Kate's law

twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Fogdog said:
They didn't say San Francisco was finally cooperating with ICE. As with conservative libertarian ideology, you are making shit up.
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well there might be a couple years to find out on the posession charge but prolly not hell this dude is what his 5th or 6th strike and your dumb American ass only gets 3?
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Fogdog said:
From what you say, if I don't talk about Trump, his handlers can pump him up. If I talk about Trump, I validate him even if it's negative. You are basically saying that Trump wins regardless. If so, then what I do is not important. So, I'll continue to bash Trump.
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I haven't said trump shouldn't be bashed. I merely mentioned it's constantly talked about here. I said you shouldn't bash who you think are his supporters.

And each perceived supporter basher replied with misdirection.
 
_gresh_

_gresh_

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MichiganMedGrower said:
I haven't said trump shouldn't be bashed. I merely mentioned it's constantly talked about here. I said you shouldn't bash who you think are his supporters.

And each perceived supporter basher replied with misdirection.
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You really need to stop saying “newspaper editors are only interested in content that causes a lot of uproar” when we all know that newspaper editors are only interested in pictures of spiderman.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Fogdog said:
Not accepting equal guilt for Democrats. Democrats support more funding for education and support science as a means of forming policy.

It is naive to claim Democrats are the same as Republicans.
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We have a republican/ corporate run situation.

Plenty of reasonable republicans out there that would like to help too. You can't put huge groups of people into such specific labels just for sake of argument. And just because many share the same feelings about some things as each other.

Easy to say "all of the _________" when it is never all of them.

I agree with sentiments from both sides of these arguments. I even learn about world affairs I would have missed often here.

But to engage in conversation about any of it makes me feel like I have to chose a side.
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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_gresh_ said:
You really need to stop saying “newspaper editors are only interested in content that causes a lot of uproar” when we all know that newspaper editors are only interested in pictures of spiderman.
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You're right. I really should stop that. Because I completely agree.

A bit blatant on your part but fun nonetheless.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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_gresh_ said:
This is obviously because of her emails. Let's just be serious here for a moment.
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was that life really worth another Democratic vote? cause that's literally how that is from all the "we won, fuck trump" shit I'm reading here on this.

dude how are illegals extended more strikes than you are? maybe we could base strikes on grade level completion, this dude would have gotten 2.
 
twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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_gresh_ said:
No. Don't try that. We know you are full of shit.

LOL, that is fucked. Should we take your strikes based on how white you are?

That is a no no, and you know it.
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let's base them on how unlawfully here you are instead of illegally. if we don't fit either of those categories then maybe let's vote on it and act like a constitutional republic or some such.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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MichiganMedGrower said:
We have a republican/ corporate run situation.

Plenty of reasonable republicans out there that would like to help too. You can't put huge groups of people into such specific labels just for sake of argument. And just because many share the same feelings about some things as each other.

Easy to say "all of the _________" when it is never all of them.

I agree with sentiments from both sides of these arguments. I even learn about world affairs I would have missed often here.

But to engage in conversation about any of it makes me feel like I have to chose a side.
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I'm trying to get a read on what you are claiming and nothing more by asking:.

Did you just say that criticizing Republicans for supporting Trump is somehow hardening their support for him?

As far as not taking sides, I can go with you doing that. If you aren't taking sides, why are you defending anybody? Surely you don't think that I'm neutral. I'm most certainly not. You can be neutral and still not be a racist swine like Trump's hardcore supporters. I'm not going to say shit to you for being unable to recognize what's going on regarding the rise of white male nationalism. You think it's economics behind Trump's win? Nope. They are feeding at the trough but Trump's win wasn't due to corporations and the economy.

As far as being unfair to good-hearted Republicans who voted for Trump but "want to help", how many of those do you suppose there are? Certainly not the 37% who approve of Trump. Certainly not the majority of people in Alabama who are about to install a child molester into the Senate. Certainly not the majority of Trump's base who when asked say they are most angry about how DACA aren't on a plane to "their country" right now instead of the odious mismanagement of our healthcare system. How many are there? Perhaps 1% of Republicans? I bet there are so few that I could apologize to each and every one in about ten minutes.

Trump very clearly stated his position as a white supremacist throughout the election. As we got to know him better, he not only continued his racist speech but he also included strong sexism. He is continuing both. I don't understand how anybody who doesn't lean towards racism and sexism could have voted for him. This is borne out by very good studies that have been carried out post-election that find a troubling tendency of Trump's voters to either lean toward or be raging racists or sexists. It wasn't economic anxiety as was thought immediately after the election. People who said the were concerned about their financial future were as likely to vote for Clinton as Trump. But those who answered survey questions about racial or sexist tendencies in ways that identified them as having racist or sexist attitudes almost universally said they voted for Trump.

Considering the harm that racism and sexism does to the targets of those evils, I actually think I'm being nice with what I say to them here.
 
_gresh_

_gresh_

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Fogdog said:
I'm trying to get a read on what you are claiming and nothing more by asking:.

Did you just say that criticizing Republicans for supporting Trump is somehow hardening their support for him?

As far as not taking sides, I can go with you doing that. If you aren't taking sides, why are you defending anybody? Surely you don't think that I'm neutral. I'm most certainly not. You can be neutral and still not be a racist swine like Trump's hardcore supporters. I'm not going to say shit to you for being unable to recognize what's going on regarding the rise of white male nationalism. You think it's economics behind Trump's win? Nope. They are feeding at the trough but Trump's win wasn't due to corporations and the economy.

As far as being unfair to good-hearted Republicans who voted for Trump but "want to help", how many of those do you suppose there are? Certainly not the 37% who approve of Trump. Certainly not the majority of people in Alabama who are about to install a child molester into the Senate. Certainly not the majority of Trump's base who when asked say they are most angry about how DACA aren't on a plane to "their country" right now instead of the odious mismanagement of our healthcare system. How many are there? Perhaps 1% of Republicans? I bet there are so few that I could apologize to each and every one in about ten minutes.

Trump very clearly stated his position as a white supremacist throughout the election. As we got to know him better, he not only continued his racist speech but he also included strong sexism. He is continuing both. I don't understand how anybody who doesn't lean towards racism and sexism could have voted for him. This is borne out by very good studies that have been carried out post-election that find a troubling tendency of Trump's voters to either lean toward or be raging racists or sexists. It wasn't economic anxiety as was thought immediately after the election. People who said the were concerned about their financial future were as likely to vote for Clinton as Trump. But those who answered survey questions about racial or sexist tendencies in ways that identified them as having racist or sexist attitudes almost universally said they voted for Trump.

Considering the harm that racism and sexism does to the targets of those evils, I actually think I'm being nice with what I say to them here.
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SOCRATES: You have led me to believe that your assumption is left without accuracy. You have supplanted my ideology with;

DARRYL SOCRATES' FRIEND: Yea! Burn that libtard, Socrates!
 
MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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Fogdog said:
I'm trying to get a read on what you are claiming and nothing more by asking:.

Did you just say that criticizing Republicans for supporting Trump is somehow hardening their support for him?

As far as not taking sides, I can go with you doing that. If you aren't taking sides, why are you defending anybody? Surely you don't think that I'm neutral. I'm most certainly not. You can be neutral and still not be a racist swine like Trump's hardcore supporters. I'm not going to say shit to you for being unable to recognize what's going on regarding the rise of white male nationalism. You think it's economics behind Trump's win? Nope. They are feeding at the trough but Trump's win wasn't due to corporations and the economy.

As far as being unfair to good-hearted Republicans who voted for Trump but "want to help", how many of those do you suppose there are? Certainly not the 37% who approve of Trump. Certainly not the majority of people in Alabama who are about to install a child molester into the Senate. Certainly not the majority of Trump's base who when asked say they are most angry about how DACA aren't on a plane to "their country" right now instead of the odious mismanagement of our healthcare system. How many are there? Perhaps 1% of Republicans? I bet there are so few that I could apologize to each and every one in about ten minutes.

Trump very clearly stated his position as a white supremacist throughout the election. As we got to know him better, he not only continued his racist speech but he also included strong sexism. He is continuing both. I don't understand how anybody who doesn't lean towards racism and sexism could have voted for him. This is borne out by very good studies that have been carried out post-election that find a troubling tendency of Trump's voters to either lean toward or be raging racists or sexists. It wasn't economic anxiety as was thought immediately after the election. People who said the were concerned about their financial future were as likely to vote for Clinton as Trump. But those who answered survey questions about racial or sexist tendencies in ways that identified them as having racist or sexist attitudes almost universally said they voted for Trump.

Considering the harm that racism and sexism does to the targets of those evils, I actually think I'm being nice with what I say to them here.
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I don't know how anybody could vote for him either. I have stated before I couldn't even take his show on tv.

The first part of this diatribe about me and my knowledge or beliefs is assumption.

The rest is quite a stretch too.

You talk of surveys. No one I know has ever answered or filled one out. They are a chart that is missing many people.

If they did not support your argument I believe you would discredit them.

I will agree although I did not say it you did. That when people are confronted with criticism. Especially when invested in a group they will fight tooth and nail to hold on to what they have decided to believe.

For the most part anyway.
 
_gresh_

_gresh_

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MichiganMedGrower said:
He does sound smart. It's beca



I don't know how anybody could vote for him either. I have stated before I couldn't even take his show on tv.

The first part of this diatribe about me and my knowledge or beliefs is assumption.

The rest is quite a stretch too.

You talk of surveys. No one I know has ever answered or filled one out. They are a chart that is missing many people.

If they did not support your argument I believe you would discredit them.

I will agree although I did not say it you did. That when people are confronted with criticism. Especially when invested in a group they will fight tooth and nail to hold on to what they have decided to believe.

For the most part anyway.
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No.
 
_gresh_

_gresh_

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MichiganMedGrower said:
Nice. Glad you stopped in.
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and changing the channel wont make that go away.
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behind the malls become visible, as the savages on the
other side of the wall break through, as everybody from
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Walk off the job. Crime is beautiful.
A prank a day keeps the dog-leash away.
Quit your jobs. Burn down the malls. AAARRRGGHHHH"
 
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