January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

CatHedral said:

I am not so sure. For forty years before that man, since Nixon, the GOP has moved more and more to the right. The fascist actions didn’t happen overnight. I don’t anticipate the Republicans getting cleaned up in my lifetime.

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John Birchers were a force in the Republican party in the fifties. They certainly were all in on Prohibition in the twenties. I think the Republican Party went wrong during the Gilded Age. Maybe it's just that I've never known the Republican Party to be anything but authoritarian assholes but they have a long history of being on the side of the authoritarian right. To be fair, so were Democrats, a hundred years ago. It was Democrats that moved away from them, it became coalition of several groups with common interest of expanding everybody's rights and opportunities. Republicans stuck with old Jim Crow era attitudes of white power. Republicans only recently saw that their policies of exclusion were going to be the death of the Party. Then they went all in on white supremacy and fascism. They doubled down, so to speak.

OK, so I'm generalizing. If I got it wrong, I wouldn't mind being corrected.

rkymtnman said:

you really think they've waited since nixon and along came trump and they said 'this is the guy we want ?". i think moreso they realized that their base is dying off and young americans aren't aligned with their values and they have to do anything to stay relevant.

i'm not so sure either but maybe you are right? i just don't think they really want a dictatorship or fascism though.

take the money out of politics and let's get R's and D's that actually wnat to help their constituents would be a good place to start IMO>

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Very well said. I have to say this one of the more sensible things I have read on here.

CatHedral said:

I am not so sure. For forty years before that man, since Nixon, the GOP has moved more and more to the right. The fascist actions didn’t happen overnight. I don’t anticipate the Republicans getting cleaned up in my lifetime.

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Actually it goes back to Goldwater and blacks lead by a famous black retired baseball player whose name eludes me now, walked out of the convention.

rkymtnman said:

you really think they've waited since nixon and along came trump and they said 'this is the guy we want ?". i think moreso they realized that their base is dying off and young americans aren't aligned with their values and they have to do anything to stay relevant.

i'm not so sure either but maybe you are right? i just don't think they really want a dictatorship or fascism though.

take the money out of politics and let's get R's and D's that actually wnat to help their constituents would be a good place to start IMO>

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No. I think they tried things til they found what works. The first obvious signs were Reagan stripping healthcare and declaring voodoo economics. The Bushes solidified the economic lies. Finally that man came along, and the pins were ready for his ball.

I do not think any of this was as neatly laid out as a Bond villain would have done. But a lot of opportunism plus a few bad breaks brought us to the anniversary of Hang Mike Pence.

GreauxFast said:

yet….here you are!!!!!

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printer said:

Meadows asks Supreme Court for 'prompt' answer on Trump Jan. 6 lawsuit
Former President Trump’s ex-chief of staff Mark Meadows asked the Supreme Court in a filing Friday for a “prompt” answer regarding Trump’s lawsuit against the House Jan. 6 committee that is seeking documents from the former president and allies.

Meadows's lawyer, George J. Terwilliger III, filed an amicus brief requesting the Supreme Court quickly take up a lawsuit that aims to block communications and documents Trump had leading up to Jan. 6 from Congress.

The case is now at the Supreme Court, which should give a “prompt” response because it “raises important and timely issues,” Terwilliger said in the filing, first reported by Politico.

Terwilliger said the case gives the court the opportunity to “provide a needed check on continued growth of congressional investigations” and “to opine on whether Congress and the incumbent President may agree to override” the protections of executive privilege.

Meadows asks Supreme Court for ‘prompt’ answer on Trump Jan. 6 lawsuit

Former President Trump’s ex-chief of staff Mark Meadows asked the Supreme Court in a filing Friday for a “prompt” answer regarding Trump’s lawsuit against the House Jan. 6 committee that is seeking…

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as we are all aware executive privilege is for sitting president only. incumbent indeed. sorry Pal.

CatHedral said:

I am not so sure. For forty years before that man, since Nixon, the GOP has moved more and more to the right. The fascist actions didn’t happen overnight. I don’t anticipate the Republicans getting cleaned up in my lifetime.

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Jackie Robinson lead black delegates out of the convention in the mid sixties and they never looked back after the democrats got behind voting and civil rights.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Ryan Grim: Recovered Trump tweets from January 6 tell a story of escalating tension

Ryan Grim breaks down a detailed timeline of President Trump's known communications on January 6, 2020.

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drip drip drip...

they've known this was way more serious for a year now.

i love the drama though. seeing these traitors twist in the wind is lovely

Fogdog said:

That's what I thought. I've even heard British people brag about how they don't feel the need to write it all down. As if a constitution is a sign of weakness or something like that. I'm not close enough to know but the UK seems to be stuck with a noble class that is still in power and a king with absolute power. At least that's how is seems from my remote point of view.

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CatHedral said:

No. I think they tried things til they found what works. The first obvious signs were Reagan stripping healthcare and declaring voodoo economics. The Bushes solidified the economic lies. Finally that man came along, and the pins were ready for his ball.

I do not think any of this was as neatly laid out as a Bond villain would have done. But a lot of opportunism plus a few bad breaks brought us to the anniversary of Hang Mike Pence.

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and this shit's forever etched in our history..they're going to look back and say WTF was in the water? Ph was off or too much N.

rkymtnman said:

drip drip drip...

they've known this was way more serious for a year now.

i love the drama though. seeing these traitors twist in the wind is lovely

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Yer gonna see a twistathon soon, there will be drama and historic TV, many will tune in during winter with covid around. I predict sky high TV ratings when they get rocking and rolling, buy popcorn, cause along with Donald dancing in NY, it promises to be an entertaining few months. Oh yeah, what ever happened to the weasel Matt Gaetz and his pending indictment, from what I've seen the feds should have the fucker by the balls.

CatHedral said:

I do not think any of this was as neatly laid out as a Bond villain would have done

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let's be honest: W Bush and Trump only graduated from Ivy league schools b/c of their last name or their last check.

hardly a Goldfinger or even a Goldmember. lol.

rkymtnman said:

you really think they've waited since nixon and along came trump and they said 'this is the guy we want ?". i think moreso they realized that their base is dying off and young americans aren't aligned with their values and they have to do anything to stay relevant.

i'm not so sure either but maybe you are right? i just don't think they really want a dictatorship or fascism though.

take the money out of politics and let's get R's and D's that actually wnat to help their constituents would be a good place to start IMO>

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There are data from earlier studies on the make-up of Republican and Democrats regarding their tendency to support right wing authoritarian (RWA) leadership. Since at least the 80's at least.


American state legislators were surveyed in the 1980s and 1990s to measure their RWA scores, and Republicans almost uniformly scored significantly higher than Democrats. The highest RWA scores in both parties came from representatives in Southern states.
Most relevant for the 2020 presidential election, Dean and Altemeyer worked with the Monmouth University Polling Institute in late 2019 to include questions in a nationwide survey of 1,000 voters that explored not only SRO and RWA levels but participants’ opinions about religious fundamentalism and ethnocentric prejudice, and their political views and affiliations.

I am inferring that people voting for right wing authoritarian leaders are authoritarian followers. Along with supporting authoritarian leaders, authoritarian followers exhibit a host of violent, criminal and racist tendencies:

Most relevant for the 2020 presidential election, Dean and Altemeyer worked with the Monmouth University Polling Institute in late 2019 to include questions in a nationwide survey of 1,000 voters that explored not only SRO and RWA levels but participants’ opinions about religious fundamentalism and ethnocentric prejudice, and their political views and affiliations.

The Monmouth poll overwhelmingly found that most Trump supporters are both highly authoritarian and highly prejudiced, and revealed that authoritarian views are deeply embedded in the belief system of many Republicans who would seek another strong leader to take Trump’s place whenever he departed the national political stage.

Trump’s followers don’t care about his dishonesty and questionable actions because their primary concern is the perceived corruption of the purity of American society, write Dean and Altemeyer. Trump’s base is oblivious to his unpresidential behavior, endlessly forgiving of his incompetence, and stands “ready to give Trump all the power he wants” in exchange for his promise to reverse societal change and protect them from the purported danger posed by “lawless” minorities and immigrants.

So, I don't think the "why can't we just all get along?" train of thought will get anywhere with these people.

DIY-HP-LED said:

Yer gonna see a twistathon soon, there will be drama and historic TV, many will tune in during winter with covid around. I predict sky high TV ratings when they get rocking and rolling, buy popcorn, cause along with Donald dancing in NY, it promises to be an entertaining few months. Oh yeah, what ever happened to the weasel Matt Gaetz and his pending indictment, from what I've seen the feds should have the fucker by the balls.

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once they realize that trump is either not going to run in 24, will have no chance of winning the GOP primary or even being in prison even sooner, they will all twist away like Chubby Checker. i've got a nice bottle of scotch waiting for the perp walks.

Fogdog said:

John Birchers were a force in the Republican party in the fifties. They certainly were all in on Prohibition in the twenties. I think the Republican Party went wrong during the Gilded Age. Maybe it's just that I've never known the Republican Party to be anything but authoritarian assholes but they have a long history of being on the side of the authoritarian right. To be fair, so were Democrats, a hundred years ago. It was Democrats that moved away from them, it became coalition of several groups with common interest of expanding everybody's rights and opportunities. Republicans stuck with old Jim Crow era attitudes of white power. Republicans only recently saw that their policies of exclusion were going to be the death of the Party. Then they went all in on white supremacy and fascism. They doubled down, so to speak.

OK, so I'm generalizing. If I got it wrong, I wouldn't mind being corrected.

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I’m not well versed in this history, but I imagine you have the broad strokes right. I do look to Eisenhower as the last decent Republican president. He sounded the warning about the military-industrial complex. Key word industrial, which accounts for the fiscal evolution of the Republican platform. They’re all about protecting their friends, the captains of industry. Right up until they went into the last convention with no platform beyond Heil Trumpf!

There is an awful lot of unpleasant work to do before we can wean, starve, besiege them out of racist/sexist policies just as they have been starving and besieging the mostly no white inner cities. These illiberal ideas are set deep. So deep that more than half of registered Republicans prefer a dishonest fantasy to fact.

One thing that has really hurt the nation politically and socially has been corrupt social media providers. The bosses had no trouble profiting off known lies. IMO this is another now-or-never job set before today’s residue if honest legislators and judicials. If the GQP gains power this or next time, the social media propagandists will have secured a successful coup, I fear.

CunningCanuk said:

What Is the Monarch's Role in British Government? | HISTORY

Gone are the days of absolute monarchy. Today, the ruler's duties are merely ceremonial.

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yep, I still don't understand but that's on me. I don't care enough.

Fogdog said:

So, I don't think the "why can't we just all get along?" train of thought will get anywhere with these people

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good point.

although i think from what i've seen Dems would be more receptive to Reps ideas versus the opposite. i think they are way more far right than dems are far left.

rkymtnman said:

let's be honest: W Bush and Trump only graduated from Ivy league schools b/c of their last name or their last check.

hardly a Goldfinger or even a Goldmember. lol.

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Yeah but Dubya surrounded himself with intelligent and trusted advisers. Bet they kept him on task.

CatHedral said:

Yeah but Dubya surrounded himself with intelligent and trusted advisers. Bet they kept him on task.

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i have a kevin bacon 6 degree of separation with dick cheney. lol.

rkymtnman said:

good point.

although i think from what i've seen Dems would be more receptive to Reps ideas versus the opposite. i think they are way more far right than dems are far left.

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Yesterday, Dick Cheney showed up in the House to support Democrats.

Republicans have gone so far authoritarian right that they left Dick fucking Cheney behind.

rkymtnman said:

good point.

although i think from what i've seen Dems would be more receptive to Reps ideas versus the opposite. i think they are way more far right than dems are far left.

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Hell, we have a coupla social democrats (Sanders, AOC) and Republicans call them socialist, which is wrong, or communists, which is at once ridiculous and utterly reprehensible for all the base it deceived into a delusion from which there is apparently almost no return.