Illies1982
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that's for budget grow. Also I wouldn't be passing you anything by the bomb fire. I don't some anymore. I just grow. I have friends that test my products. Its better that way.
How often do you get bugs in your FFOF?
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Budget Buds
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Hey go with the market and have fun budder's, It's funny a guy who does not smoke is telling me what we can or cannot detect in cannabis. You'll fit right in over at icmag, check em out lmao
Illies1982
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past tense moron. That's the use too part. for a simpleton like yourself. That would mean I use to smoke. I stopped smoking for a few reasons. But that's none of your business. I'm done here I made my point. An no I'm happy, but thank you. Keep on keepin on my man
SPLFreak808
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I'd just like to add, when i would purchase ocean forrest from a local hydro store it would come with orange colored hyposasis predators & fungus gnats.
The gnats only stick around for a week or two in my environment & the predators are minimal (usually only spotted 1 every other 3/4 weeks)
The gnats only stick around for a week or two in my environment & the predators are minimal (usually only spotted 1 every other 3/4 weeks)
MichiganMedGrower
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I'm not here to get into a pissing match but when it happens it usually with some pro growing "newb" who posts 10 posts and is flamed out of existence . only to take up residence with the other's at ic mag .
Believe it not you can taste fox farm nutrients in product, It's not some big secret or anything. You may smoke cigarettes, drink liquor frequently or just have lame taste buds and or brains. I'm not knocking FF if it works for you , but I dont use it and if your at the bon fire and bust some out i would not smoke it, And believe me I can tell as soon as it's lit..... or dont and continue you're narrow mindedness into ignorance , that could be fun I suppose if that's your deal lol....
I just use the standard stuff, Tried pura vida and it's good but it clogged my emitters in my aero so went back to the standard stuff. I dont use the whole line, just the Grow, Bloom and Micro with cal mag and sugar daddyBB
Please tell me what and how the plants uptake from ocean forest that would impart a particular flavor profile.
It is peat and bark mostly. It doesn't even have enough ammendments to warrant an NPK rating.
It is just a growing medium.
MichiganMedGrower
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I wonder if they leave the bag if it is dry long enough? I will keep my eye out for the predator bugs.
I did see one in potters gold once. Freaked me out at the time.
SPLFreak808
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Not sure, probably high in demand honestly so it wouldn't have much chance to dry out. Don't really matter to me, thats the nature of organic soil.
I see ALOT of growers use FFOF and they spend big bills on it, I've got friends that grow outdoor in multiple 150/300 gal fabric pots and they will ONLY run ocean forrest which is perfectly fine, i came from ocean forrest and i didn't have nothing bad to say about it except $$$ lol
I prefer my own from scratch, not only is it cheaper but i have full control for all varieties which is very helpful for me for flowering seeds.
MichiganMedGrower
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I never hear any respected growers complain about potting soil. Just maybe how they ammend if they have to use it.
I only use it for convenience. I don't even think it's the best I used. And I hate mixing perlite.
I have been thinking of organic fertilizer mixed in to pro mix more lately in my flower pots.
chemphlegm
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I loved techna flora big time too. how would we know if bugs came to the soil or from the soil while it sits out for two weeks? no matter the source if I water most anything and let it sit for two weeks bugs will be on it, even plain water, a wet towel, etc. not being a dink just need clarification.The soil has harbored mites and aphids before, Before I went hydro I used FF soil , for almost two years I didnt have an issue, then I did about 3 times in a row. Changed everything in the rooms, all new everything each time. I had a friend tell me he thought they were from the soil so I opened a bag of it in an empty spare room in a kiddie pool, Watered the hell out of it and set it on a heating vent and i saw bugs in the soil with my own eyes with in two weeks , My plants never got them cause I switched to a DWC for that grow and never looked back at a soil based growing system unless it's outside .
Yeah the over feeding did not help the tastes at all but when I did my first DWC I continued to use FF nutrients and they still had the same smells, even with me 1/5th ing the dosages. I found BC's technaflora and pretty much used them mainly ever since. No issues with any ph, toxicity or deficiency , And way better tastes and smell's. You experience's may (will) vary
what kind of bugs did you see?
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chemphlegm
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is this the organics list you use ?
chemphlegm
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look, stop with the name calling right. someone can taste ferts and you cannot so that makes them a moron?
maybe ask them for a description of the tastes, maybe learn from others I dunno, but its a bastard dick who comes in calling names out of the gate.
try the decaf mate
Illies1982
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nope that would be fox farm recipes. I know my organics but there you go thinking you know me. I wanted to know which chemical he could taste. Cause most syns. are same just differenct percentages. but I'm don't have time for people like you have a good one. I was half a sleep when posting past tense thing. But I know I not a genius you guys aren't either!!
Can you taste an bud too? or just foxfarm
Can you taste an bud too? or just foxfarm
Illies1982
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foxfarm products are decent products a lot of people use them. I use to use them. I had happy customers when selling buds that came from it. has far as the soil I never really cared about a few knats. I got sick of all the bark chips. but that was 3 or 4 years ago. they may have fixed that problem
chemphlegm
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I only asked a question, the rest of your dribble is senseless.
people like me? please elaborate if you have the time of course.
when I follow the directions on EVERY nutrient system I've used I cannot taste any off flavors.
When I use organic feeding habits I can taste the differences between the two and long ago chose organic style for my needs.
experienced growers have always known that fertilizers can and will vastly affect the flavors and smells(those are called terpene profiles btw) of indoor cannabis.
Makes sense to me that a person who can discern the differences is simply more experienced than one who cannot. I dont think that makes either of you a moron but calling someone a moron because of it actually would make you a moron.
stay tuned, moron this later
Dr. Who
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Tell us what compound in those nutrient lines effects that flavor.....What effects the terp profile.....Doesn't the dry and cure effect it to? What about how it's stored? The RH of it?
Why is he a moron Chemmy?
Because he believes that you can not tell specific nutrient lines used by the taste of the finished product?
Your going down a wrong road here....Can you tell organic from synthetic? Pretty much so, and with little to no problem for many.
Can you tell if AN was used vs. Hesi, or any other synthetic line vs. another line?
Be fucking real here guys....
chemphlegm
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you should already know this, I am disappointed.
lets start here with less nutrient resources than what is needed for proper plant finish and full expression.
what do we get? a plant with little nose, little terpene profile.
now gradually increase these needed nutrient resources in each bucket/grow
what do we get? more nose, more terpene expressions, more complete finish
Now continue these successive grows and keep increasing these necessary nutrients and what do you get?
well, after the plant is given every needed nutrient resource it wont use additional nutrients.
keep feeding additional nutrients nd what do we get? less nose, less proper finish, less terpene profiles., and of course golf course type smells, like nitrogen toxicity, a horrible tasting product, poor burn, many many grow this way, not surprised its been excused and cured after the fault
can I taste that? you bet your ass I can, and it all depends on what and how much you are feeding. sure, sweating your cabbage to ferment unburned carbs should improve these off flavors and off tastes , but so could many tricks to combat an overfed plant, typically done for more weight, photo's etc, not so good for smoking though, you should know these things by now eh
can I tell the difference, you bet, thats why I feed organic style right.
Easiest way to tell if you have overfed salt based nutrients is the smell at harvest, the taste at two weeks of drying, the brix tissue sample before harvest, many many ways of detecting off flavors and smells caused by salt ferts, long before fermenting to "cure" the dis-ease of over feeding lol
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chemphlegm
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chemphlegm
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adding nitrogen-a very specific nutrient- at end of flower, will adversely affect the flavor of harvested marijuana.
who dafuck would dispute this well known fact anyways?
who dafuck would dispute this well known fact anyways?
Dr.Nick Riviera
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LOL
Dr. Who
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@Illies1982 you should read this too..
I asked what chems IN those nutrient lines are making an actual difference between one brand or another in the production of terpeniods......
Overfeeding/underfeeding is not the issue here - That's totally up to the human doing the growing. Same thing for doing a 4 line side by side. You would have to be dialed in for each line. At the end, with a correct 8 week cure.....The difference would be minimal and you would not be able to tell one nutrient line used from another.
The general balance of those compounds that actually effect the terpenoid production. ARE a basically set amount in the industry. There are 6 major compounds that effect the terp production. There are secondary effecting compounds. Some of each are available in supplements to do exactly that.
Smart growers know they can express certain terp production by what compound they add to do the job. How do I know?
When I grew yew for the drug Paclitaxel or Taxol, the cancer drug, at the rate of 18 million plants at any given time. I had to lead teams to amend the soil properly - for optimum growth. Then we would use amendments, with specific chemical compounds and even a fungus. This would increase the the plants taxus production by an average of 1100% from about 20 to 225 up/l. And yes, Taxus is a terpenoid in certain yew plants.The compounds used the most were - NaOAc (Sodium acetate [anhydrous]), NH4NO3 (Ammonium nitrate) and MgSO4 (Magnesium sulfate) and a specific mutated form of Fusarium maire.
By the way. The basic list of compounds that effect actual terpenoid production include - NaVO3 (Sodium metavanadate), NH4VO3 (Ammonium metavanadate), NiSO4 (Nickel sulfate), VOSO4 (Vanadyl sulfate), CuSO4 (Copper sulfate), MnSO4 (Manganese Sulfate), K2SO4 (Potassium Sulfate) and MgSO4 (Magnesium Sulfate).
Do you see a trend in that list? Trace Metals? S? It is said and widely accepted that Sulfur bearing compounds have the greatest effect on the terpenoid profile of MJ. The kicker is that the metal end of the compound effects differing terpenoids to express differing smells and flavors of your MJ. (This is something MMG had trouble with in some things I post(ed) in the past.)
You can make your MJ more citrus or more berry/grape expressing. Simply by supplementing different compounds...
Some of the ones above, I may not use with cannabis. Like NaVO3 which is a phosphate inhibitor.
Getting my drift yet? All this BS about tasting chems in products - means that the product was overfed it at the least and if it's MJ, not cured properly.
Oh, and by the way. It's now quite confirmed that MnSO4 (when used properly) can and does increase THC levels in cannabis.
That topic has been covered here before.....
There chemmy, you got me to do the big answer to your consistent harping on what you can taste in cannabis as far as chems go. It answered and closed this topic on differing lines having differing taste profiles. - Not likely unless they have differing trace element compound levels in the things listed.