If Tax cuts create jobs

By law, Oil Development Companies can only vent so much natural gas to order to recover oil from a well, In the 80's western ND skies would glow Orange
from all the natural gas being burned to recover oil. In some cases the wells are better suited as gas development instead of oil. The state was forced close many wells because they would vent and burn 10 times as much gas for just a barrel of oil. (talk about pissed off field reps.!)

As a result Oil Companies drag their feet and really are just annoyed that they even have to deal with the gas.
If they had a proactive mindset of getting every available BTU from the wells, Natural Gas would be free. After all how much did they pay for that lease.??

Oil Companies pay very little for a lease, and in the gulf, nothing at all. At least Shell (A Dutch Co.) voluntary pays the US gov a recovery or extraction tax on each barrel recovered.

In the last 10 years The oil sector has laid off over 11,000 employees.

Feel safe and protected?
Truck Drivers working for Haliburton and other Oilfield Service are exempt from DOT rules of hours driven. I have worked 36 hours on location only to have to drive 230 miles to the next job.

Oh and I do have a hard on for Haliburton, They laid of my father 2 days before he was to be vested in the company. (6 years 350days).
They are just selfish bitches.

Rob Roy said:

I want to pay for what I use. I don't want to for myself or make others pay for that which they don't use and did not consensually agree to.

Are you okay with paying for bombs to kill people? Drug dogs ? DO you willingly pay for this?

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Rob, I have been thinking a lot about your philosophy, it interests me. What is your understanding of the concept of duty? Mine is this. I have a duty to myself, then to my family, then to my religion (should I have one), then to my community, then to my country and finally to my planet.

Do you believe in the concept of duty?

Rob Roy said:

The most negative "transaction" is the one that involves force though right? For instance when two parties willingly make an exchange you have free interaction....a consensual exchange. When one party imposes its will on another...what do you have? Who uses the business model where one party is powerless to withdraw from the interaction ? Rapists, mafia, thieves, government....

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You are presuming that there are no tacit agreements. Any intelligent and aware person knows that there are as many tacit or "understood" agreements in life as there are concious ones. You have a great deal of power in every arrangement you make with this government, those agreements are implicit in the U.S. Constitution. In return for your government acknowleging and protecting your basic rights, you are to agree to certain things, one of those things is that you have given up your right to determine and agree with every action government, along with your personal influence, shall be paid for. Should the government do something that is unacceptable to you, you have the right to exert your political power to alter.

It may not be much, but what you receive in return is far more than what is required of you. I can't understand why you have so much of a problem with this tacit agreement. The absolute option is, in this country, still yours, should you find the agreement unacceptable you have the right to leave (I am not inviting you to do so Rob, I don't like that tack when others do it).

beenthere said:

So the argument is settled because you claim that you CAN prove your assertions? LOL Then my answer to you is, I can prove my assertions whereupon you cannot!



With all due respect canndo, don't you think you're being a bit presumptuous not backing up your own claim while giving me an assignment! LOL



Already gave you my answer bro, it was the same answer you gave me, "I don't know." You remember?

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Beenthere - I usually either go elsewhere, read a book or actually work for 3 or 4 days a week. During that time I don't post here. Much as I would like to sit here and smoke cigars in the cool morning breeze while discussing current events and ideology with you, I have other things that are more important though less enjoyable. In so doing I tend to lose the thread of our debates. I don't recall what it was that I was so confident I could prove. So far as my being presumptuous, I may well be. If we restart, perhaps I can offer you what I promised and perhaps you could do the same. I don't know, no fault on you if you do not.

Sorry about the Ohio thing - of course it has gotten worse - it seems that two Dem election officials in Ohio have been fired because they refused to alter voting times in their jurisdiction. Further, a non-elected consultant has come out and stated that the purpose of the time changes was to inhibit the voting rights of minorities. More evidence that Republicans are indeed attempting to alter the election by subterfuge. I believe you to be a patriotic American Beenthere, and I can't see how you could possibly accept the actions of that party. Have you a comment?

spandy said:

Not bingo, both sides are to blame. Fuck both those putos

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Perhaps, but not equaly. Republican tribalism and the concomitant obstructionism they are applying is far more weighing on the future of this republic than Dems spinelessness and ineptitude.

ChesusRice said:

notice the lack of any babble about the XL pipeline in recent weeks
Even as gasoline prices have gone up

Do you know the reason for both?

Small gasoline pipeline burst in Jackson, Wisconsin permanently poisoning dozens of wells

And

The XL pipeline proposed route
Puts it over one of the worlds largest supplies of underground freshwater

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The proposed route was changed Ches. There was too much flack about water so they sent it in a different direction. I know the pipeline is a point of contentions and the right seems to believe that it would give us more jobs and lower oil prices but neither is true. I am amazed that the right, with it's ideas of soverign soil are perfectly willing to let a foreign company send this slop through pipes on eminant domain corredores without even understanding the particulars. Again, it goes to demonstrate that the right is purposefully divorced from reality. It holds that because they honestly want the pipeline to never leak, create jobs and reduce the price of fuel, because they genuinely wish it to be so - -then it must be. sort of like their believing that rape does not cause babies.

beenthere said:

Then quit being a hypocrite and sell the cars or trucks you own and ride a bicycle, other wise you're not part of your own solution, you're part of the problem.

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What? because he doesn't want a pipeline that will do little for the economy, he is being a hipocrite by driving? It is this all or nothing assertions that currently has congress at a stand still. Why can't he insist on safer and more productive energy without having to forgo the advantages we all share?


I could as well say to you that you should be made to breath tainted air and drink soiled water if you insist on driving your pickup.

ChesusRice said:

Powerplants and infrastructure are swtiching over to natural gas
Which is a whole new level of enviromental fail

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There are a few issues with natural gas but they are far more solveable than using any other petro energy source. Burning Natgas yields half the carbon footprint of oil. But natgas itself is a far more potent greenhouse gas than co2. We can reduce leaks and the results of fracking because they are not inherent in the process like burning fossil fuels. Still, it is nasty stuff.

Where I live we have had the most hot and humid weather in history. If this is the harbinger of things to come, if this drought is helped along by global warming - and many believe it is, then the only satisfaction at all will be "I told you so". This sort of weather is fucking miserable, it has all but ruined my tomatoes, it requires more air conditioning, which in turn creates more co2 which in turn worsens the problem. I assure you, unless we can change our ways in short order, many of you nay sayers will be very very sorry you obstructed and obfuscated for so long.

canndo said:

Rob, I have been thinking a lot about your philosophy, it interests me. What is your understanding of the concept of duty? Mine is this. I have a duty to myself, then to my family, then to my religion (should I have one), then to my community, then to my country and finally to my planet.

Do you believe in the concept of duty?

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You have never sent me a check. Do your duty and send me some cash!!!

beenthere said:

I'd like to know what all these lefties are doing to help their cause. Are they riding a bicycle or walking to work, what are the heating their homes with, how are they getting the electricity to run the computers they are using to protest fossil fuels?

Their all just a bunch of big mouth hypocrites with no solutions!

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There are any numbers of solutions the "looney left" has proposed. The first and best is a tax on gasoline with the money directed to alternatives, the next is biofuels, the next is wind, wave, geothermal, and solar but you folks either "don't believe in it" (get a horse), or you don't want to jump start it and would rather rag on a President who is trying.

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LOL!! The history of what? Your puny life? The history since they started measuring temperature 300 years ago? What history?

because you can guarantee that the area you live at has been much hotter and much cooler than you realize...

NLXSK1 said:

You have never sent me a check. Do your duty and send me some cash!!!

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Explain why that is my duty and I will transfer funds.

canndo said:

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What? because he doesn't want a pipeline that will do little for the economy, he is being a hipocrite by driving? It is this all or nothing assertions that currently has congress at a stand still. Why can't he insist on safer and more productive energy without having to forgo the advantages we all share?


I could as well say to you that you should be made to breath tainted air and drink soiled water if you insist on driving your pickup.

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No, because he is blocking supply and demand.

NLXSK1 said:

LOL!! The history of what? Your puny life? The history since they started measuring temperature 300 years ago? What history?

because you can guarantee that the area you live at has been much hotter and much cooler than you realize...

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Human history is all we care about. It is nice to have a view of natural history that is millions of years wide but that isn't the point. Are you going to try to convince folks that in spite of all the scientific understanding of our current plight - the warming trend just happened? or that it just happened to correspond to the CO2 increase and our buring of fossil fuels? Occum's razor says you are likely wrong.

NLXSK1 said:

No, because he is blocking supply and demand.

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Supply and demand of what? man created climate change? As I said, the pipeline will do little for us as citizens. We have the right to insist that our need for energy be tempered with safety.

We hired a guy last week. Real smart guy. He hadn't worked in the last 2 years. The facts are. Jobs are available. People just don't want to work them

ChesusRice said:

We hired a guy last week. Real smart guy. He hadn't worked in the last 2 years. The facts are. Jobs are available. People just don't want to work them

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But, prior to 08, they did? Because you saw someone hired does not mean jobs are out there in abundance, only that you saw somenone hired. My wife is a manager of a heavy equipment rental yard. She saw the leading edge of the crash 6 months before it hit - hers is a miner's canary industry. Her business ticked up this spring but not much. Unemployment in our area is still in the 10 percent range, there are a few jobs, mostly low wage positions and even they are quickly snapped up.

Anyone who's benefits are about to run out, or who can no longer afford their cobra or who are seeing the last of their savings drain into their underwater morgages "want to work".

canndo said:

Unemployment in our area is still in the 10 percent range, there are a few jobs, mostly low wage positions and even they are quickly snapped up.

Anyone who's benefits are about to run out, or who can no longer afford their cobra or who are seeing the last of their savings drain into their underwater morgages "want to work".

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Yep, $38000 in med bills (after ins payments) my savings, 8 mo of PT, home into foreclosure, and in need of another surgery that I now cannot afford, but I am un-able to get even temp. assistance because of owned assets, now those assets have been for sale on the market for 4 months now. Once they sell for the value SS says they are worth, and I have used those funds over the time SS says it should last, then I will be able to get some help. About 11 more months.
But until then, I go without the meds that will get me back to health and making money.
I would take most any job, but mind you, I'm 53, cannot stand for more then 20 min (knee replacement) nor walk more then 200yds without stopping for 30-40 seconds. Cannot lift my arms above my head (torn tendons form Antibiotics).
But hey! I'm growing some killer weed!
I would much rather be making a living as a Millwright. But really willing to do what ever I can find.

canndo said:

Human history is all we care about. It is nice to have a view of natural history that is millions of years wide but that isn't the point. Are you going to try to convince folks that in spite of all the scientific understanding of our current plight - the warming trend just happened? or that it just happened to correspond to the CO2 increase and our buring of fossil fuels? Occum's razor says you are likely wrong.

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No, what I am going to say is that it fits perfectly into the proven heating and cooling graph of the earth over millions of years.

I like it warm, we are headed for an ice age lasting thousands of years. I am really glad I was alive right now...

And BTW *Occam's* razor says you are an idiot...