I know...F**K LED lights and everything about them..

BCtrippin · Dec 7, 2008

HaHa, you think your LED UFO will outgrow my 2 x 1000w HPS...MORON.

HAHA, you PM Me that Bankruptcy was what paid the bill for your UFO.

Thats fucking Stupid. You dont buy an LED UFO, then claim bankruptcy to get it paid for. MORON.

You claim bankruptcy when your too much of a fucking IDIOT to pay for own expenses in life.

So Basically your saying your not just a pathetic Douchebag, your Also a burden on Society. Im glad My tax dollars didnt go to pay for people like YOU claiming bankruptcy.

Dude WTF are you doing wasting money on LEDs trying to grow weed when you cant even afford rent and bills?

Dont come back telling me you pay your bills. You just PMed me that the Gov paid the bill for your UFO "its called bankruptcy...look up a few possibilities before u start calling out lies next time..."

Man keep digging... You should read your own damn posts...

Where have I claimed to be an RIU god? I just call people out on BULLSHIT.

I have not once changed my opinions in this thread. Dont tell me I should read your weak LED grow to learn something.

You say yourself LED sucks, its not good for flowering, then you tell me to read your shit to learn something?

Man if you have nothing useful to say then fuck off. Your constant BS is in that last post, its in that PM you sent me, its in every line you type. Pure BS.

waldocat420 · Dec 7, 2008

first of you piece of shit littlegrower, just becuase im asking for opinions on my next grow, and dont have picutes on this site yet doesnt mean i dont know how to grow and have never grown before you ignorant prick. and second, i dont know where you get off comparing a grow tent im buying off my buddy for $50 bucks to the fucken welfare lights you say the govt bought for you.. calling me cheap ha! its not my fault i have friends that have an extra grow tent for sale.. its all good though, your stupid insults dont matter. . i will be getting my clones soon an will let my grow speak for itself. . i will bet you anything in 3 - 4 weeks veg time i will have my 6 clones healthier and bigger and on the verge of budding better than your piece of shit spider mite infested joke of a crop..

littlegrower2004 · Dec 7, 2008

BCtrippin said:
HaHa, you think your LED UFO will outgrow my 2 x 1000w HPS...MORON.

HAHA, you PM Me that Bankruptcy was what paid the bill for your UFO.

Thats fucking Stupid. You dont buy an LED UFO, then claim bankruptcy to get it paid for. MORON.

You claim bankruptcy when your too much of a fucking IDIOT to pay for own expenses in life.

So Basically your saying your not just a pathetic Douchebag, your Also a burden on Society. Im glad My tax dollars didnt go to pay for people like YOU claiming bankruptcy.

Dude WTF are you doing wasting money on LEDs trying to grow weed when you cant even afford rent and bills?

Dont come back telling me you pay your bills. You just PMed me that the Gov paid the bill for your UFO "its called bankruptcy...look up a few possibilities before u start calling out lies next time..."

Man keep digging... You should read your own damn posts...

Where have I claimed to be an RIU god? I just call people out on BULLSHIT.

I have not once changed my opinions in this thread. Dont tell me I should read your weak LED grow to learn something.

You say yourself LED sucks, its not good for flowering, then you tell me to read your shit to learn something?

Man if you have nothing useful to say then fuck off. Your constant BS is in that last post, its in that PM you sent me, its in every line you type. Pure BS.

1. never said my light will i said I will..u give us the same conditions and everything i guarantee ill leave u behind
2. umm lets see after a long time of racking up credit card debt adn then adding on a few 600 hun dol lights, then claiming bk... hmm i didnt think that was possible...once again think of the possibilities...plus it wasnt even me who claimed the bk so i dont give a fuck if u think it hirts me by saying im a burden to society...
3.once again u havent been able to quote me with by bs and once again ive proved u to be wrong..where have i changed what
4.if u gro some balls and look at my thread, every pg, u will c that ur useless argueing has already been done...by many ppl..all who have alot more knowledge to back up wat they say...o ya why do LED not penetrate well????o ya u dont kno y u just say they dont..read up asshole
5.ur telling me to leave, telling me to start a new account, ur telling me that i have lost RIU respect, hahha ur acting like ur a god

littlegrower2004 · Dec 7, 2008

waldocat420 said:
first of you piece of shit littlegrower, just becuase im asking for opinions on my next grow, and dont have picutes on this site yet doesnt mean i dont know how to grow and have never grown before you ignorant prick. and second, i dont know where you get off comparing a grow tent im buying off my buddy for $50 bucks to the fucken welfare lights you say the govt bought for you.. calling me cheap ha! its not my fault i have friends that have an extra grow tent for sale.. its all good though, your stupid insults dont matter. . i will be getting my clones soon an will let my grow speak for itself. . i will bet you anything in 3 - 4 weeks veg time i will have my 6 clones healthier and bigger and on the verge of budding better than your piece of shit spider mite infested joke of a crop..

talk is alot when u got nothin to show for it....not!!!ur a bitch and thats not changin in my book...haha and obviously my insults matter to u knowing u come back here every chance u get to wage an arguement thats been going alot longer then uve been apart of this website..

waldocat420 · Dec 7, 2008

oh yeah? and talk is a lot when you have something to show for it and its total crap!?? dude im going to get some old pics of my prevoiuse grows and show you whats up. . you and your weak ass grows that have been going on for months and still dont have any buds to show for it. . ha! and yeah, your stupid insults dont matter. . i just dont want to pass up the opportunity to defend myself against some ingorant stupid ass that files for bankruptcy and think its funny that tax payers supposedly paid for your light.. if you think you can outgrow me. . im down for the challenge. . i'll be starting my grow soon. . do you have any clones ready for veg?

BCtrippin · Dec 7, 2008

littlegrower2004 said:
1. never said my light will i said I will..u give us the same conditions and everything i guarantee ill leave u behind
2. umm lets see after a long time of racking up credit card debt adn then adding on a few 600 hun dol lights, then claiming bk... hmm i didnt think that was possible...once again think of the possibilities...plus it wasnt even me who claimed the bk so i dont give a fuck if u think it hirts me by saying im a burden to society...
3.once again u havent been able to quote me with by bs and once again ive proved u to be wrong..where have i changed what
4.if u gro some balls and look at my thread, every pg, u will c that ur useless argueing has already been done...by many ppl..all who have alot more knowledge to back up wat they say...o ya why do LED not penetrate well????o ya u dont kno y u just say they dont..read up asshole
5.ur telling me to leave, telling me to start a new account, ur telling me that i have lost RIU respect, hahha ur acting like ur a god

That quote is absolutely FULL of BS. Ahhaha. You think you could outgrow me...well the problem is YOU HAVE NOTHING, And you claimed bankruptcy.

What makes you think you could grow as good as me with the same stuff if you have never even Had a set up like this??

Why dont they penetrate? Hmmm, read my previous posts. They lack the LUMENS, you running multiple low wattage lights, 5-10w per light. Adding more lights with the same low lumens doesnt increase the overall lumens, its the same low lumens over a greater area.....And I also pointed out the other major flaw, your forced to keep the LED a certain distance to blend the spectrum...

And your Still arguing like you know your shit.

Man your one cocky mother fucker. You say you can outgrow me and you clearly dont have the experience, the space, the budget, the equipment, OR the knowledge.

How can you honestly manage a grow if you cant even manage your own Life. Racking up credit card debt is not guaranteed bankruptcy, you have to be an absolute Moron to let it get that bad. No offense but thats a fact.

Step off. Your making a fool of yourself.

littlegrower2004 · Dec 7, 2008

waldocat420 said:
oh yeah? and talk is a lot when you have something to show for it and its total crap!?? dude im going to get some old pics of my prevoiuse grows and show you whats up. . you and your weak ass grows that have been going on for months and still dont have any buds to show for it. . ha! and yeah, your stupid insults dont matter. . i just dont want to pass up the opportunity to defend myself against some ingorant stupid ass that files for bankruptcy and think its funny that tax payers supposedly paid for your light.. if you think you can outgrow me. . im down for the challenge. . i'll be starting my grow soon. . do you have any clones ready for veg?

haha no shit i have clones ready for veg..if u would have really looked at my grows u would have realized that u dip shit...so dont try and calll me out before u kno how i grow and how well i do it..and ur an idoit cause i do have buds on my thread of the plants that i started in the closet and moved outside to flower(once again if u really would have looked)..i would absolutely be down for the grow off if we had all the same conditions but i can guarantee there gona vary way too much for us to even have a successful comp so its basically not worth it...but if u wanna start up at the same time im more than willing since i cleaned out both my closets to start over fresh with out mites(hopefully) and already got one with 15 clones in it starting out..

littlegrower2004 · Dec 7, 2008

BCtrippin said:
That quote is absolutely FULL of BS. Ahhaha. You think you could outgrow me...well the problem is YOU HAVE NOTHING, And you claimed bankruptcy.

What makes you think you could grow as good as me with the same stuff if you have never even Had a set up like this??

Why dont they penetrate? Hmmm, read my previous posts. They lack the LUMENS, you running multiple low wattage lights, 5-10w per light. Adding more lights with the same low lumens doesnt increase the overall lumens, its the same low lumens over a greater area.....And I also pointed out the other major flaw, your forced to keep the LED a certain distance to blend the spectrum...

And your Still arguing like you know your shit.

Man your one cocky mother fucker. You say you can outgrow me and you clearly dont have the experience, the space, the budget, the equipment, OR the knowledge.

How can you honestly manage a grow if you cant even manage your own Life. Racking up credit card debt is not guaranteed bankruptcy, you have to be an absolute Moron to let it get that bad. No offense but thats a fact.

Step off. Your making a fool of yourself.

haha wow u def cant read since i said i wasnt the one who claimed the bk and yet u still think i did...the actions of those around me dont reflect the person i am so dont try and act like u kno me...u dont kno how many watts my LED works with and plus Lumens matter to eyes not plants..look at PAR buddy then u will realize what a plant needs, not lumens...and im not forced at all to keep my light a certain distance away due to the spectrum u idoit...u think that it causes dots on the leaves from uneven spread???ur fucken retarted..i have mine hanging inches above my plants and see no abnormal growth or socalled spots...haha and ur the moron who thought i said i claimed bk after buying a single light..if u understood American economy then u would realize it takes alot more than six hun to cause someone to turn to bk..and do u also realize u and waldo are the only ones saying im making a fool of myself????im pretty sure u guys are a bunch of bitches that try and gang up on someone on the internet to win a endless arguement...

BCtrippin · Dec 8, 2008

littlegrower2004 said:
haha wow u def cant read since i said i wasnt the one who claimed the bk and yet u still think i did...the actions of those around me dont reflect the person i am so dont try and act like u kno me...u dont kno how many watts my LED works with and plus Lumens matter to eyes not plants..look at PAR buddy then u will realize what a plant needs, not lumens...and im not forced at all to keep my light a certain distance away due to the spectrum u idoit...u think that it causes dots on the leaves from uneven spread???ur fucken retarted..i have mine hanging inches above my plants and see no abnormal growth or socalled spots...haha and ur the moron who thought i said i claimed bk after buying a single light..if u understood American economy then u would realize it takes alot more than six hun to cause someone to turn to bk..and do u also realize u and waldo are the only ones saying im making a fool of myself????im pretty sure u guys are a bunch of bitches that try and gang up on someone on the internet to win a endless arguement...

Dude, learn to spell, calm down, take a breath.

This argument started when I said LED is useless, then you started defending them, After a lot of defending you say they suck as well, yet you keep reposting. The only reason I am here is because you pissed me off, you call me a moron and a retard...Man grow up.

Where did I say it would cause spots or abnormal growth? I said you need to blend the spectrum.

How can you call me a moron for saying you, or whoever claimed bankruptcy? I dont know you, you PMed me and said you claimed bankruptcy to pay for the LED light, you never said it was someone else till after I called you out on it. How does that make me a retard?

You do realize you started this argument defending LEDs, only to say they suck, while continuing to argue nothing.

In fact now your pulling utter bullshit out your ass. If you dont think light intensity affects growth then You are the retard. Do you not understand how plants grow? Do you not understand why plants grow so big outside in natural sunlight?

1000w HPS runs at 126000lumens, your LED runs 2600 peak. Now before you get mad here, you have admitted HPS is better, but you just said LUMENS dont matter for your LED.

Dont tell me I dont know about the specs of an LED UFO, you dont own the only one on the planet.

It runs at 90w total power, to run all the little lights, count those lights, divide 90 by the number of lights and you have how many Watts per light, around 5-10w each. Do The Math. These LED UFOs Also claim to be EQUAL to a 600w HID light source, like HPS. They fail in comparison. Which you admit....yet still defend your weak LED grow.

Man you got issues, seriously relax, think before you type.

Im not trying to make enemies, and Im not trying to argue with you, but if you call me a moron or a retard then Im gonna get pissed off.

littlegrower2004 · Dec 8, 2008

BCtrippin said:
Dude, learn to spell, calm down, take a breath.

This argument started when I said LED is useless, then you started defending them, After a lot of defending you say they suck as well, yet you keep reposting. The only reason I am here is because you pissed me off, you call me a moron and a retard...Man grow up.

Where did I say it would cause spots or abnormal growth? I said you need to blend the spectrum.

How can you call me a moron for saying you, or whoever claimed bankruptcy? I dont know you, you PMed me and said you claimed bankruptcy to pay for the LED light, you never said it was someone else till after I called you out on it. How does that make me a retard?

You do realize you started this argument defending LEDs, only to say they suck, while continuing to argue nothing.

In fact now your pulling utter bullshit out your ass. If you dont think light intensity affects growth then You are the retard. Do you not understand how plants grow? Do you not understand why plants grow so big outside in natural sunlight?

1000w HPS runs at 126000lumens, your LED runs 2600 peak. Now before you get mad here, you have admitted HPS is better, but you just said LUMENS dont matter for your LED.

Dont tell me I dont know about the specs of an LED UFO, you dont own the only one on the planet.

It runs at 90w total power, to run all the little lights, count those lights, divide 90 by the number of lights and you have how many Watts per light, around 5-10w each. Do The Math. These LED UFOs Also claim to be EQUAL to a 600w HID light source, like HPS. They fail in comparison. Which you admit....yet still defend your weak LED grow.

Man you got issues, seriously relax, think before you type.

Im not trying to make enemies, and Im not trying to argue with you, but if you call me a moron or a retard then Im gonna get pissed off.

hahahah ok take a step back a second and put urself in my shoes...

u come on here saying my thread and light are completely useless...how would u react to someone saying that about ur grow..especially when its not tru..cause its obvious it grows well for Veg, saves alot of power, and runs basically heatless with the fans inside, so dont just say its useless..especially after i have way more pgs of arguements alot stronger than any on this thread measure the PAR if u want to talk about what the plant is actually getting...and obvious more lumens means more PAR most the time..u tell me to grow up when u do the same thing as me reacting the same way and calling out the same amount of names if not more..so lets just drop..LED suck for everything except IMO are good for veg and thats basically wat ive been defending this whole time...

"With LEDs another huge proglem is that you are Forced to keep the LED pannels at least a certain distance or else the spectrum wont blend evenly and you will get red and blue spots on your plants, and that couldnt be good giving your plants different spectrums on different leafs." BCtrippn

waldocat420 · Dec 8, 2008

what do you mean it wont be fair? youre such a better grower than me right? and you say ive never grown before right? your LED doesnt need to be cooled right? i have to cool my hps so my conditions will probably be harder to maintain.. i think you realize that im serious and you are scared now.. i think we should do it anyways.. and we'll take all conditions into consideration when the grow is done..

littlegrower2004 · Dec 8, 2008

waldocat420 said:
what do you mean it wont be fair? youre such a better grower than me right? and you say ive never grown before right? your LED doesnt need to be cooled right? i have to cool my hps so my conditions will probably be harder to maintain.. i think you realize that im serious and you are scared now.. i think we should do it anyways.. and we'll take all conditions into consideration when the grow is done..

hahaha how am i scared when i just offered us to start out our grows at the same time to see who ends with a better final result...ya our situations will be alot different so to fully have a comp we would need all the same conditions..which isnt possible..theres too many variables for it to be an honest comp... if u wanna meet somewhere is SD possibly i can hook u up with some clones so we can have the same strain..and yes my LED needs to be cooled, if u wouldve done research on the LED i have u would have already known that it has fans built in side to cool the lights..

waldocat420 · Dec 8, 2008

ok my point exactly . . you have a piece of shit little fan in your light. . im talking about inline fans to cool real heat! and no, i dont want any of your desease infested clones. . i have my own medical connect in san diego with plenty of strains to pick from. . clones and dank! dude, i dont understand you.. you say your not scared you offered to start at the same time. . yet your defending it by saying our conditions will be different?? make your conditions better than mine then and out grow me! obviously you say you can meet in san diego, so you must not be too far were the climate will be totally different.. youre making this more complicated than it is. . we both start growing at around the same time. . we should start flowering around the same time or you can veg for as long as you want i dont care. . and we will clearly see which is the best set up, grow and final product.. you clearly state you can out grow many people so work with the conditions you have and stop saying it wont be fair.

littlegrower2004 · Dec 8, 2008

waldocat420 said:
ok my point exactly . . you have a piece of shit little fan in your light. . im talking about inline fans to cool real heat! and no, i dont want any of your desease infested clones. . i have my own medical connect in san diego with plenty of strains to pick from. . clones and dank! dude, i dont understand you.. you say your not scared you offered to start at the same time. . yet your defending it by saying our conditions will be different?? make your conditions better than mine then and out grow me! obviously you say you can meet in san diego, so you must not be too far were the climate will be totally different.. youre making this more complicated than it is. . we both start growing at around the same time. . we should start flowering around the same time or you can veg for as long as you want i dont care. . and we will clearly see which is the best set up, grow and final product.. you clearly state you can out grow many people so work with the conditions you have and stop saying it wont be fair.

3 fans actually..sorry my clones arent disease infested its a simple little thing called dipping in neem oil...and sorry to make u feel bad but my clones came from a sd dispensary and from up north so urs arent ne thing special(and if i wanted to pay and extra 10 bucks for a 60 dol eight i would pick up from a dispens but too bad the chron i get off the streets it just as dank)..plus i got 5 strains to choose from..yeah im saying its not gona be legit for saying day to day whos is better what has grown nicer..all we can do is compare veg plants before flower..then wait till end of flower and compare final result..not really a comp if u ask me..jsut two grows with dif set ups and dif final results i would say that sounds like...and plus im not gona go out and buy stuff to bulk upp my set up to beat some no one..not worth in my book...so in the end i say we just start at same time and compare as much as possible...

waldocat420 · Dec 8, 2008

dude, who the fuck says i pay 60 dollars for an 8th?? did you hear me fucken say that?? just becuase i say i get medical cannabis? did it ever occur to you that people are licensed to have legal grow ops in their home and sell their product if the correct paperwork is signed?? not every place is a shady pot club trying to rape thier customers. i pay one straight price for all my medical dank in san diego. $45/8th $85/quarter $160/half oz. $290/oz. no matter how dank it is! oh yeah, and what dispensary in san diego did you get youre clones from?? they are all closed stupid ass. . unless its one of those delivery services.. man, you and your excuses. . yes it probably wont be exact, but we can compare or veg cycles, and we can compare weekly on how the flowering is going. . up until they are harvested. . compare final weight. . cant test thc content, but pics will be worth a thousand words. . i think we can get a pretty good idea of who did better. . and who says you have to buy stuff?? you say you outgrow with what you got right? i already have the shit im going to use becuase i used it last time around, minus the grow tent.. its not my fualt i want to use better equipment for my beautiful ladies.. oh and as far as you getting your dank from the street, sorry buddy i prefer mine straight from the grower.. dont get me wronge though, i have a bomb street connect, and know weed from your hook up can be bomb also, just doesnt compare though. .

littlegrower2004 · Dec 8, 2008

waldocat420 said:
dude, who the fuck says i pay 60 dollars for an 8th?? did you hear me fucken say that?? just becuase i say i get medical cannabis? did it ever occur to you that people are licensed to have legal grow ops in their home and sell their product if the correct paperwork is signed?? not every place is a shady pot club trying to rape thier customers. i pay one straight price for all my medical dank in san diego. $45/8th $85/quarter $160/half oz. $290/oz. no matter how dank it is! oh yeah, and what dispensary in san diego did you get youre clones from?? they are all closed stupid ass. . unless its one of those delivery services.. man, you and your excuses. . yes it probably wont be exact, but we can compare or veg cycles, and we can compare weekly on how the flowering is going. . up until they are harvested. . compare final weight. . cant test thc content, but pics will be worth a thousand words. . i think we can get a pretty good idea of who did better. . and who says you have to buy stuff?? you say you outgrow with what you got right? i already have the shit im going to use becuase i used it last time around, minus the grow tent.. its not my fualt i want to use better equipment for my beautiful ladies.. oh and as far as you getting your dank from the street, sorry buddy i prefer mine straight from the grower.. dont get me wronge though, i have a bomb street connect, and know weed from your hook up can be bomb also, just doesnt compare though. .

never said u paid that i said im over payn that for some delivery guy to make an extra ten bucks off me just to get some "med" bud which is the same dankness as the shit i get off the streets...and obviously i kno about legal growing taking the fact i said i got my clones for a dispens, o woops i guess a delivery...how is it a excuse to say that the conditions wont be the same but yet i still say we can compare every step of the growth..i never said i would out grow u with wat i got..i kno my LED doesnt work for flower so i dont plan on beating anyone with the set up i have right now...but i can guarantee if we had exact same conditions and everything..i mean everything..i would out grow u..

littlegrower2004 · Dec 8, 2008

"make your conditions better than mine then and out grow me!" sounds like ur telling me to make my set up better and to do that im pretty sure that includes buying things to improve..

waldocat420 · Dec 8, 2008

dude, that last quote means whatever the fuck you want it to mean.. and do you realize how pathetic of an argument "but i can guarantee if we had exact same conditions and everything..i mean everything..i would out grow u" is? if you dont even have it how would you know??

all im trying to say is quit your bitching about conditions, and we'll fucken compare our grow as we go along thats all. . everything doesnt have to be exact. You made it very clear to me that you think i cant grow and dont know anything about growing. . and im telling you i can prove otherwise. . dude, and im no pro either, but i know for a fact i can harvest 4 nice plants in about 3 months total and harvest 1-2 oz. each plant. . i only have a 400w hps with a 4" vortex fan, few other fans. . my organic soil and nutes.. nothing special. . and if you dont have the set up to finish a crop, what are you doing with so many clones??

and if you would have said that LED's were crap from the start except for doing ok in veg. . this whole argument wouldnt have taken place. .

littlegrower2004 · Dec 9, 2008

waldocat420 said:
dude, that last quote means whatever the fuck you want it to mean.. and do you realize how pathetic of an argument "but i can guarantee if we had exact same conditions and everything..i mean everything..i would out grow u" is? if you dont even have it how would you know??

all im trying to say is quit your bitching about conditions, and we'll fucken compare our grow as we go along thats all. . everything doesnt have to be exact. You made it very clear to me that you think i cant grow and dont know anything about growing. . and im telling you i can prove otherwise. . dude, and im no pro either, but i know for a fact i can harvest 4 nice plants in about 3 months total and harvest 1-2 oz. each plant. . i only have a 400w hps with a 4" vortex fan, few other fans. . my organic soil and nutes.. nothing special. . and if you dont have the set up to finish a crop, what are you doing with so many clones??

and if you would have said that LED's were crap from the start except for doing ok in veg. . this whole argument wouldnt have taken place. .

ok ur kidding me right..i said on my 4th comment(my first actually talking about the light and my grow) that they suck for flower..i said that if u watch the youtube vid that shows the compar vs 400w hps and 90w LED u would see that the LED is good for veg but gets destroyed in flower...how else do i need to put it for u to understand...the first 3 comments i made had nothin to do with how they work other then saying i love LED, where do u get that, and no shit i kno u got it from my sig, i never said anything about how they worked..so mayb u need to re read posts before u get in a arguement....and i said from the beg about our little comp that we will compare everything we can..like ur saying.. now so lets just agree to have a friendly grow off and lets stop this bitchin..(one of my closets is set up with an extra 300w of hps so i hope it will be good to flower, and its always good to have clones IMO)

waldocat420 · Dec 9, 2008

yeah man, sorry if i sounded like a dick, thats not really my personality, i just felt like like i was being attacked, as you probably did.. and i agree, lets just have a friendly grow off to compare, shit! doesnt even have to be a grow off, ill just document my shit, i feel like this just got way out of hand. . were supposed to be here to help eachother not attack. . were potheads not tweekers.. and yes those extra 300w will help you out big time!

I know...F**K LED lights and everything about them..

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