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londonfog said:

You love making shit up. What about you is really real ?

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It's food stamp allotment every month and unclaimed income it never declared to keep receiving its welfare payments

Rob Roy said:

You are afraid to discuss what property is or isn't, which is why we can't have a real discussion.

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No, you got it all wrong. The way it actually goes is that you ask the same retarded rhetorical questions, I answer them and you repeat them again anyway. The reason that NOBODY on this site can have a real discussion with you is that you have right wing extremist views and believe that children can consent to have sex with adults and that liberty is about racial discrimination.

Lighten up on the right wing extremism dude.

Hillary knew it was mandatory to only use approved servers and what laws using an unauthorised server would break.

Flaming Pie said:

Look it up. She was handling ALL her state business from a server at her home and the state department did not approve of her doing that.

She handles sensitive security information. That was her job. The government has special encrypted servers to keep the information safe. It is also mandatory that the government have all documents on that server so that they can keep track of communications.

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so, what is she charged with doing?

Michael Huntherz said:

Benghazi is a ridiculous canard. If you want to know how deep the rabbit hole actually is, read this: She's a serious financial criminal, just for starters. This book was published in 1995 when a few of you were still shitting your diapers, I'm betting. Not saying there's anything wrong with being young, just that there's a whole lot of modern history hiding in the shadows that you may not have read.

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Seems like there isn't one of you who actually knows what the fuck is up with the Clintons, on either side of this discussion. I respect a number of you, but the truth is much darker than you imagine, and it proves Republicans and Democrats are on the same team. And that team doesn't give a fuck about you.

Y'all should do some fucking research instead of arguing on the internet like you know what the fuck is going on. You don't. I love you all, but you don't know the real story (inasmuch as it can be known); Stop pretending you do and go read your balls and/or titties off for a few years and get back to me. If you would like a list of reading suggestions I would be glad to provide one. The thing is, you have to read the books of your 'enemies', too, not just the people you agree with.

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Thank you for the reading assignment. I'll check back in with you in about 10 years when I'm done with every book about the Clintons.

Perhaps you can tell me what Hillary has been charged with?

Flaming Pie said:

Hillary knew it was mandatory to only use approved servers and what laws using an unauthorised server would break.

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You can read her mind? This is a common claim among the right. NLX does the same thing. He claimed he could read the minds of the people in Baltimore and said they were going to burn the city down last Monday night. He even explained their reasoning and some of the people on the right thought it was a good idea. Too funny that.

londonfog said:

You love making shit up. What about you is really real ?

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I hate the idea of defending Pie, but you don't think she signed non-disclosure documents?

Fogdog said:

Thank you for the reading assignment. I'll check back in with you in about 10 years when I'm done with every book about the Clintons.

Perhaps you can tell me what Hillary has been charged with?

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Just because she hasn't been charged doesn't mean she isn't guilty, it means she's a very successful criminal. If you don't know off the top of your head what Hillary's old job at Rose Law Firm, Webb Hubbell, Susan and Jim McDougal, Bud McFarlane, Barry Seal, Oliver North, Mena Arkansas, and Nicaraguan Sandinistas all have in common, relative to the history of Arkansas in the 1980's and Iran Contra (Hint; George H.W. Bush) then there's a long way to go before I can convince you of anything. I'm asking people to do real research. That book isn't about the Clintons, it is about a well-documented and relatively vast criminal conspiracy. I didn't make up Iran-Contra or Whitewater, I just did the research.

I know that is a lot to try to take in, and I don't expect anyone to read all the books, but I actually have read a large number of them, and thousands of magazine and newspaper articles, and thousands of pages of congressional testimony obtained by FOIA requests filed by myself and others.

I just get bent because I've got twenty years of research of modern history under my belt and I feel like the conversation we have is simply futile because it isn't addressing the root cause, it doesn't even identify root causes.
We just keep fighting with one another while the ruling class keep going to the bank. (among other things)

Not everyone is an authority on everything. I don't know jack shit about aeronautics or neurology, but I could probably argue on the internet like I did. We should try not to be silly like that and just talk about what we believe we really know, in specific.

Sincerely, I know I'm an asshole for giving everyone homework. I'm a fucking douche like that, and tend to be over-serious on some days. I can come off as arrogant and self-righteous, but I try to be careful in how I word things so the point gets through. Be mad at me, everyone, then read my post a second time when you're not so mad and let your curiosity guide you to doing your own research. One love and shit, mah bitches.

Michael Huntherz said:

Just because she hasn't been charged doesn't mean she isn't guilty, it means she's a very successful criminal. If you don't know off the top of your head what Rose Law Firm, Webb Hubbell, Susan and Jim McDougal, Bud McFarlane, Barry Seal, Oliver North, Mena Arkansas, and Nicaraguan Sandinistas all have in common, relative to the history of Arkansas in the 1980's and Iran Contra (Hint; George H.W. Bush) then there's a long way to go before I can convince you of anything. I'm asking people to do real research. That book isn't about the Clintons, it is about a well-documented and relatively vast criminal conspiracy. I didn't make up Iran-Contra or Whitewater, I just did the research.

I know that is a lot to try to take in, and I don't expect anyone to actually do it, but I actually have.

I just get bent because I've got twenty years of research of modern history under my belt and I feel like the conversation we have is simply futile because it isn't addressing the root cause, it doesn't even identify root causes.
We just keep fighting with one another while the ruling class keep going to the bank. (among other things)

Not everyone is an authority on everything. I don't know jack shit about aeronautics or neurology, but I could probably argue on the internet like I did. We should try not to be silly like that and just talk about what we believe we really know, in specific.

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OK, so I don't support Hillary right now. I'm in Bernie's camp and waiting to see what Hillary comes up with. Trump is not an option for me. Is this at all representative of where you are at? Given the current options, what are you thinking of doing in the Fall?

I'm hoping you don't say I should vote libertarian.

Michael Huntherz said:

Skillfully avoiding anything I said, as usual. Even my real life friends ignore me, most of the shit I post is too real, and it bums people out, so they just pretend it isn't so. Acknowledge she's the lesser of two extreme evils, at the very least, or I will consider you a coward. You are one of the people I indicated I respect, but ignoring the giant elephant I posted in this particular room is sort of chicken-shit. Maybe you're working on a response now, I don't know. I remain interested to hear your thoughts on what I wrote. I guess I should qualify my statement; If you aren't aware of the allegations in the book I posted recently then you probably don't have enough context to comment on how much of that book is true. There's a framework of awareness necessary to comprehend the big picture and, in my experience, there are startlingly few people willing to do the original research necessary to obtain a rudimentary understanding of the state of our planet's history and geo-politics at the present time. Most arguments I see, regardless of ideology, are skimming the surface of a very deep ocean of information with virtually no regard to historical context.

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I cant fucking stand her. I have stated it many times. You sure you are addressing the right person?
Other than that. I'm voting for whoever the democratic nominee is in November.

Your book? Don't care. I'm sure its part truth part fiction.

Fogdog said:

OK, so I don't support Hillary right now. I'm in Bernie's camp and waiting to see what Hillary comes up with. Trump is not an option for me. Is this at all representative of where you are at? Given the current options, what are you thinking of doing in the Fall?

I'm hoping you don't say I should vote libertarian.

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lol no way, no libertardians. Although many years ago I thought I was a libertarian for a minute, I got better. Libertarianism is anarchy in a costume. I wish I had some good advice on what to do in November, I'm stymied. Honest to fuck, I have no idea what I am going to do. I might even end up voting for the rotten cunt. I might write "Bernard Sanders" in. I might abstain, because the system is obviously, and I can support this with some math, rigged. Hillary will be the next president. I want to have a more honest discussion about what the problems in our country really are. Do what thou wilt, but let's have a clear conversation instead of letting the two-party shitbags tell us what to argue about. Let's change the system by changing the conversation.

ChesusRice said:

I cant fucking stand her. I have stated it many times. You sure you are addressing the right person?
Other than that. I'm voting for whoever the democratic nominee is in November.

Your book? Don't care. I'm sure its part truth part fiction.

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Pretty much everything is. And if you never read it you won't ever have to discern for yourself which part is which. I've read a couple more than one book, but I hear what you're saying. I wasn't saying you were avoiding specifically, just that everyone tends to avoid me when I cast "Wall of Text" 9th Level. It is definitely at least partly my own fault. I'm no fun at parties, ask @ttystikk

Michael Huntherz said:

lol no way, no libertardians. Although many years ago I thought I was a libertarian for a minute, I got better. Libertarianism is anarchy in a costume. I wish I had some good advice on what to do in November, I'm stymied. Honest to fuck, I have no idea what I am going to do. I might even end up voting for the rotten cunt. I might write "Bernard Sanders" in. I might abstain, because the system is obviously, and I can support this with some math, rigged. Hillary will be the next president. I want to have a more honest discussion about what the problems in our country really are. Do what thou wilt, but let's have a clear conversation instead of letting the two-party shitbags tell us what to argue about. Let's change the system by changing the conversation.

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It sounds as if we are using the same line of thinking.

Its quite likely that Trump will be trounced in Oregon. Close to the election date, if the Democratic Party nominee is well ahead of Trump and that nominee is named Hillary Clinton then I'll cast a protest vote. If it's close then I'll have to think harder on the subject. This is chickenshit of me, that it is.

As far as Hillary's culpability in Iran Contra goes, that seems a stretch but OK. Whitewater and some ag. futures scandals surrounding Hillary seems a bit thin to me but I only need to point to her opponent and ask who is worse? Sure change the conversation but we won't have much chance to do that with the Orange One in office.

Flaming Pie said:

Look it up. She was handling ALL her state business from a server at her home and the state department did not approve of her doing that.

She handles sensitive security information. That was her job. The government has special encrypted servers to keep the information safe. It is also mandatory that the government have all documents on that server so that they can keep track of communications.

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so you wanna place a wager on it since you are so sure?

Fogdog said:

I hate the idea of defending Pie, but you don't think she signed non-disclosure documents?

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I'm talking about other shit I'm starting to realize about Pie the LIE

Fogdog said:

It sounds as if we are using the same line of thinking.

Its quite likely that Trump will be trounced in Oregon. Close to the election date, if the Democratic Party nominee is well ahead of Trump and that nominee is named Hillary Clinton then I'll cast a protest vote. If it's close then I'll have to think harder on the subject. This is chickenshit of me, that it is.

As far as Hillary's culpability in Iran Contra goes, that seems a stretch but OK. Whitewater and some ag. futures scandals surrounding Hillary seems a bit thin to me but I only need to point to her opponent and ask who is worse? Sure change the conversation but we won't have much chance to do that with the Orange One in office.

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Sounds reasonable. I would say my accusations feel flimsy only because they are new to you and you can't see a path from here to there. I don't blame you for that, not at all. It is a tangled web, the Contra-Whitewater scandal.

The entire establishment would be damned if the public were widely aware of what went really down with the Contras, cocaine, Arkansas and the CIA back in the 80's, so it is in their interests, Red or Blue, to keep that shit hush hush. I'm trying to lift the veil on it one stoner at a time. If a single person gets interested in this subject as a result of my ranting then I consider it worth my efforts, and the suffering of everyone on this thread.

Fogdog said:

It sounds as if we are using the same line of thinking.

Its quite likely that Trump will be trounced in Oregon. Close to the election date, if the Democratic Party nominee is well ahead of Trump and that nominee is named Hillary Clinton then I'll cast a protest vote. If it's close then I'll have to think harder on the subject. This is chickenshit of me, that it is.

As far as Hillary's culpability in Iran Contra goes, that seems a stretch but OK. Whitewater and some ag. futures scandals surrounding Hillary seems a bit thin to me but I only need to point to her opponent and ask who is worse? Sure change the conversation but we won't have much chance to do that with the Orange One in office.

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She made out like a bandit in futures

abandonconflict said:

I remember when you used to swear up and down you were a libertarian.

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People are allowed to change their minds when new facts are presented.

ChesusRice said:

She made out like a bandit in futures

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Are you proud of this accomplishment?

Michael Huntherz said:

Sounds reasonable. I would say my accusations feel flimsy only because they are new to you and you can't see a path from here to there. I don't blame you for that, not at all. It is a tangled web, the Contra-Whitewater scandal.

The entire establishment would be damned if the public were widely aware of what went really down with the Contras, cocaine, Arkansas and the CIA back in the 80's, so it is in their interests, Red or Blue, to keep that shit hush hush. I'm trying to lift the veil on it one stoner at a time. If a single person gets interested in this subject as a result of my ranting then I consider it worth my efforts, and the suffering of everyone on this thread.

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I think you assume too much. The strangest things become important and really big shit gets ignored. Bay of Pigs incident was ginned up and nobody seems to care, for instance. The problem I have with old accusations like this is, so what? Not knowing what the accusation is that applies to Hillary regarding the Arkansas deal cut between Bill and the CIA, I'm at a loss to discuss it. But, it was like 30 years ago and Hillary wasn't holding office back then. The whole Iran Contra scandal was a non-starter when it broke and it was discussed in detail when the final reports came out. Bush 1 was completely involved and he was our President at the time. Pie-equivalents weren't shouting for GHB's head. But don't lie about messing around with an intern, oh my gawd!

The Lewinsky thing was as old of a scandal as can be, and a bit ridiculous to expect a married man to tell the truth about it when he clearly had lied to his wife. Not saying it was OK but compare the offense that got Bill impeached with Iran Contra scandal and I fail to understand why people went "meh" about deliberately breaking the law to run guns to death squads in Nicaragua. And giving access and protection to cocaine smugglers while filling up the jails with people selling or using the drug that the CIA was complicit in is also a well documented scandal dating back the a San Jose Mercury News story that broke in the early 1990's. But don't touch that intern and lie about it, oh my gawd.

Whitewater, Foster's suicide, that futures thing, the lie about "mortal danger" on the tarmac in Bosnia, they all were shoved down our collective throats by right wingers who hated Hillary from the day she became a competent lawyer. None have stuck. Maybe there's something there but you'd think her opponents would have done better with those scandals if they found anything real. To say that nothing has stuck is proof of a conspiracy (not saying you are but some do) is a real reach.

So, no, you haven't shocked me with this scandal. If you managed to get it brought back to the headlines, I don't think you'd rock this nation and change history going forward.

For myself, I want to see the charges before I'll go off about the e-mail scandal too.