I think flushing is a myth heres why

Bakatare666 said:

"Veg to flower"?
Do you mean that contrary to what we're accustomed to, the plants don't use a bunch of N at the switch for the growth spurt?

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I thought the same thing, i know the plants use lots of N during the stretch. Thats why i was asking if thats a trick to hasten the flower production instead of leaf and stem growth. Idk?

Ninjabowler said:

I thought the same thing, i know the plants use lots of N during the stretch. Thats why i was asking if thats a trick to hasten the flower production instead of leaf and stem growth. Idk?

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IMHO substantial N is required in the stretch - that 2ish week period produces much vegetation (20 - 25 %?) & we all know that the primary building block for that is N.

Though for the record I'm a SS guy & I don't screw around with too many nutes.

GreatwhiteNorth said:

IMHO substantial N is required in the stretch - that 2ish week period produces much vegetation (20 - 25 %?) & we all know that the primary building block for that is N.

Though for the record I'm a SS guy & I don't screw around with too many nutes.

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So in your opinion would anything be gained from a quick flush/ leach when switching the nutrients at two weeks into flower?
Im guessing thats when you switch nutes, y/n? Thats when ive been told to switch.

Ninjabowler said:

So in your opinion would anything be gained from a quick flush/ leach when switching the nutrients at two weeks into flower?
Im guessing thats when you switch nutes, y/n? Thats when ive been told to switch.

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The extent of my nute amendments happen before the plants are even in the dirt.
Super soil - mostly, everything is already there, I will add a top dressing of bat guano a couple of times during flower but that's it.

As for flushing, my personal opinion is it is snake oil - however, I don't worry about it (re: Super soil).

The flushing argument has already seen my input though, so I'll not argue with anyone on this.

I agree with theexpress

If you can not taste the differance and feel in cases

Then you are just not there yet

You will be...keep asking questions

You do not know what you are missing if you do not know.

GreatwhiteNorth said:

The extent of my nute amendments happen before the plants are even in the dirt.
Super soil - mostly, everything is already there, I will add a top dressing of bat guano a couple of times during flower but that's it.

As for flushing, my personal opinion is it is snake oil - however, I don't worry about it (re: Super soil).

The flushing argument has already seen my input though, so I'll not argue with anyone on this.

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There should be no need for you to flush having never added any high ppm nutrients repeatedly over the course of the plants life. Most of us other indoor growers usually over feed and add fertilizer every other feeding at over 1500 ppm. Quite the different scenario from add water and walk away. Is that where all these contradictory opinions come from?

Yes, after they stretch. Apologies, I didn't mean the day of. As soon as they are done stretching and focus on bud production is when I flush. Because, my nute combo still has sufficient N, but not nearly the amount in veg, obviously. I have noticed the difference on my last 3 grows.

And again, it's just a ritual that I believe helps me.

One thing is for sure everyone is right were there suppose to be.
To me back in the 80's in humbodlt were worked r asses off i thought. To develop strains, major cross breading i thought was the ultimate. Today i am still blow away with what comes up
I have flushed my harvest when they were clear...milky white...amber(with some strains) even red when i was late.
Personally i liked the flush. I am growing in South Florida this winter (83 today) and even with different humidity's i PREFER the flush. I have smoked a lot of unflushed and 6 out
of 10 i can not even notice it till i am told.

So if you really want to get into ur shit..... experiment.... graft a tomato on a plant.. Sativa is best and taste that and flush it is my preference lol

burgertime2010 said:

Your tenor seemed dismissive and condescending, I apologize if I was wrong. The thread is entitled "flushing is a myth" If there is any place in the world that i can propose an off the cuff alternative to tradition it is here. I was seeking an answer thats all, I made it clear that was the case. The thesis of this mans thread is that water is not capable of a flush cause roots store nutrients for a while, I can't say I agree, but if that were true the lockout is an original alternative. A debate you started, not me and because you "seem" like a blowhard i must of just assumed that was the case. I am awake and professionals everywhere wont stop laughing at me.....it's amazing, you called it. Subscribe. Listen. Learn.

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sorry if if it sounded that way. It was a good theory in theory. Takes gutz to come back and say this^^ + rep.

homebrewer said:

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Sounds like an airtight experiment .

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Well I got some feedback from the first round of stuff i dried without a flush. The bloke said it tasted bad and i told him the reason why... Took another sample around for him from the stuff that i'd flushed... After the bong he said "Wow that's heaps better"... So um, yeah.

sippinslurpies said:

Well I got some feedback from the first round of stuff i dried without a flush. The bloke said it tasted bad and i told him the reason why... Took another sample around for him from the stuff that i'd flushed... After the bong he said "Wow that's heaps better"... So um, yeah.

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Yeah fucking right.

sippinslurpies said:

Well I got some feedback from the first round of stuff i dried without a flush. The bloke said it tasted bad and i told him the reason why... Took another sample around for him from the stuff that i'd flushed... After the bong he said "Wow that's heaps better"... So um, yeah.

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It was exactly one week ago that you said you were going to conduct this 'experiment' which means you rushed both products to the market. Considering neither was dried properly or cured, I bet both samples were garbage, honestly.

The problem with these 'experiments' is that taste is a completely subjective quality of weed that is dependent upon the user. There will never be a general consensus on flushing because all of these experiments are based on opinions of taste. If only someone would spend the money on some mass spec, or some other type of chemical analysis....

even beyond taste, flushing a medium and water starving a plant is just another subjectiver way to respond to your own enviroment, not all techniques will apply to every consistent situation in growing . . . . .i feed just a little over what my girls need and i flush, for fade effect for about ten to fourteen days on avg


if the people who enjoy your bud say its good then no worries . . .. . taste and perception on unsmokable bud is not subjective . .. bad taste is bad taste . .. a flavor i dont like is something else . . .

read the words he uses, and a week is just fine time to dry if it is done properly, wont be cured but the cleanliness of the buds smoke will be instantly noticeable, i like to go 10 days total with a de-steming trim and have had plenty of tasty dank right of the branch as well, within that time period

here a review by Tony Green Hand of some stuff i flushed for 16 days . . . . got a decent yield too 330, 7 gallon pot
heres a faded shot berfore harvest

Date: 28 November, 2012
Time: 3:00 pm PST
Strain: Predator AKA H

Pictures:

Physical Examination

Visual appeal (visual appeal of the buds from 1-10 unappealing - excellent)
8.5
Visible trichomes (visible trichome content from 1-10 none - totally covered)
8.5
Colors present in the buds ( on a scale from 1- 10 light - dark)
Green: 3 Green: 5 Orange: 4 Yellow: 5
Bud density (Bud density on a scale from 1-10 airy - dense)
7
Aroma description: (on a scale from 1-10 upon freshly broken bud where 1 indicates subtle presence and 10 indicates pronounced presence )
First: Sour: 5 Hash: 6 Pine: 1 Then: Anise: 3 Funk: 4 Sour: 4 Kush: 1
Aroma appeal (Aroma from 1-10 repulsive - delightful)
6
Aroma intensity (Aroma intensity from 1-10 subtle - overwhelming)
7
Were there seeds present in the sample?(Y or N)
N
Did the flowers show inter-sex expression? (Y or N)
N
Overall appeal ( from 1-100 where 1 is frightening and 100 is majestic)
88
Additional comments:
The bag appeal of this sample was really nice. It was dense and caked in trichomes, it had a nice air about it like it was some true top shelf smoke. Just breaking off a little .1 bowl unleashed a sour funk that stunk my room up like I just took an oil rip. There was a funky sour overtone that really made my nose twist and turn with every whiff. The Calyxes were stacked up very tightly and were a nice shade of yellow/gold inside.

Smoke Test

Utensils - 1' 2" bong with one perc
Taste description (use numbers from 1-10 that apply to the taste where 1 is a subtle presence and 10 is a pronounced presence)
Grape: 1 Sour: 4 Funk: 4 Hash: 4
Taste pungency ( pungency of taste from 1-10 light - heavy)
5
Taste impression (impression of the taste from 1-10 unpleasant- scrumptious)
7
Moisture level (1-10 wet-dry where 5 is ideal)
5
Harshness (1-10 smooth-harsh)
3
Smoke expansion (smoke expansion in the lungs from 1-10 stable-explosive)
6
Smoke test comments:
The smoke of this sample was not very harsh but a bit heavier on the expansion then average, it left me coughing and with staggard breaths. The taste was great, there was a medley of funk, sour and hash overtones with a delightful artificial grape undertone that had me smacking my lips. As the bowl progressed I got less of that grape flavor and more of just a good weed flavor.

Follow up Questions

Dosage
- 0.3 grams
Effect onset: ~ 3 minutes & ~ 15 minutes until Full Effect

Potency (from 1-10 none-devastating)
8.5
Effect length
~ 3 hours
Usability (from 1-10 where 1 indicates the worst time of the day to consume this strain and 10 represents the ideal time of day)
Morning/wake up: 4 Day/work: 5 Evening/relax: 9 Night/sleep: 8

Effect (what effect did the strain have write P if it had a POSITIVE effect and N if if had a NEGATIVE effect, next to each selected area please rate the intensity of effect from 1-10 where 1 would be a subtle presence and 10 would be a pronounced presence)
P - 6 :Ability to rest or sit still
P - 5 :Anxiety relief
P - 5 :Appetite
P - 6 :Audio perception
P - 3 :Humor perception
P - 5 :Imagination/creativity
P - 4 :Memory
P - 5 :Mood
- :Ocular relief
P - 5 ain relief
P - 4 aranoia relief
- hysical awareness
P - 4 :Sex drive
P - 5 :Sleep
- :Speech
- :Taste perception
P - 3 :Thought process
N - 4 :Visual perception

Overall rating from 1-100:
90
Final comment:
I began to feel the effects of this this strain before my 4th hit, I had a feeling like my skin was being filled with bees, or as if I was next to a passing train. I could feel my vision elongating and plateauing. I began to feel heavily sedated throughout my entire body. My head and neck seemed to become very relaxed. My thinking style changed from a moving stream to a ticking clock, I was only able to think of one thing at any one time. When the high reached it's peak I was completely enveloped in my surroundings. When I tried to play a video game my eyes had trouble with fast moving objects and I didn't seem to be on target as usual. My body felt like this for seemingly hours with long lasting pain relief qualities, and had an extremely gradual decline from it's peak into sobriety. My house was pretty cold and that helped me sober up some, but this was a pretty intense smoke every time I partook in it. I found that it had good night time effects and it was excellent for winding down just before bed.

sippinslurpies said:

Ive just smoked my first joint of some bud that i picked before flushing and dried quickly in about 4 days without a cure and I am high as fuck with no bad taste. I'm guessing though that if i were to smoke a whole bunch of it i'd most likely get a bad taste.
I'll see how i go in a few weeks with the flushed slow dried and cured product.

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homebrewer said:

It was exactly one week ago that you said you were going to conduct this 'experiment' which means you rushed both products to the market. Considering neither was dried properly or cured, I bet both samples were garbage, honestly.

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I've been waiting for the "My flushed weed is better" thread - lo & behold here it is.
Assuming you chopped last week, there is no way you dried (4 ish days) and cured (3 whole days) and its "heaps better".

Your taste tester has his head up his ass !

if you guys go back and read he says on the 11 that he smoked bud that he had not flushed, that had only been drying for 4 days

and since its now a week later , that makes the unflushed bud 11 day dry/cure . . so by now it would be fine to smoke and test, and the flushed bud only a 7 day cure, if he chopped that night also, as he said he was, trimming at that time

come on . . . lets not turn this into my tech is better so i dont have to read thread

I don't see how pre harvest flushing can be a myth when basically all Feed charts/ programs from the nutrient companies show to use 1/4 strength solution or plain water through the final week of bloom. As we know these companies want to sell as mush products as possible. If flushing was not beneficial, these companies would take advantage of that knowledge and advise feeding their nutrients to your plants all the way to day of harvest. Myths are things like the the loch ness monster, not stuff that everyone does.

ItalRasta3 said:

I don't see how pre harvest flushing can be a myth when basically all Feed charts/ programs from the nutrient companies show to use 1/4 strength solution or plain water through the final week of bloom. As we know these companies want to sell as mush products as possible. If flushing was not beneficial, these companies would take advantage of that knowledge and advise feeding their nutrients to your plants all the way to day of harvest. Myths are things like the the loch ness monster, not stuff that everyone does.

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LOL, just because everyone does it does not make it any less of a myth.

You should go stand in front of a mirror and say "Bloody Mary" three times , myth or reality? I know lot's of people who still do it

regards,