If Tax cuts create jobs

ink the world · Aug 22, 2012

Cmon man, they were struggling; times were hard for the Romneys. Anne had only 1 Cadillac and a single story garage back then.

It's funny to watch people defend a candidate and his policies that are in direct conflict with their own personal interests and needs. Freaking lemmings, just put an R next to the name on the ballot and that's all they need to see.

ink the world · Aug 22, 2012

Fucking foxes!!!

Just lost a chicken that was free ranging to a fox. Goddamnit, loading the rifle and sitting on the deck this AM now.

MellowFarmer · Aug 22, 2012

ChesusRice said:
whiny
crying
little bitch

Sorry society isnt ala carte
Lots of shit you have taken advantage of I wouldnt want to pay for either
But guess what
I do anyways
Do you even have a job?
Who would hire you?

I think you may be missing a main point. He doesn't want to pay taxes for things like bombing brown folks that the majority of the other tax payers didn't want to happen or where not given the correct information.

MellowFarmer · Aug 22, 2012

UncleBuck said:
OMFG so you are forced to keep signing W4s that you voluntarily signed? you are forced to keep running a business that you voluntarily chose to start?

rethink your entire philosophy and start again.

That's funny because if it were a Business contract he could claim it invalid because he signed the W4 out of duress. The choice is between having a job or not having a job aka being able to afford food, clothing and shelter or sleeping on the street with his hand out begging or finding a job that is under the table making him a criminal.

MellowFarmer · Aug 22, 2012

InCognition said:
The fact is, one should be responsible for saving for their own retirement, and only their retirement, period.

No one has a right to have a family, a house, cars, insurance policies, vacations, college educations (kids included), that they can not afford. If one chooses one of these via their practice of financial irresponsibility, they should suffer the repercussions.

Raising the age only makes sense, in the sense that it needs to be done in order for the program to be sustainable, even though it's currently broken well beyond any degree of "sustainability". Ultimately raising the age is a robbery committed by the government, which benefits the baby-boomers, while the generations that are below them suffer the consequences of this robbery.

Raising the age is a solution to possibly fixing the already broken program, but it's still not ethical based on the pure fundamentals of what's stated above. What would be ethical, would be to just disassemble SS all together. Save for your own retirement, or suffer the consequences... it's no one else's job to foot the bill of retirees, especially if they have squandered their money prior to retirement. That's called a subsidization of irresponsibility which always leads to problems.

Your argument makes a lot of sense however it is not only them who suffer the consequences. I think a safety net for all ages is needed and worth my tax money for this one huge and selfish reason. I hate crime and walking past bums on the street. It is proven by numerous studies and just by looking at statistics that societies that do have a safety net are much safer and all around nicer places to live. There is also much more crime when the economy is bad. People do all sorts of things they normally wouldn't out of need. Walt on Breaking Bad is a perfect example.

Grandpapy · Aug 22, 2012

ink the world said:
Fucking foxes!!!

Just lost a chicken that was free ranging to a fox. Goddamnit, loading the rifle and sitting on the deck this AM now.

Chicken=750,000 voters?
fox=Republicans?
I've lost chickens, it's like getting your weed stolen, sucks. Good luck with the fox.

canndo · Aug 22, 2012

cannabineer said:
Methane has an atmospheric half-life of about eight years. Its potency as a greenhouse gas is somewhat balanced by its brief persistence, compared to CO2 and CFCs. cn

In the atmosphere, methane (CH4) reacts with -OH radicals to create carbon dioxide (CO2) and water vapor (H2O). Typically, this reaction is fast enough to remove newly released methane in less than 10 years. (This implies a half-life of one to two years.) However, if the amount of methane significantly exceeds the number of OH radicals, then the reaction is limited by the rate of radical -OH creation. This is one of the trigger conditions where the normal feedback no longer works and a different mechanism is used.

So we still are left with two greenhouse gases.

cannabineer · Aug 22, 2012

canndo said:
In the atmosphere, methane (CH4) reacts with -OH radicals to create carbon dioxide (CO2) and water vapor (H2O). Typically, this reaction is fast enough to remove newly released methane in less than 10 years. (This implies a half-life of one to two years.) However, if the amount of methane significantly exceeds the number of OH radicals, then the reaction is limited by the rate of radical -OH creation. This is one of the trigger conditions where the normal feedback no longer works and a different mechanism is used.

So we still are left with two greenhouse gases.

That could be my mistake. Wiki assigned methane an atmospheric "lifetime" of 8.4 years, but "lifetime" is a useless concept for a material undergoing exponential decay. i reflexively changed it to half-life.
So I went back and found this: a half-life estimate of seven years in the troposphere.
http://phys.org/tags/methane/
So I could be wrong about being wrong.
cn

beenthere · Aug 22, 2012

ink the world said:
Cmon man, they were struggling; times were hard for the Romneys. Anne had only 1 Cadillac and a single story garage back then.

It's funny to watch people defend a candidate and his policies that are in direct conflict with their own personal interests and needs. Freaking lemmings, just put an R next to the name on the ballot and that's all they need to see.

How in the hell are Romneys policies in conflict with anyone's own interest?
Are your interests jealousy or envy?

RyanTheRhino · Aug 22, 2012

cannabineer said:
That could be my mistake. Wiki assigned methane an atmospheric "lifetime" of 8.4 years, but "lifetime" is a useless concept for a material undergoing exponential decay. i reflexively changed it to half-life.
So I went back and found this: a half-life estimate of seven years in the troposphere.
http://phys.org/tags/methane/
So I could be wrong about being wrong.

cn

I second the use of half life in that scenario

ink the world · Aug 23, 2012

beenthere said:
How in the hell are Romneys policies in conflict with anyone's own interest?
Are your interests jealousy or envy?

I oppose upwards wealth redistribution, Romney champions that cause.

Romney wants to ban abortion
Romney opposes MMJ
Romney wants war with Iran
The GOP is suppressing voter rights
Opposition to equal pay for women

Need more?

beenthere · Aug 23, 2012

ink the world said:
I oppose upwards wealth redistribution, Romney champions that cause.

Romney wants to ban abortion
Romney opposes MMJ
Romney wants war with Iran
The GOP is suppressing voter rights
Opposition to equal pay for women

Need more?

Upward wealth redistribution? LOL
To redistribute wealth, one must first own the wealth!
Other than Romney opposing MMJ, which at least he is up front and honest about, unlike the liar Obama, the rest of your claims are FOS, just like you.

NLXSK1 · Aug 23, 2012

Opposition to equal pay for women

What does this even mean?

People are paid by their abilities, not their gender. I cannot even begin to imagine the nightmare if the federal government started deciding who was to be paid what based on gender fairness.

nontheist · Aug 23, 2012

ink the world said:
I oppose upwards wealth redistribution, Romney champions that cause.

Romney wants to ban abortion
Romney opposes MMJ
Romney wants war with Iran
The GOP is suppressing voter rights
Opposition to equal pay for women

Need more?

Romney wants to ban abortion
In case you haven't been paying attention, this number is going to opposite way. Since 2009 more people are pro-life than pro-choice and the number gains every year. Both sides make good arguments, hence a very divisive issue.

Romney opposes MMJ
Yep, so does Obama so when comparing the two this shouldn't even be mentioned unless you're a Ron Paul supporter

Romney wants war with Iran
Honestly I don't think we can avoid this one, and if we do Asia will be the next superpower. Israel will drag us in, its almost a guarantee.

The GOP is suppressing voter rights
Bullshit, 74% of Americans think we should require a government issue picture ID. The people are behind this law/laws

Opposition to equal pay for women
Another cluster fuck for the government to create. You're talking about the same people that can't manage taxes, balance a budget, or even make sense half the time and you think they can do this? NAACP for women and you tell me Obama us for bringing is together?

Rob Roy · Aug 23, 2012

ink the world said:
I oppose upwards wealth redistribution, Romney champions that cause.

Romney wants to ban abortion
Romney opposes MMJ
Romney wants war with Iran
The GOP is suppressing voter rights
Opposition to equal pay for women

Need more?

Wouldn't it be better to be consistent and oppose "forced wealth redistribution" of ANY kind ?

Antidisestablishmentarian · Aug 23, 2012

The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act doesn't provide equal pay for women. It extends the statute of limitations so to speak on when they can sue.

Equal pay for women was already supposed to be happening.

Rob Roy · Aug 23, 2012

Antidisestablishmentarian said:
The Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act doesn't provide equal pay for women. It extends the statute of limitations so to speak on when they can sue.

Equal pay for women was already supposed to be happening.

Shouldn't the amount of pay a person gets be determined between the parties to the contract and only them? IE, the party DOING the work and the party that hired them?

Why would somebody want a THIRD party to determine how they will act and how much they will be compensated for it ? Telling others what they must do ? That's the same business model employed by pot prohibitionists isn't it ?

canndo · Aug 23, 2012

beenthere said:
Upward wealth redistribution? LOL
To redistribute wealth, one must first own the wealth!
Other than Romney opposing MMJ, which at least he is up front and honest about, unlike the liar Obama, the rest of your claims are FOS, just like you.

You presume that the middle class owns no wealth?

Romeny has stated that he would sign a bill prohibitin abortions - so that one is not FOS
Romney has not stated he wants war with Iran but he has stated he is willing to use force to prevent them from gaining nuclear weapons - so this statement is not quite FOS
The GOP is indeed supressing voter rights, regardless of your perceptions otherwise - that one is not FOS
Romney has never stated that he is opposed to equal pay for women and I have not seen any evidence that he opposes such a thing - so it may well be FOS

I suggest you keep up with your candidate so that you will know exactly what you are voting for Beenthere.

canndo · Aug 23, 2012

NLXSK1 said:
What does this even mean?

People are paid by their abilities, not their gender. I cannot even begin to imagine the nightmare if the federal government started deciding who was to be paid what based on gender fairness.

You are unfamiliar with this country's long history of unequal pay between men and women doing identical jobs NL?

canndo · Aug 23, 2012

nontheist said:
Romney wants to ban abortion
In case you haven't been paying attention, this number is going to opposite way. Since 2009 more people are pro-life than pro-choice and the number gains every year. Both sides make good arguments, hence a very divisive issue.

Romney opposes MMJ
Yep, so does Obama so when comparing the two this shouldn't even be mentioned unless you're a Ron Paul supporter

Romney wants war with Iran
Honestly I don't think we can avoid this one, and if we do Asia will be the next superpower. Israel will drag us in, its almost a guarantee.

The GOP is suppressing voter rights
Bullshit, 74% of Americans think we should require a government issue picture ID. The people are behind this law/laws

Opposition to equal pay for women
Another cluster fuck for the government to create. You're talking about the same people that can't manage taxes, balance a budget, or even make sense half the time and you think they can do this? NAACP for women and you tell me Obama us for bringing is together?

In two cases, nothiest, you evade the point. Romney does indeed wish to ban abortions, regardless of what the polls say, Romney does wish to do this.

The GOP suppressing voter rights is hardly bullshit, regardless, again, of how many Americans believe we should require ID. The two points do not relate and contrary to the naysayers here there is plenty of evidence that the GOP does indeed intend to suppress voting.

Now how exactly might you reverse a systemic disparity of pay between men and women?

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