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Medi 1 said:

when you get all that back tarry lookin crapo at end of a dood. thats nutes. needs to burn clean and no build up at end. plus cleaner looking grey smoke not dark. effects taste to me. some wont brun worth a crap as well.

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Gotta say that I dont buy that, when I was smoking weed grown outdoors with water and nothing else it still had what i always thought was tar on the filter. Nutrients used by local African growers....unheard of!!

its not for sale....lol. what is it..african nutes or no nutes. you claim both there,.maybe what you concerned tar and what i say is nutes are 2 diff things. yes there is some colouring to it. but real dark is what im getting at.

african nutes?

Local African growers don't use nutrients at all, just to clarify. Jesus people could you honestly see some bloke in the sticks buying some advanced nutrients instead of maize for his family at the local co-op.

DOH!!!!

im in. i planned on doin a few tests this winter once work slows down. soils, nutes, fan leave trimming, etc.

yeah I just took three more clones... let the experiments begin

newworldicon said:

PS. Royal Queen seeds is what I meant...it was a new auto they put out with very mixed results so back to the drawing boards...I got a whole heap of them so just did a few to try to establish phenotype...

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quick question, why did you try to establish phenotype on an autoflower? isn't one of the chief drawbacks/ advantages (depending on who you are and how you look at it) is that there is no use to cloning then as they flower when they want to? i mean you can hold a queen mother as long as you want in 12:12, it's still gonna flower when it will, and as such will be impossible to identify which pheno was awesome as you've already smoked it??? just trying to figure out the rationale there, not trying to pick a fight... respect...

nl3004.kind said:

quick question, why did you try to establish phenotype on an autoflower? isn't one of the chief drawbacks/ advantages (depending on who you are and how you look at it) is that there is no use to cloning then as they flower when they want to? i mean you can hold a queen mother as long as you want in 12:12, it's still gonna flower when it will, and as such will be impossible to identify which pheno was awesome as you've already smoked it??? just trying to figure out the rationale there, not trying to pick a fight... respect...

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Don't worry....I am not one of the type of guys that gets my back up against the wall. I was given a bag full of these seeds by someone I met recently who sells seeds online. The deal was to grow them out and tell him what sort of differences there were regards to pheno and characteristics. This stemmed from many seed dealers buying seeds from Royal Queen that had dubious genetics. A lot, I mean a lot of people had complained. I am no expert on phenos etc. I just saw free seeds and weed. All I can tell you now is that out of 50 seeds germinated..only 20 came up, a terrible ratio to start with. The yield is supposed to be around 250-350gm per sq. meter.....I think I'll get about 80gm per sq. meter if i'm lucky. As for pheno, I was told by my friend to look for plant structure and smell etc. which I report back to him, there are 3 distinct phenos to my untrained eye. I'm no expert in that field.

Just to be clear, the genetics of "easy buds" are in question here, not their whole range. I have not grown any other strains from them.

View attachment 1186427View attachment 1186428Purple Flo LSt 5 weeks from clone .

just joined. currently studying light effects on plants. seems most use up all energy during the highest concentration of light for 6 hours. have 4 running on 5 on 1 off with 4 cycles a day. current growth in veg state is 1+" daily. working on a cycle that allows 30cm transition to flower in 2 weeks from seed. still cannot find cycle that speeds up flowering without effecting harvest.

Here's an experiment I got going . Of 4 blueberrys i started from seed ,I placed one in an failed DWC attempt , THese are 5 weeks from seed , this plant is a 4th of the others .So I'm going to try to catch it up through foliar feeding and 24 / 0 light.Here is a current pic after the first foliar spray.

View attachment 1188052 I,m naming it Sophie

So here's the deal... I am thinking of moving away from using the 6" pots I normally use for my indoor and switching to using 20 oz cups (with coco) and using a manual (for the time being) drip line. I am thinking on switching to this because I believe if I can average roughly 5g's per cup I could be harvesting 6 ozs every 16 .333 days instead of getting about 12 oz's every 49. I also think that this will promote much more even bud growth seeing as that all the auxins will be concentrated to the original main stem and there will be no topping or other pruning (except to clean up the bottoms of the main stem). My strain that I am working with is a pretty compact Headband/Original Diesel that is damn resilient and always yields nice in quality and quantity. I asked a couple buddy-growers of mine, they think this should work. Has anyone else experimented with this kind of set up?

Here are the other pertinent details:

1. I can fit (3) of these holding containers in my box that hold (36) 20 oz cups - or 36 plants.
2. My strain is done at 49 days (believe me, I have a microscope)
3. That means every 16.333 days I can harvest 36 plants
4. Averaging about 5 grams per plant I should be yielding about 6 oz every 16 days.

Does anyone think that 5 grams is too high of a target? On a typical main cola on a normal potted plant I am getting 7+ grams, sometimes upwards of 10 grams a cola (I always take a scion clone from my babies in the second week of veg, and then veg for another 3-4 days after that, then in to flower, so I never have the original main cola). I am thinking that by preserving the auxins, providing a near-constant source of nutes, and providing more even lighting conditions I will see an increase in yeild (roughly 33%) and more even bud development and ripening.

I do my own clones and have two wonderful mothers that always give me plenty of prime cuts (I cycle them every 6 months) so I am not worried about falling behind on that...

Ideas, comments and questions welcome.

bumpity bump

The Ruiner said:

bumpity bump

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Seems to me that only you can answer that question, every dialled in grow has it's optimum output and only you will know it best. Therefore it makes it difficult for anyone to assume, good luck though.

newworldicon said:

Seems to me that only you can answer that question, every dialled in grow has it's optimum output and only you will know it best. Therefore it makes it difficult for anyone to assume, good luck though.

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Yeah... I was just looking for anyones ideas and feedback possibly from empirical evidence...

well many people are running away from many many small plants to fewer large ones... how about 6 plants w/ 1 oz per 16 days? throw them back into 6" pots run the month veg and bada bing...

nl3004.kind said:

well many people are running away from many many small plants to fewer large ones... how about 6 plants w/ 1 oz per 16 days? throw them back into 6" pots run the month veg and bada bing...

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The space those 6 would take would put me at a harvest every 25 days instead of every 16....

The Ruiner said:

The space those 6 would take would put me at a harvest every 25 days instead of every 16....

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I've come across a lot more single cola grows people are doing and it seems like they're having great results. The canopy is nice and even so lighting and space work out well and you can jam a lot more plants into the same sq ft.

You sound like you worked it out pretty well.