LARA Changes the rules again- SSD no longer qualifies for reduced fee

Dr. Bob

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Another Unannounced Change from LARA





12 June 2013

Dr. Robert Townsend


The series of house bills passed in the wee hours of the morning in the closing days of the last session went into effect April 1st this year. As some of you know, this was a Monday. The previous FRIDAY afternoon, LARA changed all the application forms, leaving all certification physicians in the state scrambling over the weekend to be in compliance.

Once again, we have an unannounced change to the process designed, in my opinion, to create another series of denials for patients. With no notice or announcement to the certification community, LARA has quietly REMOVED SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY from the reduced ($25) fee, leaving only full Medicaid and SSI (with paperwork proving SSI dated within 2 rather than 3 years of the application)...

I'm Dr. Bob Townsend. As an individual, I am outraged at this development. As a thinking individual, I look at the pattern of behavior by LARA as a broad based effort to undermine the MMMA program they are charged with administering.

The following are, as I see it, clear indications of malintent on the part of these program administrators.

1.Sudden and in many cases unannounced changes in application forms just prior to implementation of various parts of the Act. They changed the form literally days before the MMMA went into effect in 2009. They changed the application form at the very end of the work week prior to the change in the Act on April 1st, and now quietly removed a major qualification for the reduced fee without informing those of us working in the field. The change to eliminate SSD can only be found if one goes to the state website and clicks on the link to either the qualifying paperwork for the reduced fee or the actual application form, which was revise 6/13 to remove SSD.

2.Prior to April 1st, certification applications were routinely rejected if a box was not checked listing the qualifying condition. This despite the qualifying condition being clearly written in the 'remarks' section under the boxes by the certifying physician. When asked about this, representatives of LARA indicated they did not have people 'qualified to interpret clinical notes'. Now that they have taken it upon themselves to require an explaination of the cause of a patients chronic pain written next to the checked box for chronic pain, they routinely reject the certification if a 'cause' of the chronic pain is not written in. Apparently they have now learned how to read if it allows them to reject applications.

3.Despite hand picking the medical review panel charged with voting on new conditions, once positive votes were taken on PTSD and Parkinson's Disease, both votes were invalidated based on the fact that even though the votes were 5-2 of the 7 individuals present for the votes, there were 13 members named to the panel and supposidly a clear majority of 7 positive votes was deemed 'required'. Then they claimed the make up of the panel was invalid by their own rules and had to be dissolved. Both actions occured on the last day allowed for action on the votes. One has to wonder if the conditions were voted down, we would have ever heard of any objections by LARA to the makeup of the panel.

4.While no expert on Robert's Rules of Order, I do believe that in the case of all members of a panel not being present for a vote, the vote is allowed if there is a quorum (in this case 7 of the 13 were present and were a quorum) present, and the vote could be carried by a simple majority of the members present and voting. If correct, the months of work and testimony on behalf of PTSD and Parkinson's Disease were passed by a vote of 5-2 by LARA's hand picked new condition panel.

5.While tightening the requirements for certification, restrictions on P2P, and even the transportation of cannabis medicine by licensed patients in vehicles was regulated, NOTHING was done to address job security for cannabis patients, to encourage physicians to participate in the program (without the interference of their employers, clinics, or hospitals), or to increase access to medication by patients.

The overall picture I see is one of an agency that is doing everything it can to try and make the program it was 'forced by the voters' to administer fail. Application forms are rejected on a whim due to unannounced changes and unrequired explanations. Lip service is paid to the parts of the law designed to improve access for patients (the new condition panel), while every imaginable roadblock to make it harder for patients to qualify for the card, obtain medication, or move it is tossed up by the department and legislature.

We have had some victories. In Koon, actual 'impairment' was made the standard for driving. This was only common sense, cannabis stays in the system and many patients are clearly NOT impaired even though a blood test may reflect they had used cannabis hours before and tiny traces remained in their system. One can only wonder if Walmart Joe would still have his job if the same standard was applied. I am glad the SC ruled that the standard practice of 'we don't know what level results in impairment, so let's arrest everyone' is no longer acceptable. However the same court overruled Green and patient access suffered.

I don't agree with removing from the list of qualifying reasons to get a reduced fee or refusal to give a reduced fee to disabled veterans, but I don't believe there is an absolute requirement under the law to give anyone a discount, so I guess we should be glad we still have SOME qualifying reasons to get a reduced fee. I don't think a program with a $10 Million dollar surplus should still be charging the maximum fee allowed to patients that are ill and underemployed and least likely to be able to afford those fees. I don't think we should have to wait a year past the deadline for an annual report on the program, or that 3 years should pass without a new conditions panel being seated because the regulatory agency doesn't know it's own requirements for the panel or have a 'form' requesting a new condition be added written.

I am not a lawyer, I am not an expert in Parliamentary Procedure. But looking at the way this program is run by the state, I can recognize a stonewalling when I see one. Call your representatives and senators and tell them you- a voter from their district that helped put them in office, can see a stonewalling too. Ask them what they plan on doing about it.

Dr. Bob
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FatMarty

Well-Known Member
Didn't you lobby Lansing for extra Dr. visits?
Now you are outraged that they took your cue and ran with it?

I blame all of this horseshit on you and people like you.
Really.
Thanks for nothing.
 

gladstoned

Well-Known Member
Didn't you lobby Lansing for extra Dr. visits?
Now you are outraged that they took your cue and ran with it?

I blame all of this horseshit on you and people like you.
Really.
Thanks for nothing.
[video=youtube;Eulb0ROpins]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eulb0ROpins[/video]

Here is a video of him prancing to Lansing cuz he thinks they value his opinion and ideas.
 

FatMarty

Well-Known Member
I sent my first post report in for this guy.
He keeps advertising his business in his threads and sig file.
They just fired a guy here for making that mistake.
What makes this 'Dr.' any different?
 

Bigtacofarmer

Well-Known Member
Sure he advertises, and pisses lots of people off. But, did you just say you snitched on him? dude....... snitch on a snitch to your friends for snitchin, but other than that why fuck with someone?

I sent my first post report in for this guy.
He keeps advertising his business in his threads and sig file.
They just fired a guy here for making that mistake.
What makes this 'Dr.' any different?
 

HomeLessBeans

New Member
I 'liked' this post. Sounded a little like he is seein LARA in a new light.

Sucks huh Doc??

Im guessin that they are Gettin pressure from the Feds
 

TheMan13

Well-Known Member
Malfeasance if fundamental in lawfare. The game is to threaten and/or find others accountable while protecting and ensuring absolutely no responsibility for those writing and/or enforcing the "rules". I have no sympathy for those whom play with these fools and then complain about the fact that everyone gets screwed in the end except all those lawyers collecting billable hours for their "services" ...
 

Dr. Bob

Well-Known Member
You folks that like to devote your energy to bitching about me would be far better served to read the content of the write up and direct that energy to your elected representatives. Got quite a few likes on the post from people that don't have an ax to grind, so the point reached those I was interested in reaching. Perhaps THEY will take the action I was calling for while you guys continue to spin your wheels about me.

Dr. Bob
 

Dr. Bob

Well-Known Member
Didn't you lobby Lansing for extra Dr. visits?
Now you are outraged that they took your cue and ran with it?

I blame all of this horseshit on you and people like you.
Really.
Thanks for nothing.
Actually no, I didn't lobby for extra office visits. I lobbied for standards to make this like any other medical visit and in support of Section 8 being allowed in every case where the patient felt it applied. I also lobbied for PTSD before the new conditions panel and was working on a number of other conditions before they pulled the plug. You know very little about this other than I was involved, so until you know what the bills started as, vs what after 2 years of work they ended up, don't be so fast to blame those responsible for protecting patients.

But you know, I really don't care what you think happened. You weren't there doing the work. Enjoy the two year card and outdoor grows.

Dr. Bob
 

Sir Stanky

Active Member
I know that cpu's lobbying efforts changed my reps vote form a no to a yes vote on the last round of changes to the law. So once again thanks for nothing dr bob.
 

gladstoned

Well-Known Member
I don't think contacting elected officials will/or ever has, done a damn thing. Sure that lying mother fucker might look interested and act
like he gives a shit, but they really don't. What elected official isn't aware of the shit storm that's going on? How many years have they been
tampering with what we voted in? Do you think the state of Michigan wishes everyone would quit drinking and driving? Wear their seatbelts?
It's all rigged doctor. Buy some lights and ballasts, I can get you some clones. It's time doc, it's time...
 

gladstoned

Well-Known Member
^^^ I posted that shit for bloody to help with his recovery. lmao. That's one fruity bitch on the video, eh.
 

Dr. Bob

Well-Known Member
I know that cpu's lobbying efforts changed my reps vote form a no to a yes vote on the last round of changes to the law. So once again thanks for nothing dr bob.
CPU was on record opposing the bills, and delayed them for 2 years. Your statement isn't borne out by the facts. CPU wanted all the votes to fail and lobbied for that.

But continue to believe what you wish. As you must be a member of CPU (otherwise how would you know, they don't talk right?), I am sure you were there yourself and involved in all the back room dealings you claim to have knowledge of. Who am I to disagree with your first person knowledge of what was said and to whom.

Dr. Bob
 

ozzrokk

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Thanx Dr. Bob I was not aware of this. Yes another attempt to mess with this law and coming from the agency that is supposed to be SIMPLY issuing cards. What a joke....... They are not smart enough to realize all of their fighting against this MEDICAL law they are just going to push the full on LEGALIZATION effort. As people realize they are still messing with the medical patients on this issue, these people will say fukkit just legalize it already. They are digging their own grave on this issue and giving the legalization effort more and more steam. Yet they are not smart enough to figure that out. Fukk them and fukk their little card........ LEGALIZE....... Edited to add..... They already have a major surplus in this program yet they pull this? And with no notice, nothing on the website to point it out? They hope that while you are being denied ,because you did not know about the reduced fee change which will affect MANY, they can bust you for non compliance on a TECHNICALITY caused by LARA. We are in a war against the very agency running this program. And the whole panel thing? Yea sure it was just an oversight........ Most people thought the panel was moving along nicely, Yet we were being dupped the whole time....... Glad they continue to make these changes TO HELP THE PATIENTS........ Anyone STILL think they ever intended to give us a fair shake even though 63% of the state said to? And I thought renewing this year was going to be hard as it is...... BAMMMM another thing piled on....... Maybe I wont be able to renew this year afterall.
 

ozzrokk

Well-Known Member
Sorry for my last big post being so crammed together. I copied and pasted my response from a different post and could not edit it the way it is supposed to be. Roll can we get this fixed or is it just my account?
 
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