JigFresh's Grow #2 : Vertical Scrog - closet diy dwc - 650w - Headband + Casey Jones

I am nearing the end of my first grow now and getting very excited. Just one big plant getting all that light hehe. My second batch of four clones is a couple weeks in now and i have been trying something different with them each one. I have been using pipe cleaners to tie branches down around the lid of the roughneck res. Seeing how your scrog has inspired me.

jigfresh said:

I got the MH thing from another member on this site: lilmafia. If I am not mistaken another member suscribes to the idea: smokeandcoke. Anyways, lilmafia swears that when plants are flowered under MH they are frostier and tastier than the HPS stuff.

The reason I beleive this is from my own experience. I had my dual batwing thing going on, so the plants on the left were getting mostly MH, but the plants on the right were getting mostly HPS. The HPS side was heavier and the MH side was prettier looking. It could just be my imagination, but I thought the side with the MH had more trichs.

One major flaw in my reasoning in regards to my setup is this. The HPS was a 400 the MH a 250. So the HPS nugs being fatter would obviously come from more watts and much more lumens.

Speaking of lights: If using the same wattage... HPS has quite a bit more lumens than MH. I'm not saying anything about this... just an exrta light fact.

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I agree with this completely. I have 800 watts in flower (1 400 MH & 1 400 HPS) I can deff. see a difference from stricy HPS flowers. They just look nicer and juicier.

Premo42. I'm so glad you could draw a little ispiration. This site is freaking AWESOME. Lot's of great ideas, great buds (both the kind you hang out with and the kind you smoke). Keep us posted on the grow.... or better yet, give us a link to the journal.

cerberus - glad to have you here my friend. The true test of how this whole thing works will be in the result. I'm stoked you'll be here when as it slowly arrives.

Not too much to report. Things look good. No signs of mildew. Little preflowers are looking more formidable all the time.

I got really busy with things so no light yet. Maybe tonight. I know you guys can wait. The plants may not be able to. I'm mean sometimes.

I might have asked you this already but not sure......

..... Are you going to add the co2 when your in flowering??

Hows that dehumidifier working for you ?? thats next on my list!!! well besides the clones



edit: have you checked out dystopias vscrog

Hi Jig,

You grow is looking real good. You have increased your effective growing area quite a bit if this works. My favorite shot you took was the overhead looking down you can really see how they form around your screen. I got a question for you, about the height of the grow. Having the light on the side of the plant, do you think your plants are growing more sideways, like toward the light instead of up?

Oh I like your choice of lighting too. I believe the light wavelength in the MH will produce more trichs but HPS will get you the weight. I flowered with a 1k watt 3100k MH mixed with 2 250w HPS. That worked real well.

oh man jigs, you know what i started wondering when i was looking at that wall of weed of yours? imagine if wrigley field's outfield wall was like your closet.

neversummer28 said:

oh man jigs, you know what i started wondering when i was looking at that wall of weed of yours? imagine if wrigley field's outfield wall was like your closet.

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LMAO! I would actually like the cubs myself if that were true

Well the MH and thrichome production sounds great. The posts regarding combinations sound perfect too. The best ratio perhaps is the next question in the overall scheme? I know you are limited in grow space, so consider it a stoner question

"2 MH to 3 HPS for High yield and maximum trichome production! As seen on TV dood."

I am pretty happy with the 50/50 MH/HPS but I am looking at moving up to the 2 400's (hps/mh) and adding a 1k HPS (someone I know is giving up there K for adoption) But at any ratio the mixing of types just makes since, full spectrum of light. and yes my plants mostly under the MH are frostier than the ones under the HPS but not quite as large. (I have two plants on either end of the space one gets mostly HPS the other MH) and the theory seems true, HPS bigger MH frostier, the ones in the middle? . jussst right

Jig, I really dig the lades style walls man, I might have to nick that idea from ya, I am thinking my next cycle will have the walls lined like yours (except I'm a dirt guy) and maybe some smallies (1 wk veg) on the floor just cause I'm greedy. I think your going to be pretty happy with your results, this grow looks super kind.

Hulk Nugs said:

..... Are you going to add the co2 when your in flowering??

Hows that dehumidifier working for you ??

edit: have you checked out dystopias vscrog

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I'm not adding co2 as my light fan is on all the time, it would just suck all the co2 right out.

I don't have any dehumidifiers... it's just been dry as hell. I tried one my first grow I think, but any one that would fit in the closet wouldn't do enough. And when I fit the giant one in there it just heated up the room like crazy and didn't extract any water.

Thanks for the link. I haven't looked at anyone else's vert grow on RIU. Not trying to be a prude, I just am not spending enough time on my plants as is... any more reading and I'd spend less time.

I checked it out though... really cool. I love the screens and especially the vert ones.

Thanks again for the link.

cruzer101 said:

Having the light on the side of the plant, do you think your plants are growing more sideways, like toward the light instead of up?

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I had actually never thought of this cruzer. It may well be that they didn't get very tall, as they were feeding on light from the side. Actually sounds quite probable now that I think about it.

Maybe next time I'll veg with a 250 vertical, and the 400 overhead. That way they will reach for the 400, but the sides will get good base growth as well.

Awesome bringing that up.

And thanks for the support/ confirmation the HPS/ MH mix is where it's at.

neversummer28 said:

oh man jigs, you know what i started wondering when i was looking at that wall of weed of yours? imagine if wrigley field's outfield wall was like your closet.

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Dude. I want to start a petition, haha. Sign here to have the ivy at wrigley replaced with 'Casey Jones'. Then at the end of each season it would be harvest time. Make the off-season real nice.

I love it NS. Thanks for stopping by.

Fred Flintstoner said:

The best ratio perhaps is the next question in the overall scheme?

"2 MH to 3 HPS for High yield and maximum trichome production! As seen on TV dood."

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Well, all I can speak from is experience. So far I have flowered under 250 mh and 400 hps. Which is very very close to 2 to 3, It's actually 2 to 3.2. And I like that mix. However, I have never compared it to anything, so basically my opinion is baseless.

cerberus said:

I am pretty happy with the 50/50 MH/HPS but I am looking at moving up to the 2 400's (hps/mh) and adding a 1k HPS (someone I know is giving up there K for adoption) But at any ratio the mixing of types just makes since, full spectrum of light. and yes my plants mostly under the MH are frostier than the ones under the HPS but not quite as large. (I have two plants on either end of the space one gets mostly HPS the other MH) and the theory seems true, HPS bigger MH frostier, the ones in the middle? . jussst right

Jig, I really dig the lades style walls man, I might have to nick that idea from ya, I am thinking my next cycle will have the walls lined like yours (except I'm a dirt guy) and maybe some smallies (1 wk veg) on the floor just cause I'm greedy.

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Go ahead... take the idea... i took it from elsewhere, so all's well. If you do go vert make the screens almost square. I was expecting much more height. Next go round I beleive I will have multiple levels of plants. So a couple on the lower level, then a couple above, like floors of a building. Haven't figured it out yet.

I'm thinking of a drip system. I would love to see this kinda think work with dirt.

And I agree those nugs that get both mh and hps are just oh so sweet.

Excellent! Excellent! I am very Impressed

Mad Props...... Living up to some rough designs I drew up a couple years ago..... didn't have the right circumstances to set it up then though....... depending on how this comes out for you I may get it up and running! Im rooting for yah thats for sure....... looking Excellent!

Thank you my friend.

These pics are for you...

Both bulbs are HPS at the moment.

In order... Ballasts, Sour Grape, Purple Kush, Sour Grape, Casey Jones, Group.

Looking good bro. Gotta love that vertical!!!!!

we got bush!! LOL

getting jiggy with itsweet bro

wow talk about something new

Very nice! I just found this thread so I haven't read it yet but I'll catch up. How long have they been flowering for?

Lt Shiny Sides said:

Very nice! I just found this thread so I haven't read it yet but I'll catch up. How long have they been flowering for?

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Dr. G, BTF... Thanks so much for the support.

T@ll T33, Lt Shiny Sides.... Welcome. You guys are just in time for the good stuff.

Today is day 14 of 12/12. The girls really started showing pre-flowers about 10 days ago. No trichs yet.

I'm expecting these plants to go 9-11 weeks. Probably right about 9 weeks for the Casey Jones and around 10 weeks for the Sour Grape.

I don't know how long the Sour Grape and Purple Kush in the soil will take. My PK last grow in hydro took exactly 8 weeks from 12/12 to finish. We'll see how long it takes in my first soil attempt.

Thanks for checking things out guys.

Looking good in there man

hmm day 14 hmmm

you could cut the bottom branches make the soils a lollipop, one huge cola, maybe try and clone the branches you cut that be fun

Hulk Nugs said:

Looking good in there man

hmm day 14 hmmm

you could cut the bottom branches make the soils a lollipop, one huge cola, maybe try and clone the branches you cut that be fun

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Well now... there's an idea. I'm not messing with clones... I would have to spend more money on equipment... and then I would have clones with nothing to do with. Plus all these plants are infected with Powdery Mildew (it's a disease) so any clone I cut would be infected also.

Not trying to knock the idea though.... any thoughts soil people... or anyone?

I've only ever trimmed plants to get them good on a screen. I've never just strait trimmed a plant, but it may be time.

Thanks for the idea hulk.

jigfresh said:

Well now... there's an idea. I'm not messing with clones... I would have to spend more money on equipment... and then I would have clones with nothing to do with. Plus all these plants are infected with Powdery Mildew (it's a disease) so any clone I cut would be infected also.

Not trying to knock the idea though.... any thoughts soil people... or anyone?

I've only ever trimmed plants to get them good on a screen. I've never just strait trimmed a plant, but it may be time.

Thanks for the idea hulk.

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You should just set the plants up a little higher so the lower buds get more light. It should give you some nice equally thick buds throughout the whole plant...

and I've been reading this thread from the beginning, keep up the amazing work man...