How often do you get bugs in your FFOF?

chemphlegm said:

adding nitrogen-a very specific nutrient- at end of flower, will adversely affect the flavor of harvested marijuana.

who dafuck would dispute this well known fact anyways?

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Who says I did?

This is also something that can be controlled by the user.......

Would love to see any proof or even a study other than the one previously discussed of the specific compounds you say changing or (enhancing?) terpene profiles.

Or the Mn raising thc.

Or do we only have your lecture with no textbook and no credentials to go on @Dr. Who?

And if you are going to refer to or about me with your mis-interpreted opinions at least have the balls to page me for your condescending "lesson".

chemphlegm said:

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man o man, redundancy
goddammit, read it again



comprehende?

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Chill out Chemmy.....

You didn't answer my question then did you? N does not effect terp profiles in the same way as those I listed.

If you can't get over being called a moron....Try having MMG accuse you of everything short of Murder and call you names...
I can live with Moron,,,,,that's easy....

And I say the kids right.....You can not taste specific differences in the results from different nutrient lines! Not after a proper dry and cure.....That all goes back to "confirmation bias" again!
Now organic to synthetic - You betcha!

Get it now? No insults here. Your just looking at it from a skewed perspective.

Still butt hurt and doubting yourself eh @Dr. Who?

You almost sounded like a real scientist there for a minute. Then the organic to synthetic difference.

But there is no difference if the proper trace elements are included. Did you read your own lecture?

MichiganMedGrower said:

Would love to see any proof or even a study other than the one previously discussed of the specific compounds you say changing or (enhancing?) terpene profiles.

Or the Mn raising thc.

Or do we only have your lecture with no textbook and no credentials to go on @Dr. Who?

And if you are going to refer to or about me with your mis-interpreted opinions at least have the balls to page me for your condescending "lesson".

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If I supply it. You'll say I got it from googling! I'm sure there's plenty of answers to be found by googling the question the right way....

I have no desire to interact with you. I stated fact on your "opinion". Confirmed by your response here.

As far as the Mn thing goes - I listed the paper the theory comes from in that thread. It was supported and being practiced by others here and one even explained how to do it properly in relation with Fe, which is critical.

Now go find it yourself, your so "educated" - do it! I can think of at least 6 or 7 papers on the subject. Of course in relation to other plants - After all, it's illegal to do any research involving cannabis in the US..

In fact. There is ample information on enhancing terps in taxus! Individual papers on that exist all over.....You do your own work in proving me guilty.....I have nothing to prove. I'm RIGHT!

MichiganMedGrower said:

Still butt hurt and doubting yourself eh @Dr. Who?

You almost sounded like a real scientist there for a minute. Then the organic to synthetic difference.

But there is no difference if the proper trace elements are included. Did you read your own lecture?

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That's NOT what I said.

Your inability to actually see what I'm writing and what I mean reveals your lack of real education.

Your putting words in my mouth for your own benefit.

YOU have never run organic! Organic will taste different from synthetic use. No one has the ability to adjust by supplementation by the degree it would be need to copy the rich flavors developed by organic growing.

However, By the use of organic forms of MgSO4 and K2SO4 in organic supplementation. You could change the terp profiles to one way or the other.

BUT WHY?

Dr. Who said:

Tell us what compound in those nutrient lines effects that flavor.....What effects the terp profile.....Doesn't the dry and cure effect it to? What about how it's stored? The RH of it?

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Dr. Who said:

Who says I did?

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you did ^^ you doubted specific nutrients could be detected and I answered you. nitrogen is a very specific fertilizer and can be detected right?

Dr. Who said:

Chill out Chemmy.....

You didn't answer my question then did you? N does not effect terp profiles in the same way as those I listed.

If you can't get over being called a moron....Try having MMG accuse you of everything short of Murder and call you names...
I can live with Moron,,,,,that's easy....

And I say the kids right.....You can not taste specific differences in the results from different nutrient lines! Not after a proper dry and cure.....That all goes back to "confirmation bias" again!
Now organic to synthetic - You betcha!

Get it now? No insults here. Your just looking at it from a skewed perspective.

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you add "in the same way".

nitrogen will affect terpene profile. sniff weed fed nitrogen to the end- at harvest, that is a terpene profile, it is now affected by a fertilizer compound named nitrogen. without the nitrogen the terpene profile would be different than with the nitrogen, thus=the nitrogen has affected the terpene profile aye.
could go on with many nutrient components. on and on even.

I cant tell you which brand of fertilizers were used of course. I can tell you if it was correctly grown though even a couple weeks in a drying room will be obvoius.=over fed, under fed, etc several ways, tissue samples, sniffs, tastes, burns, etc.

also, what you do to chemically change the profiles of weed after its harvested....like fermenting excess unburned carbs out of the cabbage parts has nothing to do with proper feeding while the plant is alive. Many things could be done to drying weed to change profiles as you admit.

either way, good weed can be detected before fermentation by experienced lovers of cannabis.

If I grew for weight or photos I'd pack those girls to the max, wouldnt be able to smoke them normally though, until they ferment some. But I care not of weight or photo's my weed is awesome as soon as its dry, sometimes before dry even.

chemphlegm said:

you did ^^ you doubted specific nutrients could be detected and I answered you. nitrogen is a very specific fertilizer and can be detected right?

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If over used......In fact I listed a form of N as being on the list for Taxus use, to increase certain terpenoids. The action of the N on the taxus was to increase plant growth and thus the increase the desired terpenoid by volume in relation to plant size. The others, especially the fungus - increases the actual production of the desired terpenoid....

But aren't you claiming to taste the N? That's what you've said in the past.
If you over feed N. It's not increasing any specific terpenoid profile. It's done by the user of the product. So then, if you increase the use of any of those products (differing nutrient lines). You find the same result in that subject.

I'm saying the idea of being able to taste the difference between differing nutrient lines is sketchy at the very best.
In all the things over the years, that passed over my shelves. I do not recall any specific nutrient line having a specific taste in the results.

That clearer?

chemphlegm said:

you add "in the same way".

nitrogen will affect terpene profile. sniff weed fed nitrogen to the end- at harvest, that is a terpene profile, it is now affected by a fertilizer compound named nitrogen. without the nitrogen the terpene profile would be different than with the nitrogen, thus=the nitrogen has affected the terpene profile aye.
could go on with many nutrient components. on and on even.

I cant tell you which brand of fertilizers were used of course. I can tell you if it was correctly grown though even a couple weeks in a drying room will be obvoius.=over fed, under fed, etc several ways, tissue samples, sniffs, tastes, burns, etc.

also, what you do to chemically change the profiles of weed after its harvested....like fermenting excess unburned carbs out of the cabbage parts has nothing to do with proper feeding while the plant is alive. Many things could be done to drying weed to change profiles as you admit.

either way, good weed can be detected before fermentation by experienced lovers of cannabis.

If I grew for weight or photos I'd pack those girls to the max, wouldnt be able to smoke them normally though, until they ferment some. But I care not of weight or photo's my weed is awesome as soon as its dry, sometimes before dry even.

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It's back to any nutrient line doing that - if over feed. NOT one line being different to another and effecting terp profiles...

Dr. Who said:

If over used......In fact I listed a form of N as being on the list for Taxus use, to increase certain terpenoids. The action of the N on the taxus was to increase plant growth and thus the increase the desired terpenoid by volume in relation to plant size. The others, especially the fungus - increases the actual production of the desired terpenoid....

But aren't you claiming to taste the N? That's what you've said in the past.
If you over feed N. It's not increasing any specific terpenoid profile. It's done by the user of the product. So then, if you increase the use of any of those products (differing nutrient lines). You find the same result in that subject.

I'm saying the idea of being able to taste the difference between differing nutrient lines is sketchy at the very best.
In all the things over the years, that passed over my shelves. I do not recall any specific nutrient line having a specific taste in the results.

That clearer?

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2 words, BUD CANDY

chemphlegm said:

I cant tell you which brand of fertilizers were used of course. I can tell you if it was correctly grown though even a couple weeks in a drying room will be obvoius.=over fed, under fed, etc several ways, tissue samples, sniffs, tastes, burns, etc.

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Oppsy! Missed that! My bad!

Now we're on the same road!

I still say a longer "proper" cure will cure that newbie mistake - well, at least seriously improve it anyway.

Dr.Nick Riviera said:

2 words, BUD CANDY

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LOL, a fitting example. Still, buy the chemical compound and make it for your self at proper rates and for seriously less money...

But you knew that already my friend -

Dr. Who said:

It's back to any nutrient line doing that - if over feed. NOT one line being different to another and effecting terp profiles...

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yes of course. you only had to be more clear earlier, when you said I could not taste the component in a nutrient line. yes, I can. I can detect nitrogen. every time. mostly when folks are using hydro, for the love of adding shit, like more ferts. this produces an off flavor in my herb. it produces an off effect in my high too. I used your sulphur rec a month or two ago and my plants(2) suffered to the compost in the end. I applied it one time in flower and saw detriment next day. this may mean that my substrate has near exact amounts of needed resources and tipping the hat was the detriment.

issue is overfeeding weed
the cure is to not do so.
the cover up is fermentation

Dr. Who said:

It's back to any nutrient line doing that - if over feed. NOT one line being different to another and effecting terp profiles...

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clearly I said I could not detect the differences between brand names of nutrient supplies. never disagreed, only when you said I could not detect components of fertilizers.

you went off for the moron thing. but you were mistaken from the gate. rewind and see the redundancy of the page?
new posters calling others morons is ill. he is a moron for doing so. a big square dildo moron.

MichiganMedGrower said:

I never hear any respected growers complain about potting soil. Just maybe how they ammend if they have to use it.

I only use it for convenience. I don't even think it's the best I used. And I hate mixing perlite.

I have been thinking of organic fertilizer mixed in to pro mix more lately in my flower pots.

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EB Stone makes a compost blend that's perfect for adding to an inert medium to create a rich soil. It's compost plus bat guano, alfalfa, oyster shell, langbeinite, etc.
Just blend it with ProMix HP and you're done.

Of course there are better/cheaper alternatives, but this is fast & easy. (Zero "cooking" required.)

I got a busy day. But this is what I'm talking about. Now we can really learn something. Exciting. I will be on later. I'm really not trying to piss any one off. I just have a passion for growing just about anything. Its fun its exciting. I'm a firm believer we are just breaking the threshold on being able to get maximum flavor out of strains. Cant wait to read this later. Also organic and chems. I do think you can tell the difference flavor wise no issues there. please excuse grammar errors. my cellphone like to type for me

Dr. Who said:

If I supply it. You'll say I got it from googling! I'm sure there's plenty of answers to be found by googling the question the right way....

I have no desire to interact with you. I stated fact on your "opinion". Confirmed by your response here.

As far as the Mn thing goes - I listed the paper the theory comes from in that thread. It was supported and being practiced by others here and one even explained how to do it properly in relation with Fe, which is critical.

Now go find it yourself, your so "educated" - do it! I can think of at least 6 or 7 papers on the subject. Of course in relation to other plants - After all, it's illegal to do any research involving cannabis in the US..

In fact. There is ample information on enhancing terps in taxus! Individual papers on that exist all over.....You do your own work in proving me guilty.....I have nothing to prove. I'm RIGHT!

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The burden of proof is on the affirmative position.

Debate 101

Illies1982 said:

I got a busy day. But this is what I'm talking about. Now we can really learn something. Exciting. I will be on later. I'm really not trying to piss any one off. I just have a passion for growing just about anything. Its fun its exciting. I'm a firm believer we are just breaking the threshold on being able to get maximum flavor out of strains. Cant wait to read this later. Also organic and chems. I do think you can tell the difference flavor wise no issues there. please excuse grammar errors. my cellphone like to type for me

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yaddi yaddi yaddi...."I was drunk yesterday evening dont mind me"....

I get a lot of gnats in Happy frog.

Super easy to get rid of. Their presence just means you have really good soil.