Induction Lights? The newest (supposedly) technology in Induction Grow Lights

Kite High

Kite High

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Chaz...I want you to peruse this...and anyone else and share please...thanx

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LED GROW LIGHT

$2,500.00
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If you don't see the size/style you'd like in the list, please call us at: 541.228.3650 for a quick quote

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Think you've seen everything in an LED Grow light? Think again! The LBI GL-700 utilizes 80watt high density arrays to create the perfect color mixing to deliver what plants need. Don't let anyone else fool you into thinking that because they use 3watt or 5watt chips, and use a bunch of them, that it's the same as using an 80watt array that puts out more light intensity than and HPS 1000watt unit!!
Our LED Grow Light is the result of years of research. Proprietary - high output LED arrays are tailored for optimal performance throughout the entire growth cycle. A self-monitoring thermal management system ensures optimal LED performance and longevity. The spectrum is well-balanced for all photosynthetically sensitive regions. A high-grade reflector collects all normally unused light and redirects it uniformly down to the grow area. This reflector system is a major difference between our light and the competition.
Download the LBI Grow Light Spec Here

APPLICATIONS:

• Indoor horticultural operations
• Greenhouses
BENEFITS:

• Efficient design, energy not wasted producing heat
• Only emits light plants can use
• One light needed for growing, flowering, and fruiting
• Reflector designed for peak efficiency
• Virtually maintenance free
FEATURES:

• Proprietary LED array
• Self-monitoring thermal management system
• Optimized light spectrum
• High intensity light output
• High performance reflector
• Long life design, over 50,000 hours
We are looking for a National and/or World Wide Distributor for this product. Please contact us for furthe

Thoughts?

http://www.lightbeaminc.com/collections/grow-lights/products/led-grow-light
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Kite High said:
Just received more info on this from the manufacturer

Thanks for contacting us about our GL-700 Series LED grow light.


I have included a Q and A sheet that answers most of your questions. Below are answers to your questions not covered by the sheet. The Q and A sheet is enclosed as an attachment.


Our GL-700 series uses eight, 80W arrays per growlight. Each 80W array consumes on average between 80W and 85W each. There is always a variation of power consumption due to the fact that not all LED dies have the exact same electrical characteristics even from the same batch. The total nominal power consumption is between 660W to 700W. Part of this is the power consumption by the LED arrays and the rest is due to the power supplies, drivers and cooling system. Again, there is a variation in power consumption due to the fact that different operating conditions will affect how hard the components will have to operate to maintain the various internal current and voltage levels.


I would like to make an additional comment about our reflector design and how it relates to umole measurements. I have seen a number of companies that have seemingly large umole readings for a certain Wattage of light, however, a large umole reading does not tell you the full story. It is far more informative to state anaverage umole value over the entire intended grow area, and furthermore, how uniform the illumination is over the intended grow area. The fact of the matter is that for a variety of growlights operating at a given power level, the total amount of emitted light will be roughly the same. How this light is distributed over a given grow area can vary greatly. The most desirable distribution of light is a uniform distribution that ensures that the plants near the edges and corners of the grow area are receiving just as much light as plants located directly in the center of the grow area. Our reflector design accomplishes this far better than any other growlight out on the market, however because of this, our umole readings reflect an average value that is less than values stated by other companies. If other companies were to state their measured values as average values, it would be similar to ours, and yet, our light would perform better due to the uniformity of illumination over the entire intended grow area.


We recommend our GL-700 light for grow areas measuring 4'X5'. We have had growers report success with both larger and smaller grow areas. Our measured average umole readings for various grow areas are as follows.


3'X4' grow area average umole value 410 umole
4'X5' grow area average umole value 246 umole
5'X6' grow area average umole value 164 umole






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chazbolin

chazbolin

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Kite I'll look at the specs a bit later. But can you or anyone else here tell me precisely what function the reflectors have, and I'm speaking industry wide grow lights not area lights and not just this light, when these diodes are forward projection optics?

Also I met a greenhouse grower over the weekend who had been running two LED panels that had quit working and he was blaming the fact that the panels used fans to cool the panels by exhausting air and pulling fresh air through a series of vents. He believed they failed due to moisture building up on the PC boards. I told him that was possible but that I wasn't sure so I bring it the forum. In a greenhouse where the opportunity to pull moist air into the vents exists, is an active cooling protocol really the best way to go?
 
Kite High

Kite High

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chazbolin said:
Kite I'll look at the specs a bit later. But can you or anyone else here tell me precisely what function the reflectors have, and I'm speaking industry wide grow lights not area lights and not just this light, when these diodes are forward projection optics?

Also I met a greenhouse grower over the weekend who had been running two LED panels that had quit working and he was blaming the fact that the panels used fans to cool the panels by exhausting air and pulling fresh air through a series of vents. He believed they failed due to moisture building up on the PC boards. I told him that was possible but that I wasn't sure so I bring it the forum. In a greenhouse where the opportunity to pull moist air into the vents exists is an active cooling protocol really the best way to go?
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more effective "blending" of the spectrums as look at the arrays...all are not pointed straight downward ...so blending as well as focusing is my thoughts on this one,,seems to be a large application version of the kessils by combining them into one fixture with higher power output as well

and if the proper spec'ed parts are used then active would be fine but so many are NOT using parts spec'ed for high humidity applications to cut cost even when selling at such atroious price levels
 
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ChesusRice

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Kite High said:
more effective "blending" of the spectrums as look at the arrays...all are not pointed straight downward ...so blending as well as focusing is my thoughts on this one,,seems to be a large application version of the kessils by combining them into one fixture with higher power output as well
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For 2500 bucks it should give me a blow job on saturdays
 
Kite High

Kite High

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ChesusRice said:
For 2500 bucks it should give me a blow job on saturdays
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Oh i will not buy any of this cutting / bleeding edge stuff....BUT this is more to my thinking of the design which would be applicable in my scenario so if and when proven and price structuring becomes mainstream then another option you know?
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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intuitively I would agree but why not just accomplish the same thing with a mixture of 60/90/120 degree optics? Also why would they give up intensity and spectrum absorption by putting glass/plastic over the diode? I've seen other threads, I believe it was one by stardust, where they proclaim that their diodes are unimpeded by glass/plastic covers? I'm no SSL expert so while these may seem elementary in nature I've been wondering without asking. Until now.
 
Kite High

Kite High

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chazbolin said:
Kite I'll look at the specs a bit later. But can you or anyone else here tell me precisely what function the reflectors have, and I'm speaking industry wide grow lights not area lights and not just this light, when these diodes are forward projection optics?

Also I met a greenhouse grower over the weekend who had been running two LED panels that had quit working and he was blaming the fact that the panels used fans to cool the panels by exhausting air and pulling fresh air through a series of vents. He believed they failed due to moisture building up on the PC boards. I told him that was possible but that I wasn't sure so I bring it the forum. In a greenhouse where the opportunity to pull moist air into the vents exists, is an active cooling protocol really the best way to go?
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I have enclosed our spectrum superimposed on an HPS spectrum. The data has been mutually normalized to show relative spectral output.

As for the effective penetration distance is concerned, I can describe the average photon flux at several distances measured from the bottom of the grow light enclosure. All of our starting measurements begin at a distance of 2' from the bottom of the grow light enclosure (3' from the LED emitters). This is the distance at which the illumination profile is well developed and is the closest distance that we recommend hanging the light over the canopy.


At 2 feet from the bottom of the enclosure we record 410 umole average.
At 3 feet from the bottom of the enclosure we record 246 umole average.
At 4 feet from the bottom of the enclosure we record 164 umole average.


 cant get the damned graph to copy...must be protected...no time to bust it now but there is great 00000000000000000060000030....-6600 0re0d0 co0ver0a0g0e00 and awes00000ome0 420 - 450 with output all all through the visible spectrum and low in green yellow
 
hyroot

hyroot

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[video=youtube;SBWi3NtND68]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBWi3NtND68&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]
 
chazbolin

chazbolin

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Hiya Hyroot! That soda bottle light is a great idea. 55 watts of free interior light, you get to repurpose a bottle that would probably not have been recycled, and it's providing jobs and better quality of life. If I had to pick on any aspect of these installs it would be my concern over how well the plastic holds up under intense UV and bleach. Also should these bottles break down and leak you have the bleach to deal with. But I'd have to say overall it looks like the positives outweigh the potential negatives. Hell I'd be more worried about getting electrocuted the way some of these countries don't have standards and will just lay live wire on these metal roofs (:49).


Hey Kite; On that LBI light I didn't see any spectral distribution graphs just the average uMole values over given areas. A review of the site shows even less information than you were able to post. So I guess I would have to ask why would you consider dropping $2500 on a product that doesn't appear to meet your own standards of due diligence? All this talk of proprietary diodes and spectrum's and patents is fine but there is no evidence of it on their site and no grow journals that I've been able to find that would support this kind of investment. It looks to be very well made but I'm left with the fundamental nagging doubts as to reflector values in SSL panels when diode optics can blend these spectrums as well as the inherent risk of an active cooling systems which is continuously pulling humid air across the internal components.

This reflector system is a major difference between our light and the competition.
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With a listed power consumption of between 600-700 watts, unless you're getting this light as a free of charge as an evaluation model, I'm not sure, given your penchant for HID and operations scale, where you'd find a practical use for it. You're just testing us to see if we're paying attention huh?
 
Kite High

Kite High

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I have the chart but its protected PDF n won't allow cut n paste. I am not looking to purchase it just that it looks like it is headed more to my way of thinking on these things. I will crack the protection for the graph when I get time. Preparing for a trip to Vegas this week so it's not a priority for me to at the moment. Lol. IOW seems more like a design that will lead or may already be useful in applications for the future. I know they are trying to keep hush about it which you are correct irks the fuck outta me but the design appeals to my interest. I am thinking it may even actually have penetration. It makes me think of it as 8 high powered Kessils on one unit. The kessil red and blue models I am thinking of testing to see if they continue ute enough to warrant their inclusion to my way of thing for blue and red enhancement. Their charts indicate a boost right where it needs to be so???

I do not waste $$$ on cutting/bleeding edge but there was enough difference in design to catch my eye and wanted input for discussion. Not as to whether I should buy or not. The pricing has very much insured that I will not. Lol. But seems to be headed in the direction of actually being a consideration with time, effectiveness and pricing structure needs to get realistic. For instance hid was priced higher in its breakout to growing than it is now all these years later.
 
SCARHOLE

SCARHOLE

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Beefbisquit said:
Does it cost extra to get him to squeal like a pig? lol
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Ned Batey was realy almost raped in that scene or somthing according to a Burt Reynalds Biography.
Guess the redneck in the scene really did something.
Ned tried hard to kill his ass after the scene was filmed in deliverence.
Lol




Hmmmmmmm
Would IR @700-720 & 750nm be of any use?
Why would Riant make it into there grow light?
I assume they Were they thinking the Ir would help flower similar to the pontoon....
 
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