How much does genetics really matter for seeds? How much of it is a scam?

Trap Star said:

I have smoked a lot of weed...
It has changed over the years...
It will change again...how I don't know
That said....

I know a good high when I feel one...
I know superior genetics when I see them
I know superior growers when I encounter one
I am an OG.

I have seen growers produce mega beautiful plants.
With perfect nugs ...frost monsters
Not a 'hairy' nug in sight...just perfectly dense nugs
So genetics can improve with the grower

I have seen absolute shit shows that shine due to powerful genetics. They both go hand in hand.

As for growing the fire
I can compete at canna cup levels in hydro...
I know this...
I am however NEW to strictly coco coir growing.
I can't compete with anyone in that

I know that as more people start to grow...
The weak growers will thin out
As large hoop house growers fail to put out fire
Buyers will seek other sellers

I am wait for cannabis rescheduling..
I think it will open the flood gates to even more growers. I think $100 is the lowest cannabis will dive before people start paying $200-$300 an Oz again...

I just bought 5 packs of seeds from Shoreline genetics...his packs have fire in them...
I just have to find it.
Chem 91
ECSD
DeathStar
Shoreline
Crippy...
All old school ...so we shall see

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Greengrouch said:

I’m closer to 40 than 30, much less 20 lol and I’ll take today’s weed over the old mexi brick and beasters any day. Sure you could find dank back then but you were gonna pay 60 an 1/8, never mind how much more worry free growings gotten. It’s an easy to grow plant, as long as the parents were decent and the grow environment too aside from some outliers most of the weeds gonna be decent too. People with different world views make seeds too, like some folk are profit driven and will charge what the market can bear, others just want people to have medicine they can afford but still have overhead so they charge enough to cover it, others just want to share a cool thing they made fuck the money. That’s why seeds that grow into dank can range from free to several hundred a pack

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DanKiller said:

Hunting ?
You even read the thread or just here to slip a non relevant msg ?
This concept is not hard to understand
Either your starting point is good or it's not.
You can absolutely get shitty phenos from elite mothers, that's where working the line comes to play, we are fed up with hunting, we want the old times back when breeders actually do their job and work their lines so us buying those lines can actually hit what the breeders deep heart intent was.
Times where you go to a coffeeshop, smoke some shit, think it's bomb, go buy seeds from a known breeders and get that elite in your house.
But they won't do it, and why ? People pay so much for F1 or S1 it's insane.
No one has an incentive to do the work.

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Tolerance Break said:

I know shoreline is legit, but its always suss when people have regular seed of clone only plants. Like, how did lucky dog and Shoreline BX chem 91 when it was one of many bagseed from a dead show, and all the seeds popped females?

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DanKiller said:

Hunting ?
You even read the thread or just here to slip a non relevant msg ?
This concept is not hard to understand
Either your starting point is good or it's not.
You can absolutely get shitty phenos from elite mothers, that's where working the line comes to play, we are fed up with hunting, we want the old times back when breeders actually do their job and work their lines so us buying those lines can actually hit what the breeders deep heart intent was.
Times where you go to a coffeeshop, smoke some shit, think it's bomb, go buy seeds from a known breeders and get that elite in your house.
But they won't do it, and why ? People pay so much for F1 or S1 it's insane.
No one has an incentive to do the work.

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J2M3S said:

Crippy is available in clone form.
Just saying.

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Trap Star said:

I know about the Tampa crippy sunshine state has...
I specifically wanted the 808 genetics crippy...
I have seen the pics an one looks more like an OG
Plus I want to put the Supa Kauai story to bed

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smokerjimbob said:

I didn't know that growing decent weed would be this hard. I started growing because for some reason I thought any homegrown weed would be better than dispensary weed. I thought anything I grew would be good smoke. Couldn't be farther from the truth. All my grows so far worse than dispensary. I'm beginning to think even the good schwag from back in the day was the result of very selective breeding. The average weed you grow will be just a plant basically. It may or may not have some THC. Basically I believe seedmakers just sell whatever. They can and they will do this because you'll never know until you smoke it 4 months later.

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smokerjimbob said:

I didn't know that growing decent weed would be this hard. I started growing because for some reason I thought any homegrown weed would be better than dispensary weed. I thought anything I grew would be good smoke. Couldn't be farther from the truth. All my grows so far worse than dispensary. I'm beginning to think even the good schwag from back in the day was the result of very selective breeding. The average weed you grow will be just a plant basically. It may or may not have some THC. Basically I believe seedmakers just sell whatever. They can and they will do this because you'll never know until you smoke it 4 months later.

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pegboy said:

1994-Kind Bud- I would smoke then play my guitar for an hour or so until my buzz started wearing off.

2024-Flavor of the moment weed- I would smoke then play my guitar for an hour or so until my buzz started wearing off.

About the same I would say. As time goes on we all look back fondly and think somehow it was different than perhaps it actually was. Its human nature. Coming from a guy who smoked like a maniac for 20+ years then quit for 20 years and now smoke again. The only thing different I've noticed is that in general the weed is better on average but at the top tier its about the same as I remember it was. My .02 cents.

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Mumbeltypeg said:

you sound a bit bitter there jimbob.. and I suppose I would be too if I had invested time growing stuff I don’t like. How many grows/different strains have you got under your belt? Because what you’re saying makes little to no sense to me.. with a bit of research and a little prior knowledge you can definitely get some amazing strains through good breeders.
Do you have the characteristics in mind you are wanting to grow? Flavour profile/colours/density/euphoric/couchlock/trichome heavy? Different strains offer different profiles and some may not be to your taste.. it’s taken me years to know what I like to grow (heavy shit that makes your head feel like it’s falling off your shoulders when you tip your head back), and my good friend who also grows likes the complete opposite (mild, cerebral speedy stuff you can function on)..
paying a grand for a good strain is fine I guess but it’s going to suck if it’s still not to your taste.

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zoomer428 said:

Its not an opinion that today's genetics are better than yesterday's lol.

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Gemtree said:

I only grow that Jerusalem Kush that Jesus smoked. Make you walk on water

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Tolerance Break said:

Professor P just dropped an F5 of Mt Hood Huckleberry, and his Blue Magoo is at f3 I think?

AKBB has f5 Kali Mist and IBL NL strains.

Bohdi openly expresses he breeds packs for the purpose of hunting, and he does his due diligence to test them out before release or mark them NFT (Not fully tested) most of the time his packs run 50 bucks.

I agree breeders should do better, but I'm a firm believer that we as buyers should do the work to find the good stuff and show what we want with our dollars.

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