dstroy
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You used quantitatively wrong again lmao
You’re definitely a Corey or a Trevor hahahahahaha
linuxman
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Dude
I'll compare both 5 gallon and 30 gallon HPA systems, it doesn't take that much of IQ to comprehend that a bigger chamber should provide better results quantitatively of all variables.
Here are those "half arse" easy to find nozzles which "El Cheapo" DIYers aeroponics noobies like you use (the one on the center), I tried them before, don't like em. They are not engineered by NASA and does not provide good consistent 50 microns hydro-atomized mist for true aeroponics applications. I hate the fact it uses a hose barb fitting.
The NASA nozzles are the ones on the most right, those work perfectly and flawlessly (obviously) and clog free, they provide a much better consistent hydro-atomized mist in the 50 microns range. State of the art misting nozzle, and I like the fact it utilizes a 1/4" NPT male thread connection.
The nozzles on the left most, are super cheap nozzles, they provide a nice mist but no where near the 50 micron range, I was planning to use these for a LPA system and conduct a quantitative test.
I'll be ready for your excesses when you are proven wrong that your 5 gallon toilet bucket system is inferior as compared to a proper professional true aeroponics system which utilizes NASA's science misting nozzles, lab grade sensors and with a larger root chamber...
I tried this system many many years ago with the same exact 5 gallon bucket you got, but I used the real deal stuff, NASA's 50 micron nozzles. I got excellent results right after day 2. As I have said countless of times, nothing is wrong with this system, I however was not pleased with it because it does not follow the proper science of "true aeroponics", so therefore I felt the 5 gallon bucket was just wasting my time and would might as well just grow on LPA since it easy and cheap to implement. I can use some super cheap misting nozzles, cheaper than the ones you got and it's quantitative data after harvest will be similar to the toilet bowl HPA system.
I'll compare both 5 gallon and 30 gallon HPA systems, it doesn't take that much of IQ to comprehend that a bigger chamber should provide better results quantitatively of all variables.
Here are those "half arse" easy to find nozzles which "El Cheapo" DIYers aeroponics noobies like you use (the one on the center), I tried them before, don't like em. They are not engineered by NASA and does not provide good consistent 50 microns hydro-atomized mist for true aeroponics applications. I hate the fact it uses a hose barb fitting.
The NASA nozzles are the ones on the most right, those work perfectly and flawlessly (obviously) and clog free, they provide a much better consistent hydro-atomized mist in the 50 microns range. State of the art misting nozzle, and I like the fact it utilizes a 1/4" NPT male thread connection.
The nozzles on the left most, are super cheap nozzles, they provide a nice mist but no where near the 50 micron range, I was planning to use these for a LPA system and conduct a quantitative test.
I'll be ready for your excesses when you are proven wrong that your 5 gallon toilet bucket system is inferior as compared to a proper professional true aeroponics system which utilizes NASA's science misting nozzles, lab grade sensors and with a larger root chamber...
dstroy
Well-Known Member
Here's some of my quantitative environmental data that's automatically plotted over a time series for me:
lol just a little more advanced data collection and analysis than a multimeter temp probe
My conclusions are 100% more informed than yours were.
lol just a little more advanced data collection and analysis than a multimeter temp probe
My conclusions are 100% more informed than yours were.
Dude
I tried this system many many years ago with the same exact 5 gallon bucket you got, but I used the real deal stuff, NASA's 50 micron nozzles. I got excellent results right after day 2. As I have said countless of times, nothing is wrong with this system, I however was not please with it because it does not follow the proper science of "true aeroponics", so therefore I felt the 5 gallon bucket was just wasting my time and would might as well just grow on LPA since it easy and cheap to implement. I can use some super cheap misting nozzles, cheaper than the ones you got and it's quantitative data after harvest will be similar to the toilet bowl HPA system.
I'll compare both 5 gallon and 30 gallon HPA systems, it doesn't take that much of IQ to comprehend that a bigger chamber should provide better results quantitatively of all variables.
Here are those "half arse" easy to find nozzles which "El Cheapo" DIYers aeroponics noobies like you use (the one on the center), I tried them before, don't like em. They are not engineered by NASA and does not provide good consistent 50 microns hydro-atomized mist for true aeroponics applications. I hate the fact it uses a hose barb fitting.
The NASA nozzles are the ones on the most right, those work perfectly and flawlessly (obviously) and clog free, they provide a much better consistent hydro-atomized mist in the 50 microns range. State of the art misting nozzle, and I like the fact it utilizes a 1/4" NPT male thread connection.
The nozzles on the left most, are super cheap nozzles, they provide a nice mist but no where near the 50 micron range, I was planning to use these for a LPA system and conduct a quantitative test.
I'll be ready for your excesses when you are proven wrong that your 5 gallon toilet bucket system is inferior as compared to a proper professional true aeroponics system which utilizes NASA's science misting nozzles, lab grade sensors and with a larger root chamber...
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Geodawg22
Active Member
Dstroy knows what he's talking about. He may appear abrasive at the surface but deep down he's a good guy that wants to help; he just does not have the time for bs. He's helped me a lot with my grows over the years and I know he's one of the few people who can walk the talk. (Implementing practical usage rather than talking theory)
If you're growing very big plants that veg for 2 months, then go with a big 25+gallon tote for the roots. They will eventually envelope the misters which is not ideal. This was done with HPA 105-120 PSI with very fine tefen misters. Having that space allows more roots but the more the roots, harder to keep everything hydrated and then you will have root death at certain places.
5 Gallon is what I tried next and they work well, are modular and easy to move to train etc. Definitely you can grow in these. Only reason I stopped growing in this is because it's not ideal when dealing with hundreds of plants whether you Drain to waste or recirculate.
Stinkbud fence posts. I am using these now because they're easier to deal with , 8 plants in each 8' rail works great and easy to move around. Interestingly enough, all 8 plant roots will fit inside the rail. Also LPA works with this since the extra water works like NFT in the rail. You can drain to waste or recirculate
In Conclusion: Don't be too caught up in specifics and fine details of the equipment. You're trying to grow good buds, that should be your priority.
If you're growing very big plants that veg for 2 months, then go with a big 25+gallon tote for the roots. They will eventually envelope the misters which is not ideal. This was done with HPA 105-120 PSI with very fine tefen misters. Having that space allows more roots but the more the roots, harder to keep everything hydrated and then you will have root death at certain places.
5 Gallon is what I tried next and they work well, are modular and easy to move to train etc. Definitely you can grow in these. Only reason I stopped growing in this is because it's not ideal when dealing with hundreds of plants whether you Drain to waste or recirculate.
Stinkbud fence posts. I am using these now because they're easier to deal with , 8 plants in each 8' rail works great and easy to move around. Interestingly enough, all 8 plant roots will fit inside the rail. Also LPA works with this since the extra water works like NFT in the rail. You can drain to waste or recirculate
In Conclusion: Don't be too caught up in specifics and fine details of the equipment. You're trying to grow good buds, that should be your priority.
dochickory
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Just saw this only a few years nice!
Bron-Y-Aur Stomp
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Hey man, I'm doing sprayers as well, aero system. Pump is set to come on in Intervams 10min on and 20 min off. The pumps are 4500GPH and the misters I'm using still dont seem to have the pressure I want, I wonder if it's the air tubing is to small maybe? I cant figure it out, I'd think the smaller thr feed line the higher the pressure but I've gone through a few pumps maybe I need a bigger feed line? I've been pretty successful other wise and have run the system in a 30 veg and 30 flower system, learning new things all the time.
buckaclark
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Ok son,I believe you
buckaclark
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Any one can have Musk
Hi, I’m building my own HP aero system, and I’ll have 120-145 psi. I’m considering Tefen and IKEUCHI KBN nozzles. I’ve seen your project, and you’ve got great results. I wanted to ask which specific nozzles are working in your system?
Wastei
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Not to burst your bubble but have you considered AA "Atomizing Aeroponics"? You use a compressor with accumulator tank to create pressure, air and nutrients are mixed at the nozzle. It's a way quieter system and there's less parts prone to failure.
I have a HPA system in the basement that I'm going to use in the future but if I were to set up a new system I would go the AA route.
I was considering a compressor, but it would be too loud. In my setup, a water pump will pressurize an accumulator tank up to 145 psi. It’s a very quiet system. The solenoid valves will open in intervals.
Wastei
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A small compressor that runs every two days is more than quiet! You will have a hard time finding big enough accumulator tank according to specs to not let the pump run very frequent. A diaphragm pump is almost as noisy as a compressor IMO, especially considering how less frequent the compressor needs to cycle.
I've searched the net for a commercially viable accumulator tank but most top out at 110 psi maximum at a smaller size. Another issue is nutrient stagnation in a larger accumulator tank compared to an aerated reservoir with added compressed air at the nozzle.
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Ok, I have 235 psi and an accumulation tank of 12 liters. I have this pump https://m.alibaba.com/x/x1feCKr?ck=pdp
it’s very quiet. My friend has the same one, and his HP system is quieter than a mixing fan. It achieves impressive results.
it’s very quiet. My friend has the same one, and his HP system is quieter than a mixing fan. It achieves impressive results.
Drop That Sound
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I wonder how long you could run off a couple large scuba air tanks with regulators, with or without the accumulator tank. The bigger old school kind, which you can find used for a good deal. Then you could make all the noise somewhere else, when filling them offsite. The portable 4500+ psi PCP scuba/paintball compressors are somewhat affordable now, so you wouldn't have to go to the paintball shop or wherever to have them filled all the time. I've seen those kind of compressors as low as $150!