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MrMcpot

MrMcpot

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BTW they can get enough proof for site ownership with a simple WHOIS query. I can get registrant name and contact information for anyone owning a website pretty easily simply by using something like centralops @ http://www.centralops.net. It's public information and it's enough for them to be able to subpoena the company the domain was registered with for IP logs, credit card and banking info, etc. that they could then use to get a search warrant in conjunction with proof that a business owner is involved in a conspiracy.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

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I don't currently offer lumatek products I have thought about it but prices are step and what I offer is lower costs with equal quality. Youl be disappointed thought the parts in the lumatek guess where they are made lol yup china almost all are....Now as what I mean by the FDA is that it has not passed FDA approval and is regulated as scheduled drug so it is not allowed for sale in the US ie it has been regulated and denied.Second my site and server is non us based and I have no registered physical address for the company and tchnically am not goverened by US law as a non physical entity but I follow thier guidelines just to make everyone happy
 
Relaxed

Relaxed

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Tried to support my local close shop. Standing at the door 3 till close to buy a high times mag. the guy looks thru the window one foot away and says "sorry closed". I said, Ok one item I'll be out in 2 minutes. He smiled and said sorry.....Not been back since.....
 
Relaxed

Relaxed

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ok if they are made in china then they have the money as one of the largested ballast companys to support research and recalls etc. It is the most electical item in a set up so comfort or potential fire hazard is high on my list.
 
MrMcpot

MrMcpot

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FDA has nothing to do with prosecutions under the federal analogue act. FDA also has no say in how a drug is scheduled. For more information on how that works, see here:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/abuse/1-csa.htm

I have seen it many times over the years. Too many people in our culture think they're invincible and it almost always ends in tragedy. It's a shame because becoming a statistic is a very ineffective way to fight against this injustice. The real fighters on our side in the drug war are thwarting the DEA through education and by understanding how law enforcement works. Without an understanding as to how LEO works, you will not stay safe if you're doing something illegal. Period. It's hard enough to stay safe with an understanding of how things work.

In order to pay for a domain, you need a credit card. You also have to give them some sort of name and address in order for the charge to be authorized. 9 times out of 10, people use their own real credit cards that are connected with their real names and bank accounts. 9 times out of 10, a persons name and contact information are available through a WHOIS search because the information you used to register your domain is stored in various registries and completely available to anyone who wants it.

BTW whether or not a drug is approved by the FDA has nothing to do with scheduling. Even when a drug is denied approval, it does not automatically become scheduled.

Your reasoning is the exact reason WHY I am so picky about who I do business with. Too many business are not taking the precautions that they need to in order to protect their patrons. For Christ's sake, look what happened to Overgrow and Heaven's Stairway and those were seed selling operations that weren't even located in the USA. Bottom line is if the government wants you, they've proven time and again that they WILL get you no matter where you are. The sooner you realize that the better off you'll be.
 
Mindmelted

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FilthyFletch said:
I don't currently offer lumatek products I have thought about it but prices are step and what I offer is lower costs with equal quality. Youl be disappointed thought the parts in the lumatek guess where they are made lol yup china almost all are....Now as what I mean by the FDA is that it has not passed FDA approval and is regulated as scheduled drug so it is not allowed for sale in the US ie it has been regulated and denied.Second my site and server is non us based and I have no registered physical address for the company and tchnically am not goverened by US law as a non physical entity but I follow thier guidelines just to make everyone happy
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Nothing wrong with lumatek.It will compete with all other digital ballasts:peace:
And cheap usally means just that.
 
whulkamania

whulkamania

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MrMcpot said:
FDA has nothing to do with prosecutions under the federal analogue act. FDA also has no say in how a drug is scheduled. For more information on how that works, see here:
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/pubs/abuse/1-csa.htm

I have seen it many times over the years. Too many people in our culture think they're invincible and it almost always ends in tragedy. It's a shame because becoming a statistic is a very ineffective way to fight against this injustice. The real fighters on our side in the drug war are thwarting the DEA through education and by understanding how law enforcement works. Without an understanding as to how LEO works, you will not stay safe if you're doing something illegal. Period. It's hard enough to stay safe with an understanding of how things work.

In order to pay for a domain, you need a credit card. You also have to give them some sort of name and address in order for the charge to be authorized. 9 times out of 10, people use their own real credit cards that are connected with their real names and bank accounts. 9 times out of 10, a persons name and contact information are available through a WHOIS search because the information you used to register your domain is stored in various registries and completely available to anyone who wants it.

BTW whether or not a drug is approved by the FDA has nothing to do with scheduling. Even when a drug is denied approval, it does not automatically become scheduled.

Your reasoning is the exact reason WHY I am so picky about who I do business with. Too many business are not taking the precautions that they need to in order to protect their patrons. For Christ's sake, look what happened to Overgrow and Heaven's Stairway and those were seed selling operations that weren't even located in the USA. Bottom line is if the government wants you, they've proven time and again that they WILL get you no matter where you are. The sooner you realize that the better off you'll be.
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Part of what you said is part true few things.

1. You can always buy a Domain with Paypal not always a credit card.
2. Most sites which sell items that wouldn't want to be traced use a Private Domain or Proxy Domain as in it is not vulnerable to whois.
 
whulkamania

whulkamania

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MrMcpot said:
Yeah but the problem is that they'll claim that the fact that you advertised it on a marijuana site is equivalent to that. They do the same thing when people sell MDMA analogues over the internet in pill form. Even though it says on the package 'Not for human consumption' the fact that it is in pill form invalidates that and then people sometimes get prosecuted under the Federal Analogue Act of 1986. Def be careful. IMO any grow supplier should put a HUGE disclaimer on their site saying that the items are not to be used for illegal purposes and that any discussion of such uses will render sales null and void and result in the issuance of an immediate refund. That type of policy protects not only the business, but it's customers in the long run as the DEA can only sieze their records if they are able to build a case against the business. The biggest reason that they target grow supply businesses is because they know that it can be an easy way to get access to lengthy lists of customers personal information, many of whom are violating state and federal laws. It's just best to be safe rather than sorry, you know? No offense, I am just offering advice from the perspective of a journalist who has seen just how zealous government entities can be.
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Yeah I mean it is like when you buy seeds it says for souvenir purposes but who really uses it for souvenirs?
 
MrMcpot

MrMcpot

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Yeah, I mean he is right. In all likelihood he won't ever be targeted but I still say it's better safe than sorry.

On another note, my 400w hps got here. Looks like a nice piece of equipment, no screws or anything missing. The ballast is quiet compared to what I expected and HOLY SHIT this thing is WAY brighter than I ever imagined! I was using literally 400w in floro tubes (lol!) up until this point and the heat and brightness is AMAZING in comparison. Got it setup about 1ft away from my plants. I'm a little worried about the heat though. Tops of my lants are like 83-85 degrees and I worry that may be a little too high. Got a fan blowing on them though.

Overall, I'm actually pretty impressed so far but I'll wait a week or two to make a final judgement. Wanna see if I have any probd with the bulbs or ballast. Oh speaking of which, the ballast is actually quiet compared to what I expected. My oscillating fan is louder.
 
Relaxed

Relaxed

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congrats. Htg sells a lot of equip. for a reason. Good product, service and price. After review I am leaning on the Digital for several reasons if you research. HTG gets first call...Now you must show pics/journal. What's your flavor for first grow with the new set up?
 
MrMcpot

MrMcpot

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Well atm I am finishing a bagseed grow. One of them is good mid and the other is a purple strain that was being sold as purple haze. The purple strain is pretty crystally already consiudering that it's 3 weeks into flowering and it's been under floro tubes. There WAS 3 females but sadly this morning one of them had about 3-4 nuts. I check the plants for signs of male parts every morning mainly because it's bagseed and I know it's at high risk for becoming hermi but this was my first hermi. Some of the pollen sacks had pollen in them (I checked when I killed the hermi after removing from the grow room) and others looked like they may have opened?? I wasn't sure and wouldn't that be weird for those to develop that much within 24-36 hr? No brown hairs on any other plants but I guess I will keep an eye out and make sure they haven't been seeded. I have some feminized Barney's Farm Blue Cheese on the way and that's going to be the first one I REALLY get to test this baby on. I'm going to post some pics of the hps setup on here sometime tonight. Got some stuff I need to do first though. Just keep an eye out. They'll be up within an hour or two.
 
MrMcpot

MrMcpot

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Pic 1 & pic 2 are of the overall hps setup. The light is perhaps a little less than 1ft above the tallest plant, which is actually pretty short compared to how tall my plants will be from now on by the time they're in 3 weeks flowering. I had kept them short because 1) They're growing in 3 liter bottles and 2) I was using floro tubes which have poor light penetration.

I plan on taking clones from the Barney's farm plants and rooting and vegging those in party cups in a cabinet under my sink in my room. In the cloning area I have 4 14w cfls (3200 lumens, 6500k or daylight spectrum) hanging a few inches from where plants will be. I think I can sustain clones in these approx 12-16 oz party cups for 2 weeks of rooting and 1 week veg. What do you think? By then they should be a foot tall. I realize that 12-16 oz isn't much room but clones need less room for roots so I am hoping they won't be rootbound by the time it is time to transplant them and move em to the flowering room.
 

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madskillz

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going through the same problem right now. Ordered my stuff last thursday and called 2 days(this tuesday) ago to ask why I havent even gotten a tracking number and they told me they didnt have a hanger. I complained and told them I need the other stuff ASAP and they told me they would ship it next day. Guess what? they didnt and today I see that they finally sent it and I'm assuming with the hanger as it just came in... My first experience was great and was in my house in 3 days after i ordered but this time they really havent done a good job. I dont think they will be throwing anything in eihter
 
MrMcpot

MrMcpot

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I feel you but I gotta say, I'm really happy with the equipment so far even if it did take a couple days extra because there was no express shipping option. Had a bit of trouble figuring out the mechanical timer though but I eventually figured it out totally by accident. Going to test that tonight. Should run the 400w hps and a fan pretty easily since it's 15a and the power strip is also 15a and the extension cords are 13a, amirite? The fan doesn't use much electricity.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
whois and registrant searches only work on public registration site you have the option to make all info private and if you use alias and off shore proxies anf throw away payments it gets pretty rough to find...good grows though
 
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stratozyck

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HTG does this a lot this time of year. They are simply swamped and someone isn't hiring enough temps or whatnot. My guess is with the economy the way it is, theres an upsurge in people growing so they are probably getting a lot more orders than they expected.

I have ordered two 400 Watt HPS/MH systems from them this year, one took 3 weeks, the other 2. You HAVE TO CALL THEM after you order. They won't tell you if a bulb you ordered is out of stock. The first time I waited several weeks to find out it was on backorder because they were out of the free timer (?! fuck the timer then???). The second time they were out of the AgroMax HPS bulb (which is a waste of $, their standard one is the same quality and lower price...).

If you order nutes, mylar, etc... anything other than bulbs you will get it quick. Bulbs just go so fast, Id imagine every place is having diffuclty keeping up with demand.

I've been there, angry at them. I still don't order from anyone else simply because I can always call them up and speak to a real person. Everytime you get wronged, THEY WILL RIGHT IT. The first time I ordered? They made it up by upgrading the HPS bulb for free. The second? They gave me free samples of several nutes (like two 10 plant grows worth of each nute).

So yeah, they will frustrate you. But the lesson I learned? NEVER GERMINATE SEEDS UNTIL YOU HAVE THE LIGHTING SET UP. Right now, I'm actually waiting on seeds, not lights... but they are coming from Amsterdam.
 
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medmaryjane

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Mindmelted said:
Everybody is in such a rush.Slow down and relax.
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I ordered a week ago, not shipped yet. I called yesterday and they claim they are shipping soon and will email me when my stuff ships. I only ordered a kit and a couple other things. I hope I didnt screw up by mentioning in an email that I am a medical patient. They didn't answer that email. Do you think that is a problem?
 
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