x4 area so trying to get huge penetration and concentration in that area...
Hi, there, I am a relative newbie using HPS. I am thinking about going big, using two rooms to grow, and was interested in LEDs. Does anyone have any thoughts about the best way to light up two rooms, each measuring roughly 11 feet by 11 feet? I was thinking of getting a total of six Sunshine Systems GroPanel Pros. Does anyone have any experience with this model? Are there models you would recommend to cover these areas better? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
surgedup
Active Member
man thats a pretty big area to light I figure you would need a bunch of LED's man and a pretty big wallet ...
surgedup
Active Member
Well I just started using LED's I got rid of my single 600w hps setup to try my luck with LED's. From what it seems right now my veg growth is amazing compared to my 250w Metal Halide. I plan on buying either 2 kessils in a week or 2 more 240w blackstar's. Like I said this is my first dive into LED's and will be giving my own little updates on how it goes. Some of the guys here have already had 1 or 2 grows in with LED's with incredible results !!! im pretty sure they would be more able to answer your questions on the amount of LED's you need to cover that amount of space and some great LED's to reccomend to you !!! good luck man hope it all works out !!!
SouthernWon
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A pic of my 50W UFO LED (8:1 RED/BLUE Spectrum) setup:
