How often do you get bugs in your FFOF?

MichiganMedGrower · Jul 31, 2017

Dr. Who said:
If that's where your from - Now I understand your being an asshole......
Car dealer with ever changing stories.
Reads books for 2 years.
Grows for what? 4 years now?
Gets ass kicked off other grow sites for being a douchebag. Including a pvt site run by a guy with 41 years of growing and experimenting.

Your on this site almost non fucking stop. You have no other life but to hang here and play god.
Looks as though your stuck in your house while the girl friend actually works (you say Mrs. but the truth is your not married).
All you really have in your life is her and your life here!

You blame all these different people for your problem on RM3's site and in truth it's all your own fault. You make up stories about the people there and a few here too. You blame them for all sorts of shit and claim you tell the truth.

YET, every single one of the other people tell it differently then you and the same as each other's. Now why would that be?
As soon as someone comes in with something you don't like or agree with - you spin it to be their fault and them to be the wrong doer's. But all those fingers point directly back to you, while you keep flipping your finger to one or the other, trying to deflect you own guilt.

Just because someone doesn't grow "your way" does not automatically make (especially) you,, right....
You make mountains out of mole hills and adjust stories to your gain, at the cost of others. So you look squeaky clean.
Let me point out here one of them. YOU were speeding! You're not telling the truth about how close to the house you were pulled over, are you? 2 things on that MMBSer......YOU were driving stupid for carrying and/or after consuming. To bbe pulled over for speeding here in MI.....98% of the time you have to be going 10 over, or the cops don't find it worth it to stop you...
You have had to be stomping on the gas, in a higher performance car to be pulled over in less then 300 ft - yeah folks, less then 300 ft from the driveway he came from......Got a Hellcat too MMBSer?

I'll bet it was farther down the road. And he was butt hurt about the other guys weed being better. I know, I know, your going to claim that his was "moldy" and made you (and your "wife") sick.....I don't believe that MMBSer. I've spoken to others he has met with......Your BS story does not follow what several others say.....

You have to belittle others to lift yourself up.
Your simply a sad human being....and I use the term "Human" very lightly...

You need to grow the fuck up and move back to Jersey. You belong there!

That was all not what I said and mostly not true

But it is true I have not legally married my girlfriend I have been with for 9 years.

I have been completely honest in person and in my posts.

And Rm3 did not ban me. I left. He wanted to give me his phone number so I could call him and we could work it out.

After he broke my privacy posting part of a private message to him.

And I wasn't speeding. I just pulled out of the driveway. And in an old Ford Taurus. And not fast. I have to turn a couple blocks from his house. They had to be watching me leave there. And I was not carrying. They were hoping I was.

And I was on the river all day yesterday. Not here. I only log in when I am home and check and post when I have idle time. And I have a permanent illness so I spend a lot of time when I am home resting. And online.

I have a house to run and a perpetual garden that I work every day.

How do you actually come up with your silly theories?

you aren't sure who is lying or you wouldn't bother with me anymore.

Budget Buds · Jul 31, 2017

Fox farm products are all garbage in general, i can tell when someone fires up a joint if it was grown with fox farm nutrients, I've also seen invert's in there soils.... I'd rather go dig near a bog for soil if i was using it.

MichiganMedGrower · Jul 31, 2017

Budget Buds said:
Fox farm products are all garbage in general, i can tell when someone fires up a joint if it was grown with fox farm nutrients, I've also seen invert's in there soils.... I'd rather go dig near a bog for soil if i was using it.

The products are all fine if you know how to use them. I wish it were legal to send you a sample. Every strain I grow in it tastes very different.

Budget Buds · Jul 31, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
The products are all fine if you know how to use them. I wish it were legal to send you a sample. Every strain I grow in it tastes very different.

Allow me to expand on my last statement , FF can bring cannabis happily to maturity, In that fact it's not garbage, Nothing against you or anybody else who uses and likes FF, and I would appreciate(sample) it but I do not ingest fox farm grown cannabis ,I can taste and smell it every time, even in brownies and shit i used to make with FF grown cannabis. It's always been this way with me.It just tastes like shit , overpowers the natural smells and tastes and ruins it for me, And usually after i point it out to someone and bust out something grown without FF . they can taste and smell it too

MichiganMedGrower · Jul 31, 2017

Budget Buds said:
Allow me to expand on my last statement , FF can bring cannabis happily to maturity, It that fact it's not garbage AND Nothing against you or anybody else who uses and likes FF and I would appreciate it but I do not ingest fox farm grown cannabis ,I can taste and smell it every time, even in brownies and shit i used to make with FF grown cannabis. It's always been this way with me.It just tastes like shit , overpowers the natural smells and tastes and ruins it for me, And usually after i point it out to someone and bust out something grown without FF . they can taste and smell it too

Are you saying this about just the soil? Or their additives?

Because over feeding is what usually causes what you are describing.

chemphlegm · Jul 31, 2017

I'm done with smoking hydroponic weed grown by others. it always tastes like a morning golf course smells, like a fresh bag of
nitrogen lawn ferts. Its not the system I know because I've used several without the off flavor tastes and smells.

Budget Buds · Jul 31, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
Are you saying this about just the soil? Or their additives?

Because over feeding is what usually causes what you are describing.

The soil has harbored mites and aphids before, Before I went hydro I used FF soil , for almost two years I didnt have an issue, then I did about 3 times in a row. Changed everything in the rooms, all new everything each time. I had a friend tell me he thought they were from the soil so I opened a bag of it in an empty spare room in a kiddie pool, Watered the hell out of it and set it on a heating vent and i saw bugs in the soil with my own eyes with in two weeks , My plants never got them cause I switched to a DWC for that grow and never looked back at a soil based growing system unless it's outside .

Yeah the over feeding did not help the tastes at all but when I did my first DWC I continued to use FF nutrients and they still had the same smells, even with me 1/5th ing the dosages. I found BC's technaflora and pretty much used them mainly ever since. No issues with any ph, toxicity or deficiency , And way better tastes and smell's. You experience's may (will) vary

Chunky Stool · Jul 31, 2017

Budget Buds said:
The soil has harbored mites and aphids before, Before I went hydro I used FF soil , for almost two years I didnt have an issue, then I did about 3 times in a row. Changed everything in the rooms, all new everything each time. I had a friend tell me he thought they were from the soil so I opened a bag of it in an empty spare room in a kiddie pool, Watered the hell out of it and set it on a heating vent and i saw bugs in the soil with my own eyes with in two weeks , My plants never got them cause I switched to a DWC for that grow and never looked back at a soil based growing system unless it's outside .

Yeah the over feeding did not help the tastes at all but when I did my first DWC I continued to use FF nutrients and they still had the same smells, even with me 1/5th ing the dosages. I found BC's technaflora and pretty much used them mainly ever since. No issues with any ph, toxicity or deficiency , And way better tastes and smell's. You experience's may (will) vary

Which Technaflora products do you like? I've used Pura Vida for years (among other things).

papa canna · Jul 31, 2017

@ Michiganmedgrower While I will not call you a liar, and I know from you posts and pictures that you obviously know what you're doing. But I find it borderline to unreasonable to hear that you've gotten bags of the same soil for years and years from multiple locations and NEVER saw a bug. Maybe things are different in SE MI but i've never opened a bag of FF or RO and not seen bugs from 4 different stores. Either the places you're getting them from are quite lucky, or maybe you need a new magnifier. Fungus gnats at the very least at some point. I can see bugs being less prevalent in other places but if im seeing bugs in the bag (before it even comes to my grow space) for the last 2 years and you havent seen any at all, something is afoot. It almost sounds worth driving to BFE for.

MichiganMedGrower · Jul 31, 2017

papa canna said:
@ Michiganmedgrower While I will not call you a liar, and I know from you posts and pictures that you obviously know what you're doing. But I find it borderline to unreasonable to hear that you've gotten bags of the same soil for years and years from multiple locations and NEVER saw a bug. Maybe things are different in SE MI but i've never opened a bag of FF or RO and not seen bugs from 4 different stores. Either the places you're getting them from are quite lucky, or maybe you need a new magnifier. Fungus gnats at the very least at some point. I can see bugs being less prevalent in other places but if im seeing bugs in the bag (before it even comes to my grow space) for the last 2 years and you havent seen any at all, something is afoot. It almost sounds worth driving to BFE for.

I have seen gnats flying around palettes of soil at hydro stores. I wouldn't buy them. And as suspected the bags were dense and heavy feeling. They got wet at some point. Then they harbor bugs.

I use a zoom 40x hand held microscope to see. And have checked the plants and soil bin each time I saw a gnat. And hang sticky cards.

You can count the gnats I have seen in my room in the woods next to a lake and river way out in the country with 1 hand. And only one ever stuck to my yellow sticky cards.

And the gnats only appear when I have too many plants crowding.

Humid micro climates are formed and the bugs know and appear.

But I am proactive adjusting these things quickly.

Tim Fox · Jul 31, 2017

MichiganMedGrower said:
And hang sticky cards

sticky cards work great,,

Dr. Who · Jul 31, 2017

papa canna said:
@ Michiganmedgrower While I will not call you a liar, and I know from you posts and pictures that you obviously know what you're doing. But I find it borderline to unreasonable to hear that you've gotten bags of the same soil for years and years from multiple locations and NEVER saw a bug. Maybe things are different in SE MI but i've never opened a bag of FF or RO and not seen bugs from 4 different stores. Either the places you're getting them from are quite lucky, or maybe you need a new magnifier. Fungus gnats at the very least at some point. I can see bugs being less prevalent in other places but if im seeing bugs in the bag (before it even comes to my grow space) for the last 2 years and you havent seen any at all, something is afoot. It almost sounds worth driving to BFE for.

I won't call him a liar for that either.....But it's highly suspect, as you say.
I mean I've gone through some with no problems too. Then blam, it's got them...

See, FFsoils are harvested from the "wild", and at differing locations across the US. they change regularly too. It's simple to conclude that some locations maybe free of some bugs. Then they hit a section that is not.
Anyway, they then amend that harvested soil and package & ship..... They do not "sterilize" the soils at all....I wouldn't want them to either. You loose to much that way.

FF soil's have been notorious for FG for years. It's been in magazines multiple times too. Thing is, the FG aren't the worst thing to deal with. Once we (3 of us split a skid load) got root aphids and for the life of us. Could not understand "how"...... The wild grapes ended up being free of them. The grown grapes on my property were not infected. Where did this come from?

Went thought the soil in a partial bag (finally) and used a microscope to search for eggs or larva.....Bingo!
Neither I or friends have used it since...

Now you need to remember! This was 2-3 mining locations ago...... That problem is long gone and know plenty of others. Still on the FF soil bandwagon who have not had that problem.....

I simply choose to not deal with the possible problems of it's use.....Too damn easy to make your own, and the way you want.

Stick with what makes you happy..

Tim Fox · Jul 31, 2017

I like the stick to what makes you happy

Illies1982 · Jul 31, 2017

jesus this is ridiculous, you got one guying saying he can taste when its grown with fox farm product what bullshit. You got someone else saying he's checking out the soil with a 40x mag. glass after someone ask he's asked if he sees bug. 1 out of 6 bags have bugs. I doubt you even use it if you don't know this. I was being nice with one of my other post. Just joined this site. I figure I would chat with others that had a passion for growing. Also to learn and give some advise from what I have learned from the last decade and half. Then I hear this was corn fields of buds in nj. I would make a million from those gen. Come on. Then the multi million dollar grow in Colorado. Its just like grow the fuck up. We are all here because we enjoy growing marijuana and what to learn and help guide fellow growers. Its not dick contest here. As far as Dr. Who from what Ive read from his post seems like a excellent grower and provides people with fact base knowledge. But whatever. written on cellphone please excuse grammar errors

Yodaweed · Jul 31, 2017

Fox Farm Ocean Forrest is over priced, low quality , and full of bugs. You'd be better off using some cheap soil from a gardening store.

genuity · Jul 31, 2017

Illies1982 said:
jesus this is ridiculous, you got one guying saying he can taste when its grown with fox farm product what bullshit. You got someone else saying he's checking out the soil with a 40x mag. glass after someone ask he's asked if he sees bug. 1 out of 6 bags have bugs. I doubt you even use it if you don't know this. I was being nice with one of my other post. Just joined this site. I figure I would chat with others that had a passion for growing. Also to learn and give some advise from what I have learned from the last decade and half. Then I hear this was corn fields of buds in nj. I would make a million from those gen. Come on. Then the multi million dollar grow in Colorado. Its just like grow the fuck up. We are all here because we enjoy growing marijuana and what to learn and help guide fellow growers. Its not dick contest here. As far as Dr. Who from what Ive read from his post seems like a excellent grower and provides people with fact base knowledge. But whatever. written on cellphone please excuse grammar errors

Very good post...

MichiganMedGrower · Jul 31, 2017

Illies1982 said:
jesus this is ridiculous, you got one guying saying he can taste when its grown with fox farm product what bullshit. You got someone else saying he's checking out the soil with a 40x mag. glass after someone ask he's asked if he sees bug. 1 out of 6 bags have bugs. I doubt you even use it if you don't know this. I was being nice with one of my other post. Just joined this site. I figure I would chat with others that had a passion for growing. Also to learn and give some advise from what I have learned from the last decade and half. Then I hear this was corn fields of buds in nj. I would make a million from those gen. Come on. Then the multi million dollar grow in Colorado. Its just like grow the fuck up. We are all here because we enjoy growing marijuana and what to learn and help guide fellow growers. Its not dick contest here. As far as Dr. Who from what Ive read from his post seems like a excellent grower and provides people with fact base knowledge. But whatever. written on cellphone please excuse grammar errors

You pick the one grower to trust that has no current pics or proof of him actually growing. And you wouldn't know unless you read his posts for a while but it is all someone else's info he seems to be repeating.

When someone claims a test or new info becomes available suddenly Dr who has already tested it and has known since the 70's.

And I only visited the places I mentioned and told what I saw. Many years ago when I was young.

And I said about the million light heartedly in jest as those seeds were the real "roadkill" Skunk from back then.

Do I need to document my opening bags of soil every week to prove my claims? I have posted my results and credible info all over these forums.

Should I drop names here of famous criminals that I met the kids of in high school?

I don't even like ocean forest. It's dense as hell and need perlite. But it is what is available near me that is inside, dry and clean.

You should look around more before you make accusations or acclaims.

papa canna · Jul 31, 2017

I'd like to note that I did not SEE any bugs in the bag of happy frog that I bought, at the same store, at the same time. Just the ocean forest

Edit, also, does anyone here deal with HM on a semi regular basis? Suddenly these little fuckers are everywhere in that soil.

Budget Buds · Jul 31, 2017

Illies1982 said:
you got one guying saying he can taste when its grown with fox farm product what bullshit

I'm not here to get into a pissing match but when it happens it usually with some pro growing "newb" who posts 10 posts and is flamed out of existence . only to take up residence with the other's at ic mag .
Believe it not you can taste fox farm nutrients in product, It's not some big secret or anything. You may smoke cigarettes, drink liquor frequently or just have lame taste buds and or brains. I'm not knocking FF if it works for you , but I dont use it and if your at the bon fire and bust some out i would not smoke it, And believe me I can tell as soon as it's lit..... or dont and continue you're narrow mindedness into ignorance , that could be fun I suppose if that's your deal lol....

Chunky Stool said:
Which Technaflora products do you like? I've used Pura Vida for years (among other things).

I just use the standard stuff, Tried pura vida and it's good but it clogged my emitters in my aero so went back to the standard stuff. I dont use the whole line, just the Grow, Bloom and Micro with cal mag and sugar daddy

BB

Illies1982 · Jul 31, 2017

LMAO. Your a moron. Yup just decide to grow yesterday and figure I would come take advise from a guy that says he can taste the flavor of fox farm. You must have super human taste buds my man, so can you taste it when using 1 product or all. What really makes this any different then any syn. nutes. all they are is mainly the same ingredients just different percentages your the retard. I don't need to get in dick contest with you. I can already tell your incompetent. Also I only grow organic now. Its where the markets headed.
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How often do you get bugs in your FFOF?

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