Is a reversal of Roe v Wade decision next?

Rob Roy

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Without hierarchy there is no way a Justice Cadre can exist.
It punches a hole in your sociopo-something ideas.
Seriously, who is charged/privileged to assess justice? It cannot be undifferentiated people.
You own yourself. I own me. That should be IS the default status of a peaceful situation.

You own your justly acquired property. I don't. I own my justly acquired property. You don't.

No need for a default hierarchy if the above is the norm.

When you violate the above, the victim has a right to seek justice, no ? When you don't violate the above, there is no need to seek justice, then why is a permanent hierarchy necessary ? Hint...it isn't there for justice, it's there to wield power and violate rights, rather than protect them.
 

CatHedral

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You own yourself. I own me. That should be IS the default status of a peaceful situation.

You own your justly acquired property. I don't. I own my justly acquired property. You don't.

No need for a default hierarchy if the above is the norm.

When you violate the above, the victim has a right to seek justice, no ? When you don't violate the above, there is no need to seek justice, then why is a permanent hierarchy necessary ? Hint...it isn't there for justice, it's there to wield power and violate rights, rather than protect them.
No. An effective society is inevitably layered.
The layers are necessary to bring the toxic individualists to heel. They contribute nothing but doubt.
 

CatHedral

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Is an 8 month and 27 day unborn child sentient and deserving of life any less than he / she would be if they were born 3 days later?

What makes that so or not so? Just curious if that is a consideration for you.
The obvious boundary is survivability post uterum.
 

Rob Roy

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No. An effective society is inevitably layered.
The layers are necessary to bring the toxic individualists to heel. They contribute nothing but doubt.
A just society does not assign peaceful people a leader they neither need or want. If you want to obey somebody, go for it. Don't tell me I must follow your choices and try to maintain that is somehow justice. It isn't. Your argument is a non sequitur.

Your hierarch actions taken a bit further use the same rationale as slavery. "See that guy, genuflect before him, we've chosen him as your boss" !!
 

CatHedral

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A just society does not assign peaceful people a leader they neither need or want. If you want to obey somebody, go for it. Don't tell me I must follow your choices and try to maintain that is somehow justice. It isn't. Your argument is a non sequitur.

Your hierarch actions taken a bit further use the same rationale as slavery. "See that guy, genuflect before him, we've chosen him as your boss" !!
Can you provide proof for the bolded? Analytical or geometric?
 

Rob Roy

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Can you provide proof for the bolded? Analytical or geometric?
Yes, I can use geometric proof. Your head is square and full of sawdust. That's okay though, mine is not square and is full of brains.

I took a poll and the consensus was that I am right. Maybe you will win next time if you just vote harder!
 

CatHedral

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Yes, I can use geometric proof. Your head is square and full of sawdust. That's okay though, mine is not square and is full of brains.

I took a poll and the consensus was that I am right. Maybe you will win next time if you just vote harder!
If yours had brains, you would see the flaws in your sociopolitical ideations. No sale.
 

Rob Roy

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If yours had brains, you would see the flaws in your sociopolitical ideations. No sale.
First things first. Peaceful people being assigned a leader / master is not consistent with justice.

If you want to evade that, well okay, go ahead and build your society on injustice / forcible hierarchy and end up where we presently are. Turmoil.

I do have brains, in a jar on my desk. Yum.
 

CatHedral

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First things first. Peaceful people being assigned a leader / master is not consistent with justice.

If you want to evade that, well okay, go ahead and build your society on injustice / forcible hierarchy and end up where we presently are. Turmoil.

I do have brains, in a jar on my desk. Yum.
You redefine the operative terms for personal advantage. No sale.
 

Rob Roy

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You redefine the operative terms for personal advantage. No sale.
Lame.

Default status of peaceful people is you get to chose yoiur own path. If that isn't the default status, what you have is a variant of rationalizations for forms of control that are or lead to slavery. No thanks.

My personal advantage is you don't own me and never will.
 

CatHedral

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Lame.

Default status of peaceful people is you get to chose yoiur own path. If that isn't the default status, what you have is a variant of rationalizations for forms of control that are or lead to slavery. No thanks.

My personal advantage is you don't own me and never will.
You seriously abuse that term.
 

mooray

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What language would we be talking? I am curious.
Tough to say, because of when this hypothetical cuts into history. Going way back, we'd have never taken this land from the native Americans and either have sought coexistence, or would have left when asked, because we wouldn't have imposed ourselves onto an otherwise peaceful group of people.

Regarding our personal lineage, we'd be either be speaking our ancestor's native language, or if our ancestors would have gone somewhere else, then we'd be speaking that language. Regarding the language of this land, I'm sure someone else would have taken this land from the Native Americans, in which case we'd be speaking their language.

We'd have never built enough infrastructure or technology to be where we're at, at any point in time, in which case any wars we've played a role in, would be greatly diminished, and I think it's pretty well accepted that the US played a very significant role in WWI/II, so those could have easily gone the other way.

What Rob wants is to have his cake and eat it too. He wants to enjoy the things that all of us slaves were forced to pay for, then he wants to say, "oh ok, now is the time to stop paying for stuff because I don't like it, but don't undo anything existing because I like it too much!!!", and of course he lacks the foresight to see how that would affect the future, but you only need to apply his ideologies to the past to see exactly how it would work out.
 

DaFreak

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You own your justly acquired property. I don't. I own my justly acquired property. You don't.
So since the land in America was stolen or they killed to get it what you call justly acquired is not really that is it? You decide to live your life on one set of lies is all.
 

Rob Roy

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So since the land in America was stolen or they killed to get it what you call justly acquired is not really that is it? You decide to live your life on one set of lies is all.
I am partly indigenous. Should I send my torso someplace else ?

I don't own any land, government owns all of it.
 
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