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workin on that project very soon sir. A friend is putting together a lab once it's ready i will be. I was going to save the pollen from this male pk i had but it came from bag seed. It was a BEAST noded out like a mofo but i just didnt feel comfortable playin with it even though it showed good characteristics because i dont know how varied its gene pool is and my friend who was playin with a fem batch he produced by accident through a hermie gave me the original plant that the male had come from seed from. So that is why im lookin for more stable strains from more reputable breeders who been around for a LONG time. Like some skunk 1 from sensi or nl5/haze or straight nl5. Some good solid breeding strains to play with first, not something that has been crossed 8 bajillion times with knock off versions. I just dont need a lot of varying phenos coming out.

Viagro said:

I just ordered through Herbie's pick and mix site. They have a good selection, are stealthy and don't charge an arm and a leg for postage.

Ben Alexander tried them and rated them A++. So, I gave it a whirl. I like worldwide, as well. I don't get all the fees The Attitude tacks on, plus they sent me some tiny, tiny seeds the first time I tried them.

Do you ever produce your own seeds, Kapt?

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Grumpy Old Dreamer said:

The Kessil H150 Red is a booster light for when you need that extra flowering power - best go with a Magenta for flowering or a Purple for all round growing.

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Does anyone know, roughly what kind of dry yield one can expect flowering 1 plant under a magenta Kessil H150? Does anyone know of any grow journals on any website where the flowering stage was conducted with a Kessil light?

RoloTomassi said:

Does anyone know, roughly what kind of dry yield one can expect flowering 1 plant under a magenta Kessil H150? Does anyone know of any grow journals on any website where the flowering stage was conducted with a Kessil light?

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I'm a 10 days into flowering of my 1st grow with a Kessil magenta. I've used it from the start and things are going very well. I never think in terms of yield, just healthy grows, and this looks to be a good one. So far, so good. I'm amazed.

Viagro said:

I'm a 10 days into flowering of my 1st grow with a Kessil magenta. I've used it from the start and things are going very well. I never think in terms of yield, just healthy grows, and this looks to be a good one. So far, so good. I'm amazed.

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any pics of the girls?

budlover909 said:

any pics of the girls?

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Sorry. Santy didn't bring me the camera I wanted. I've been bad.

Viagro said:

Sorry. Santy didn't bring me the camera I wanted. I've been bad.

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u might be lucky i could have a spare one i dont use anymore, and i have not done any RAOK this year so now might be a good time. maybe 6 megapix but good lens so good picture. i would have to check my storage (aka mom's storage) when I have a chance tomorrow.

keep your fingers crossed, you might get a present!

Viagro said:

The problem is that Kessils have such an intense light stream they need to be at least a foot above plants to keep from bleaching them. You need some head room. Otherwise a 3 plant sog would be easily accommodated.

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Thanks Viagro, I hope to build or buy a cabinet big enough to convert into a 3/4 plant grow space. So I'll take your head room info on board. I'm new to growing and like the idea of using the latest technology, and that you can use the light to veg and flower. Plus the lack of heat makes the light seem perfect for me. Needless to say, I'm very interested in your results

Viagro said:

I'm a 10 days into flowering of my 1st grow with a Kessil magenta. I've used it from the start and things are going very well. I never think in terms of yield, just healthy grows, and this looks to be a good one. So far, so good. I'm amazed.

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Good luck - hope it goes well. Any updates or pics would be appreciated! As would any tips on using the kessil.

Griffta said:

Thanks Viagro, I hope to build or buy a cabinet big enough to convert into a 3/4 plant grow space. So I'll take your head room info on board. I'm new to growing and like the idea of using the latest technology, and that you can use the light to veg and flower. Plus the lack of heat makes the light seem perfect for me. Needless to say, I'm very interested in your results

Good luck - hope it goes well. Any updates or pics would be appreciated! As would any tips on using the kessil.

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You're welcome, Griffta. I'm learning from this as I go along, too. One thing I would suggest is that you consider augmenting the veg stage with a blue GrowSpot bulb, or (God forbid) a cool white cfl. Vegging went well enough with the Kessil magenta alone, but I think a little more on the blue end would've grabbed another gear.

I don't think you'll be disappointed with this approach, however you configure it. You will not believe what 30w of light can do when it is delivered by this platform.

Sorry I can't show you my little grow, but I'm not a fan of digital photography, and I haven't had enough desire to show off my stuff to dig out my old school equipment. Maybe I will at some point. I just looked at my little garden and it is taking off. Given the warnings of adding nutes to autos, I was slow to give the bud stage any fuel. Two days ago I gave it a taste of organic goodies and it is zooming. Bud sites everywhere.

Good luck.

...was at a hydro store on christmas eve looking at tents, work gave out a surprising little bonus =) so i ask the guy if they have ever sold leds, he starts going on about how they suck etc., i ask if he's ever heard of a kessil, he says he has one, a 150 magenta, and he's been very disappointed with it, of course at the hydro shop we don't go into any details or specifics or show pics etc., i wonder if he's full of it or not hmmmm...

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...was at a hydro store on christmas eve looking at tents, work gave out a surprising little bonus =) so i ask the guy if they have ever sold leds, he starts going on about how they suck etc., i ask if he's ever heard of a kessil, he says he has one, a 150 magenta, and he's been very disappointed with it, of course at the hydro shop we don't go into any details or specifics or show pics etc., i wonder if he's full of it or not hmmmm...

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That certainly surprises me. I wonder why? Maybe he let it get too close? I learned the hard way, but I'm sure sold on them.

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That certainly surprises me. I wonder why? Maybe he let it get too close? I learned the hard way, but I'm sure sold on them.

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36watts is 36watts tho wonder what a $300 36w kesil would do against a $245 90w ufo

people are dumb i bet he never even opened the box and used it. I ask every dro store i go to about LED and you know what they say THEY SUCK EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF EM.... LIARS!!!!! Those guys have never used a decent LED panel much less seen one in their entire life and the ones they have seen are mostly first gen LED panels that were like 2k and didnt even match a 400w or so they say. I know for a FUCKING FACT that my blackstar absofuckinglutely blows away any 400w you want to compare it to EXCEPT MAYBE CMH but i have not run it against a CMH to test it the CMH bulb i have run before was a 250w. The 400w CMH bulbs are amazing from what i have seen around here on the forums and heard tell, but i will stick with my LED panel thank you. Feel free to tell any hydro store owner that tells you LED SUCK that they can stick it where the sun dont shine. Im about to do a tomatoe grow at my house if i can convince my mother to let me have plants in the house and throw my LED on it and go show it to the hydro stores just to shut them the fuck up. Sorry guys little bit of a sore spot with me. Misinformation about lights from a hydro store drives me NUTS, its their job to be unbiased and do research to offer ALL the best hydro products for us to use for whatever we so choose ( i know its life, people dont always follow the best business practices it just frustrates me because i am the customer and not rakin in the bucks bein the owner lol). But instead you go in there and they try and push HPS lights off on people like no tomorrow when you could just as easily be using induction or LED but they dont want to talk about those options too new tech for them. Where the fuck is a cutting edge hydro store when you need one....

Im sure not all hydro stores are like this but the ones in my neck of the woods are and its extremely frustrating, at the same time they do know what they are talking about just when it comes to lights they are really really in the stone age opinion and fact wise.

LED>HPS/MH anyday


*gets off soap box*

budlover909 said:

36watts is 36watts tho wonder what a $300 36w kesil would do against a $245 90w ufo

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And remember, 6w of that is for the fan, but it's comparing apples to oranges. Kessil tech is very different.

I obviously agree with KaptK, if in slightly less strident terms...

And Kessils are $240 at Greners.

This grow is a mix of seedlings, none feminized. Will be going with 3 Riot Seed strains, Motarebel Dirty Harry, and Green Crack x Mango Kush. The Riot strains are Sid Vicious, Stormy Russian Blue and Riot Sweet OG. All are listed as 9 week strains.

Lights are 2 Blackstar 240 W vegg/clone model and 1 300W Panel that is 7:1:1 Red Blue Orange. I have high hopes for this lighting combo.

Seeds were popped on 12/4. First set of pics are from 12/26. Seedlings are pretty uniform. I anticipate flipping in 2 weeks, maybe 3. Fingers crossed for ladies. Have about 1 dozen more in another area under cfls just in case this batch has too many males.

longranger said:

... I have high hopes for this lighting combo...

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Looks like a great setup. Your lights should do a great job.

Interesting grow. Do you have a thread started?

longranger said:

This grow is a mix of seedlings, none feminized. Will be going with 3 Riot Seed strains, Motarebel Dirty Harry, and Green Crack x Mango Kush. The Riot strains are Sid Vicious, Stormy Russian Blue and Riot Sweet OG. All are listed as 9 week strains.

Lights are 2 Blackstar 240 W vegg/clone model and 1 300W Panel that is 7:1:1 Red Blue Orange. I have high hopes for this lighting combo.

Seeds were popped on 12/4. First set of pics are from 12/26. Seedlings are pretty uniform. I anticipate flipping in 2 weeks, maybe 3. Fingers crossed for ladies. Have about 1 dozen more in another area under cfls just in case this batch has too many males. View attachment 1348786View attachment 1348788View attachment 1348789

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Looks nice and if I'm not mistaken those look like root pots to me. Dude, I love them. You can see when the roots hit the walls of the pots and begin to air prune. You can tell it's working like crazy when one root end comes out and is immediately followed by a series of a dozen other root-branches.

Again, Very nice.

Those are 5 gallon roots pots. First time using them. Have only heard good things.

Will posts updates every week or 2 on this thread.

Have the full journal on the Riot seeds website. They are CA based and have awesome genetics. Attitude just picked up their product and will be stocking it soon. Lots of purples and all potent.

longranger said:

This grow is a mix of seedlings, none feminized. Will be going with 3 Riot Seed strains, Motarebel Dirty Harry, and Green Crack x Mango Kush. The Riot strains are Sid Vicious, Stormy Russian Blue and Riot Sweet OG. All are listed as 9 week strains.

Lights are 2 Blackstar 240 W vegg/clone model and 1 300W Panel that is 7:1:1 Red Blue Orange. I have high hopes for this lighting combo.

Seeds were popped on 12/4. First set of pics are from 12/26. Seedlings are pretty uniform. I anticipate flipping in 2 weeks, maybe 3. Fingers crossed for ladies. Have about 1 dozen more in another area under cfls just in case this batch has too many males.

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Longranger, if your going an all led grow im kinda curious as to why you didnt go with the flowering model blackstar............my 240w should be here tomorrow by the way

Good question Kush. I have an existing 300w mainly red spectrum LED and wanted to add LED lights that would allow me to grow from seed to flower. The vegg model replaces the blue and some of the red LEDs with 6 and 12 K diodes. I am banking that this combo of panels has plenty of red to keep my ladies happy in flower.

Last grow I went with the same area covered by the same 300W LED and 400W of T5s. Used half 6000k and half 3000k tubes. Was an excellent grow. This seems like a logical next step to me. Also I think the blue spectra helps produce denser buds.

Now that I have avoided your question. LOL. I would get the flowering panel if that were it's sole purpose. One can certainly make a strong argument for T5s in vegg and the flowering panel after flip.

My next step depending on how this grow goes will be replacing the 300W panel with more efficient LEDs like the next generation of lighthouse or Kessils. Always experimenting

Viagro said:

And remember, 6w of that is for the fan, but it's comparing apples to oranges. Kessil tech is very different.

I obviously agree with KaptK, if in slightly less strident terms...

And Kessils are $240 at Greners.

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a thing i read on the ecogro site that made sense was power in = power out and therodynamics. i failed physics but i half understand what therodynamics is all about like with 400w hps only about 120w of that is actual light and the rest is lost. i know led is more efficient but the best people on some led forums i go to say the best single color led is only about 50% efficient, so assuming kesil used that, 30w would be about 15w of pure light, right? whats this photon flux density theyre talkign about, i saw that on ecogro too but what is it?