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Billygreen said:

I checked the run off from feeding / watering tonight and it ph of runoff is 6.2 and that's been fairly consistent
My plants in coco are over all doing fantastic
The 2 that I have in waterfarms are ok , one is growing pretty nicely and the other has stunted growth like it hasn't grown in over 2 weeks
The roots in both are a lot darker now , more of a brownish color .. Is that natural do to the nutrient mix or is that indicative of root rot ? Not sure on that one

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Roots should always be white Ime.

Multiple smaller LEDs do have advantages. I still use all white and r/w a51s which are similar to Apache. Strong medicine.

all my roots are white,,when ever I have come across brown roots it generally means something is off,,to wet,,or to much nutrients ,, if the plants look okay not sure but the stunted one,,,may be the showing,of something being off a bit,,I have had clones or plants stunt most come out of it ,,,,if they get to much of certain things will almost lock the plant down in the sense that it will not let it take in enough water or nutrients ,during this stunted period,, but I agree Billy green thumb roots should be white and healthy looking

I did some more research and I guess they are just stained from nutes, the plant looks healthy and huge root system , not slimey though so it's not root rot on mine

great to hear

Well , my Replacement AT600 is on its way less than 24 hours after the other one arrived with damage .
So as a new customer I can say that I'm glad I decided to try their product . They have top tier customer service and that's worth a lot to me .
So.. Yes you pay out the ass for their lights but what you get is worth it because The product is excellent and they back it up .
And I'll be a customer of theirs for a long time to come.

Great news man! Keep us posted please I would love to hear about the progress.

Well tomorrow was supposed to be the day finally lol but UPS is a JOKE .
Paid 560$ for 2nd Day Air Originally .
Light was damaged first time and had to send it back . UPS was supposed deliver it this second time 2nd day Air . Replacement light has been in UPS custody since yesterday afternoon and via tracking online they've moved it around f-ing California all day today but never put it on the plane (F-tards)
So won't get it until Monday , meaning those assholes have 4 extra days to fuck this one up . Needless to say I'm pretty hot . Should get a refund on shipping , we shall see . Assholes are stealing my thunder here lol
JUST DELIVER MY DAMN LiGHT !!!
UPS is the Macdonalds of the shipping world , can't get simple shit right .

That sucks,,Had a very similar run ordered a light for my partner and one for me put his order in first completed it did mine,,was all set mine came in like 3-4 days his did not arrive for another 8 days he was pis st,,,,I felt bad and no clue why they did the same type of stuff bounced his all around the state before it finally arrived,,,, I feel for you as I am not always patient enough I am until they screw up then I am on there arse,,hope you get your light mate,,the sooner the better

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Well tomorrow was supposed to be the day finally lol but UPS is a JOKE .
Paid 560$ for 2nd Day Air Originally .
Light was damaged first time and had to send it back . UPS was supposed deliver it this second time 2nd day Air . Replacement light has been in UPS custody since yesterday afternoon and via tracking online they've moved it around f-ing California all day today but never put it on the plane (F-tards)
So won't get it until Monday , meaning those assholes have 4 extra days to fuck this one up . Needless to say I'm pretty hot . Should get a refund on shipping , we shall see . Assholes are stealing my thunder here lol
JUST DELIVER MY DAMN LiGHT !!!
UPS is the Macdonalds of the shipping world , can't get simple shit right .

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Post in some pics of that bad boy when it arrives and make sure you update us how it performs

Billy was that a typo 560 for shipping?

No lol it was actually 548 or somewhere around there . Outrageous lol . More for a 70 pound box than a person to fly .
And I was surprised but they got it here for me today after all even after telling me Monday . I thank my sales person at Apache for that .

It is definitely the Holy Grail of production LEDs as far as I'm concerned . I'll be posting some pics later tonight or tomorrow

I would be flipping the fuck out on ups. Payed for 2nd day air and its bashed to shit is one thing but for that dough I would want a major refund. I'm checking out cobs and one company wants 270 for ground and 800 for second day air.

I also talked to a guy today from gogreenled he is going to do a buy 3 get one free deal. I'm sort of on edge with the price. 4 -200 watt cob panels for 2500 shipped. Compared to 4 -315 watt lec units for 1600. What I thought was a big deal was the par watt factor but the 2 are very close. 43%~52%.


Really want to to a DIY kit which seems like a ton of fun but I don't have the time for it now. It's simple but the figuring is the tough time consuming part. Send some pictures billy

Pictures do not do this thing justice at all , it's blinding me even with glasses on , this thing is no Joke . Can't wait to hang it over the girls when lights on later . They may go into shock because they have been under the Kind Xl1000 and it just does not even compare to intensity of At600

Just to give you an idea , the light was up against my leg for a sec when I was plugging it in and the light radiation started burning my leg as soon as it came on ( NOT HEAT ) the light was burning my leg through my jeans . I'm assuming this is a light that wouldn't hurt to keep about 24 to 32 inches from plants at least I would assume

Lol I think that happened to mine. Shocked. They went under the kind after being under a cheap ass hps and Mars hydro. I'm really pissed with kind and the rest of the companies that they charge top dollar for lights and the LEDs themselves are really the cheapest of cheap. your at600 is proof that the LEDs are no comparison. Kind gets results cause it's slamming so many watts which offsets the lower par watts. That's why smaller panels like the tiny Mars has such a bad reputation. Lower watts and low par watts. Kind has low par watts but many watts.

Don't get me wrong , I'm not knocking kind but they aren't the best and they lie saying they are. I'm gonna use the fuck out of those 4 Kind XL1000s I have and then sell them to buy 4-5 more apaches at least . The build quality and intensity are remarkable ( it's heavy as hell ) buts it's close to the best if not the best

And expensive , but in this case you get what you pay for .. And they've already proven to me that they take care of their customers . That's rare these days . Anyone with 2500$ to spare and a desire for the best can feel good with one of these units .
Im ecstatic to see what they do for my plants .. Very high expectations

I'm not sure the ratio but you may need to run co2 as well. They can only absorbs so much light with out higher Ppm.