January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

Roger A. Shrubber

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Skillcraft said:
Racism to me is judging someone by the color of their skin, religion ethnicity or any other factor that doesn't directly correlate to who that person really is. So are you folks telling me that in the United States racism is only a problem when it is white people that are racist? If not please clarify because that is the vibe I am getting.
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i don't think any racism is acceptable, and if you have a viable strategy for achieving that, outside of murdering about 30% of the worlds population, i'd like to hear it. the option to just quit being racist, to quit performing racist acts is there, all day, every day, for every racist on the planet. all they have to do is make the choice. a lot of people don't seem to like that choice. how do you intend to get them to make it? realistically?
until you come up with something, i say we go with working on the part that is causing the most problems first, then clean up the rest after we make a big dent in the principal
 
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Jan. 6 chair says panel will ask Pence to testify this month
Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), chairman of the committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, said the panel plans to ask former Vice President Mike Pence to voluntarily appear before the committee.

"I think you could expect that before the month's out," Thompson told NPR in a Friday interview.

Thompson had previously floated the idea of asking Pence to appear before the committee, telling CNN he hoped the former vice president “would do the right thing and come forward and voluntarily talk to the committee."

"We have not formally asked. But if he offered, we'd gladly accept. Everything is under consideration," he said.

Speaking with The Hill on Thursday, Thompson said he had not heard anything from Pence after hitting the airwaves expressing optimism for his cooperation.

A formal request to Pence would be the fourth such request by the committee, after the committee sent letters asking for voluntary appearances by Reps. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Scott Perry (R-Penn.).

Pence made clear leading up to the Jan. 6 attack that he would vote to certify the election results, issuing a letter shortly before the proceedings saying “my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not.”

"The vice president was put in a tough spot. The president was putting a lot of pressure on him to break the law, and he stood fast," Thompson told NPR, referring to former President Trump.

"And because of his respect for law, there were people who came to the Capitol a year ago wanting to hang him. And so, if for no other reason, our committee really needs to hear what are his opinions about what happened on January 6."
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Jan. 6 chair says panel will move this month to ask Pence to testify

Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), chairman of the committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, said the panel plans to ask former Vice President Mike Pence to voluntarily appear before t…
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Meadows asks Supreme Court for 'prompt' answer on Trump Jan. 6 lawsuit
Former President Trump’s ex-chief of staff Mark Meadows asked the Supreme Court in a filing Friday for a “prompt” answer regarding Trump’s lawsuit against the House Jan. 6 committee that is seeking documents from the former president and allies.

Meadows's lawyer, George J. Terwilliger III, filed an amicus brief requesting the Supreme Court quickly take up a lawsuit that aims to block communications and documents Trump had leading up to Jan. 6 from Congress.

The case is now at the Supreme Court, which should give a “prompt” response because it “raises important and timely issues,” Terwilliger said in the filing, first reported by Politico.

Terwilliger said the case gives the court the opportunity to “provide a needed check on continued growth of congressional investigations” and “to opine on whether Congress and the incumbent President may agree to override” the protections of executive privilege.
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Meadows asks Supreme Court for ‘prompt’ answer on Trump Jan. 6 lawsuit

Former President Trump’s ex-chief of staff Mark Meadows asked the Supreme Court in a filing Friday for a “prompt” answer regarding Trump’s lawsuit against the House Jan. 6 committee that is seeking…
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Maybe I should clarify something to everyone. Racism is a very touchy subject with me because I am married to the most wonderful woman in the world and is also the best mother to our children I could ever ask for. She has stood by my side when I was deployed and wrote me every day. I mean every day. She has stood by me when I was struggling with PTSD and made me a better person. We both had kids when we met and we both accepted each other's kids no questions asked. Her husband had died and left her with two kids. My first wife was a real piece of work. She turned to drugs and alcohol and let our kids suffer from neglect due to her addictions. My wife and I have 5 grandkids as of now and hope for more. Long story short my wife is black and I am white. I adopted her to sons ,who happen to be black and she adopted my son and daughter who happen to be white. I have seen racism from both sides. I lost friends and family members as my wife did when we decided to get married. We now have grandkids that are black, white, Hispanic and American indian. we have been married to 22 years and have never left each other's side nor will we. So please do not try and tell me I don't understand racism in America because I do.
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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Skillcraft said:
Maybe I should clarify something to everyone. Racism is a very touchy subject with me because I am married to the most wonderful woman in the world and is also the best mother to our children I could ever ask for. She has stood by my side when I was deployed and wrote me every day. I mean every day. She has stood by me when I was struggling with PTSD and made me a better person. We both had kids when we met and we both accepted each other's kids no questions asked. Her husband had died and left her with two kids. My first wife was a real piece of work. She turned to drugs and alcohol and let our kids suffer from neglect due to her addictions. My wife and I have 5 grandkids as of now and hope for more. Long story short my wife is black and I am white. I adopted her to sons ,who happen to be black and she adopted my son and daughter who happen to be white. I have seen racism from both sides. I lost friends and family members as my wife did when we decided to get married. We now have grandkids that are black, white, Hispanic and American indian. we have been married to 22 years and have never left each other's side nor will we. So please do not try and tell me I don't understand racism in America because I do.
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Thank you for your service
Your mileage like mine may vary
 
CatHedral

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Skillcraft said:
Maybe I should clarify something to everyone. Racism is a very touchy subject with me because I am married to the most wonderful woman in the world and is also the best mother to our children I could ever ask for. She has stood by my side when I was deployed and wrote me every day. I mean every day. She has stood by me when I was struggling with PTSD and made me a better person. We both had kids when we met and we both accepted each other's kids no questions asked. Her husband had died and left her with two kids. My first wife was a real piece of work. She turned to drugs and alcohol and let our kids suffer from neglect due to her addictions. My wife and I have 5 grandkids as of now and hope for more. Long story short my wife is black and I am white. I adopted her to sons ,who happen to be black and she adopted my son and daughter who happen to be white. I have seen racism from both sides. I lost friends and family members as my wife did when we decided to get married. We now have grandkids that are black, white, Hispanic and American indian. we have been married to 22 years and have never left each other's side nor will we. So please do not try and tell me I don't understand racism in America because I do.
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While I admire the story, you still need to tune your definitions.
 
rkymtnman

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Jan. 6 chair says panel will ask Pence to testify this month
Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), chairman of the committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, said the panel plans to ask former Vice President Mike Pence to voluntarily appear before the committee.

"I think you could expect that before the month's out," Thompson told NPR in a Friday interview.

Thompson had previously floated the idea of asking Pence to appear before the committee, telling CNN he hoped the former vice president “would do the right thing and come forward and voluntarily talk to the committee."

"We have not formally asked. But if he offered, we'd gladly accept. Everything is under consideration," he said.

Speaking with The Hill on Thursday, Thompson said he had not heard anything from Pence after hitting the airwaves expressing optimism for his cooperation.

A formal request to Pence would be the fourth such request by the committee, after the committee sent letters asking for voluntary appearances by Reps. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) and Scott Perry (R-Penn.).

Pence made clear leading up to the Jan. 6 attack that he would vote to certify the election results, issuing a letter shortly before the proceedings saying “my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not.”

"The vice president was put in a tough spot. The president was putting a lot of pressure on him to break the law, and he stood fast," Thompson told NPR, referring to former President Trump.

"And because of his respect for law, there were people who came to the Capitol a year ago wanting to hang him. And so, if for no other reason, our committee really needs to hear what are his opinions about what happened on January 6."
thehill.com

Jan. 6 chair says panel will move this month to ask Pence to testify

Rep. Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.), chairman of the committee investigating the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, said the panel plans to ask former Vice President Mike Pence to voluntarily appear before t…
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when trump and co. is jailed eventually, this would be a good move for pence right now. i think the fact of just how much this was a concerted coup attempt and not just a rally is only gonna trickle out until it becomes niagra falls.
 
hanimmal

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Skillcraft said:
Racism to me is judging someone by the color of their skin, religion ethnicity or any other factor that doesn't directly correlate to who that person really is. So are you folks telling me that in the United States racism is only a problem when it is white people that are racist? If not please clarify because that is the vibe I am getting.
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I would point to those racism done by most non-white racist (like the psycho black guy that kicked the crap out of that small asian woman) are pretty much always a crime. Or a problem with some sort of solution to protecting society from people who would act on their racism.

Where white men have used our legal system to allow their racism to be considered legal until very recently, or a problem without necessarily a solution. Things like burning black people out of their homes/town, denying minorities returning from war their government home loans to take advantage of the emerging suburbanization, then using redlining to keep them away, over policing mostly non-white cities, having about 96% of all land owned in American being held by white people, hiring and education practices, etc have led to very real systemic issues. So it is not that it is not a problem only with white people being racist, only that it is that they have been the only ones to use the government to propagate it.

CatHedral said:
We classify the other things as other bigotries. Religious prejudice is only incidentally racist, as when Jews or Arab Muslims are targeted. Sex-based bigotry is generally not racist per se. Women and LGBTQ… are also persecuted or undercompensated.

But racism is specifically the first thing you mentioned, skin color. I’m not dismissing the others, but I think your classification need tuning.
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This was right on.

Skillcraft said:
Maybe I should clarify something to everyone. Racism is a very touchy subject with me because I am married to the most wonderful woman in the world and is also the best mother to our children I could ever ask for. She has stood by my side when I was deployed and wrote me every day. I mean every day. She has stood by me when I was struggling with PTSD and made me a better person. We both had kids when we met and we both accepted each other's kids no questions asked. Her husband had died and left her with two kids. My first wife was a real piece of work. She turned to drugs and alcohol and let our kids suffer from neglect due to her addictions. My wife and I have 5 grandkids as of now and hope for more. Long story short my wife is black and I am white. I adopted her to sons ,who happen to be black and she adopted my son and daughter who happen to be white. I have seen racism from both sides. I lost friends and family members as my wife did when we decided to get married. We now have grandkids that are black, white, Hispanic and American indian. we have been married to 22 years and have never left each other's side nor will we. So please do not try and tell me I don't understand racism in America because I do.
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I am glad you have a great family, congratulations, and am sorry for your PTSD.
 
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rkymtnman said:
when trump and co. is jailed eventually, this would be a good move for pence right now. i think the fact of just how much this was a concerted coup attempt and not just a rally is only gonna trickle out until it becomes niagra falls.
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Pence's staff are going for the gusto and his former chief of staff had a lot of drama in the WH before 1/6 and got himself banned from the place by Trump. Pence might have little choice but to follow their lead, besides he can't be too happy about the anniversary of hang Mike Pence day! He is gonna run clear of the wreckage and might as well retire from politics, he's fucked politically. His staff has all the details and are enthusiastically spilling them, Mike will be there for public reasons, drama and TV ratings. Will he cut Donald's throat? It depends how far NY is along in prosecuting Trump I suppose, he won't lie under oath for him though.
 
rkymtnman

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Herb & Suds said:
You can bank Pence is trying to save face
Not all religious zealots love tRUMP
or so I hear
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some of these rats see that the sky is falling and want to get out from under it sooner than later. they just keep flip flopping like cruz and graham and hope that the pendulum stops when they are on the right side of history. they were terrorists, no they were tourists.

the republican party will eventually re-center after trump. i actually don't mind some of their policies
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Pence's staff are going for the gusto and his former chief of staff had a lot of drama in the WH before 1/6 and got himself banned from the place by Trump. Pence might have little choice but to follow their lead, besides he can't be too happy about the anniversary of hang Mike Pence day! He is gonna run clear of the wreckage and might as well retire form politics, he's fucked politically. His staff has all the details and are enthusiastically spilling them, Mike will be there for public reasons, drama and TV ratings. Will he cut Donald's throat? It depends how far NY is along in prosecuting Trump I suppose, he won't lie under oath for him though.
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totally agree. at some point as the 2nd most powerful man on the planet, you see a sign that says Hang your Ass" and you don't start to wonder about your life vector???? surely Mother told him that sign was bad news, no??
 
Fogdog

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Skillcraft said:
All racism in the US should have the same standing. Any racism in the country should not be tolerated. But to suggest we need to fix the (white) issues first does not fix the problem. The lever should be placed on ending racism as a whole. But I guess that is not a popular view. That doesn't divide us or polarize us. What a shame. We should all be united to end all racism. Period.
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How does one "end racism"?

I don't think we can. I think it's up to the racist and most die with that illness. BTW, "ending racism" isn't an objective of anti-discrimination political groups. Minority groups that are targets of racists and systemic racism just want the same right to freely move about and live their lives without being threatened or harmed by racists. Like white people are able to do.

For example, BLM objectives:

#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc. is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives.

We are expansive. We are a collective of liberators who believe in an inclusive and spacious movement. We also believe that in order to win and bring as many people with us along the way, we must move beyond the narrow nationalism that is all too prevalent in Black communities. We must ensure we are building a movement that brings all of us to the front.

We affirm the lives of Black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, undocumented folks, folks with records, women, and all Black lives along the gender spectrum. Our network centers those who have been marginalized within Black liberation movements.

We are working for a world where Black lives are no longer systematically targeted for demise.

We affirm our humanity, our contributions to this society, and our resilience in the face of deadly oppression.

The call for Black lives to matter is a rallying cry for ALL Black lives striving for liberation.

They don't even mention trying to change people's minds. They just want white people to stop killing them for no good reason. That and be treated fairly.
 
CatHedral

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rkymtnman said:
some of these rats see that the sky is falling and want to get out from under it sooner than later. they just keep flip flopping like cruz and graham and hope that the pendulum stops when they are on the right side of history. they were terrorists, no they were tourists.

the republican party will eventually re-center after trump. i actually don't mind some of their policies
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I am not so sure. For forty years before that man, since Nixon, the GOP has moved more and more to the right. The fascist actions didn’t happen overnight. I don’t anticipate the Republicans getting cleaned up in my lifetime.
 
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CatHedral said:
I am not so sure. For forty years before that man, since Nixon, the GOP has moved more and more to the right. The fascist actions didn’t happen overnight. I don’t anticipate the Republicans getting cleaned up in my lifetime.
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I'm hoping a conservative party will arise that will divide the vote on the right, mostly financed by the rich who can overcome the state barriers with legal challenges and money. This can divide the right and keep them out of power for a decade or more, losing at the polls leads to reform or death for parties normally, when there are alternatives. All the corporate and wealth money will go to the new conservative party and the republicans will starve. The republican brand has been destroyed among generations of Americans and this impact will grow over time especially among youth and women voters.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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CatHedral said:
I am not so sure. For forty years before that man, since Nixon, the GOP has moved more and more to the right. The fascist actions didn’t happen overnight. I don’t anticipate the Republicans getting cleaned up in my lifetime.
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you really think they've waited since nixon and along came trump and they said 'this is the guy we want ?". i think moreso they realized that their base is dying off and young americans aren't aligned with their values and they have to do anything to stay relevant.

i'm not so sure either but maybe you are right? i just don't think they really want a dictatorship or fascism though.

take the money out of politics and let's get R's and D's that actually wnat to help their constituents would be a good place to start IMO>
 
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CatHedral said:
While I admire the story, you still need to tune your definitions.
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Maybe my definitions aren't perfect or match up with the dictionary spot on but if that is the only thing about my post you can point out as wrong so be it. Let's just say I do not believe in anything that resembles racism or bigotry. But you have no valid points to pont to where I was wrong so you have to point out that I added to the definition of racism. How small of you. Avoid the issues I bring up and concentrate on some grammatical or definition error instead of just saying you may agree with me. But wait you can't agree with me on anything because I am not a hard line Democrat. It is people like you that keep this country divided and always will.
 
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