High Pressure Aeroponics

dstroy

Well-Known Member
Oh god, this is what we would call a valid and typical "half-arse" areoponics, super DIY style on a 5 gallon toilet bowl and labeling/classifying it as a "true aeroponics". This is why I did not even bother checking your grow, I already knew this is what the toilet bowl would look like, I even predicted it and mentioned it on my previous comments... not surprised, you can not call this a "true aeroponics".
You can call it however a 5 gallon toilet bowl HPA or something similar in that range.

In science we say "quantitative" so we can measure the quantity of the variables that interests us. Obviously how I was implementing it.
Seems like you just copy and paste something without even comprehending what it is meant, I have never observed a person at this level of dumb-dumb.

Here are some examples when someone tells you that they want quantitative data of your toilet bowl system:

Example #1, for the person with low IQ and comprehension: How many grams of yield can that toilet bowl produce as compared to a true aeroponics system.

Example #2, for the person with low IQ and comprehension: How many days does it take for that toilet bowl system to complete a harvest.

Example #3, for the person with low IQ and comprehension: How many liters or gallons of liquid nutrients does the toilet bowl system consume for the entire grow cycle?

Yeap, I was right all along, entire toilet bowl is compacted with farmer's haystack, hell, even your "wanna be" NASA fake "El-Cheapo" supposedly "50 micron" misters are literally digged in and submerged in the roots, your toilet bucket is not even hydro atomizing over 70% of the root's surface area properly, what you got here is similar to a drip system. Those are "half-arse" nozzles, been there, bought it, done it, they are garbage. Anyways it's literally inside or extremely close to the roots in which the mist is obviously hitting the most upper layer compacted roots and thus forming water droplets like to a LPA or drip system, this is what feeding the other 70% of bottom roots.

Dude... this is not a true aero system, its a hybrid system utilizing HPA tech.
Matter of fact, I'll send this pic over to "Agrihouse" and let them laugh about it... LMFAOOOO

You used quantitatively wrong again lmao

You’re definitely a Corey or a Trevor hahahahahaha
 

linuxman

Well-Known Member
Dude
I look forward to your failures lol
I tried this system many many years ago with the same exact 5 gallon bucket you got, but I used the real deal stuff, NASA's 50 micron nozzles. I got excellent results right after day 2. As I have said countless of times, nothing is wrong with this system, I however was not pleased with it because it does not follow the proper science of "true aeroponics", so therefore I felt the 5 gallon bucket was just wasting my time and would might as well just grow on LPA since it easy and cheap to implement. I can use some super cheap misting nozzles, cheaper than the ones you got and it's quantitative data after harvest will be similar to the toilet bowl HPA system.

I'll compare both 5 gallon and 30 gallon HPA systems, it doesn't take that much of IQ to comprehend that a bigger chamber should provide better results quantitatively of all variables.


Here are those "half arse" easy to find nozzles which "El Cheapo" DIYers aeroponics noobies like you use (the one on the center), I tried them before, don't like em. They are not engineered by NASA and does not provide good consistent 50 microns hydro-atomized mist for true aeroponics applications. I hate the fact it uses a hose barb fitting.

The NASA nozzles are the ones on the most right, those work perfectly and flawlessly (obviously) and clog free, they provide a much better consistent hydro-atomized mist in the 50 microns range. State of the art misting nozzle, and I like the fact it utilizes a 1/4" NPT male thread connection.

The nozzles on the left most, are super cheap nozzles, they provide a nice mist but no where near the 50 micron range, I was planning to use these for a LPA system and conduct a quantitative test.

I'll be ready for your excesses when you are proven wrong that your 5 gallon toilet bucket system is inferior as compared to a proper professional true aeroponics system which utilizes NASA's science misting nozzles, lab grade sensors and with a larger root chamber... :bigjoint:

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dstroy

Well-Known Member
Here's some of my quantitative environmental data that's automatically plotted over a time series for me:

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lol just a little more advanced data collection and analysis than a multimeter temp probe

My conclusions are 100% more informed than yours were.

Dude


I tried this system many many years ago with the same exact 5 gallon bucket you got, but I used the real deal stuff, NASA's 50 micron nozzles. I got excellent results right after day 2. As I have said countless of times, nothing is wrong with this system, I however was not please with it because it does not follow the proper science of "true aeroponics", so therefore I felt the 5 gallon bucket was just wasting my time and would might as well just grow on LPA since it easy and cheap to implement. I can use some super cheap misting nozzles, cheaper than the ones you got and it's quantitative data after harvest will be similar to the toilet bowl HPA system.

I'll compare both 5 gallon and 30 gallon HPA systems, it doesn't take that much of IQ to comprehend that a bigger chamber should provide better results quantitatively of all variables.


Here are those "half arse" easy to find nozzles which "El Cheapo" DIYers aeroponics noobies like you use (the one on the center), I tried them before, don't like em. They are not engineered by NASA and does not provide good consistent 50 microns hydro-atomized mist for true aeroponics applications. I hate the fact it uses a hose barb fitting.

The NASA nozzles are the ones on the most right, those work perfectly and flawlessly (obviously) and clog free, they provide a much better consistent hydro-atomized mist in the 50 microns range. State of the art misting nozzle, and I like the fact it utilizes a 1/4" NPT male thread connection.

The nozzles on the left most, are super cheap nozzles, they provide a nice mist but no where near the 50 micron range, I was planning to use these for a LPA system and conduct a quantitative test.

I'll be ready for your excesses when you are proven wrong that your 5 gallon toilet bucket system is inferior as compared to a proper professional true aeroponics system which utilizes NASA's science misting nozzles, lab grade sensors and with a larger root chamber... :bigjoint:

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Geodawg22

Active Member
Dstroy knows what he's talking about. He may appear abrasive at the surface but deep down he's a good guy that wants to help; he just does not have the time for bs. He's helped me a lot with my grows over the years and I know he's one of the few people who can walk the talk. (Implementing practical usage rather than talking theory)

If you're growing very big plants that veg for 2 months, then go with a big 25+gallon tote for the roots. They will eventually envelope the misters which is not ideal. This was done with HPA 105-120 PSI with very fine tefen misters. Having that space allows more roots but the more the roots, harder to keep everything hydrated and then you will have root death at certain places.
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5 Gallon is what I tried next and they work well, are modular and easy to move to train etc. Definitely you can grow in these. Only reason I stopped growing in this is because it's not ideal when dealing with hundreds of plants whether you Drain to waste or recirculate.

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Stinkbud fence posts. I am using these now because they're easier to deal with , 8 plants in each 8' rail works great and easy to move around. Interestingly enough, all 8 plant roots will fit inside the rail. Also LPA works with this since the extra water works like NFT in the rail. You can drain to waste or recirculate
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In Conclusion: Don't be too caught up in specifics and fine details of the equipment. You're trying to grow good buds, that should be your priority.
 

dochickory

Well-Known Member
Hi dstroy! It has been hectic since the end of June. The grow was massive. It exceeded expectations and produced huge buds and an exceptional harvest, all of this with only five plants. I have been trimming and drying for the last three weeks. The bud is now going into cure. I’m not sure of the final cost, nor final mass. I’ll have to calculate it when I’m done with the rest of the trimming. But, before I get ahead of myself, here are some pics to explain what I can’t eloquently put into words.

Here is a shot right before harvest.

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This is after a lot of trimming.

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I had to hang the clipped plants that I couldn’t get to finish. I still have to dry trim them later.

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Here is one choice bud that was snagged before I got to clip it…

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This is after the drying.

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This is what I have so far for yield.

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I like to cure and store the bud in pressure cookers. It’s almost hermetically sealed and they are light proof. I had to purchase two more because of the yield. I'll start filling them after I get through with this post.

All in all, I am very pleased with the system. I could not get pictures of the root mass. Atomizer was correct when he said that it would be difficult getting to the roots with this system. In fact, I still can’t get to them. I’ll have to see what is left after the rest of the trimming is dealt with. Concluding this grow, I am pleased with the results. I have gleaned a lot of knowledge, and I lot of bud! There are tweaks that I can implement in future grows.

- ZXC
Just saw this only a few years nice!
 

Bron-Y-Aur Stomp

Well-Known Member
High Pressure Aeroponics

It has been a while since I posted on the forum, but I recently got interested in High Pressure Aeroponics (HPA). I have searched many forums, perused posts from some of the giants (Fatman, and others I don’t want to put out there) and I have tried to construct a viable plan for the assembly and implementation of a high yield, optimal, indoor system. I have had great success with DWC (Deep water culture), RDWC (Recirculating DWC) , and LPA ( Low-Pressure Aeroponics- sometimes called Soak-a-ponics), but all of these systems are time, resource, and labor intensive. The lack of accessible cohesive resources has prompted me to seek the experiences, knowledge, and wisdom of growers here, to build a repository for future growers exploring the benefits of Aeroponics. I will attempt to outline a scaffold of a simplistic high-pressure Aeroponics system with the hope that growers that are more knowledgeable will contribute, redirect, and explain the science involved. Please feel free to add to this discussion, correct and excuse any nonprofessional fallacies, and maintain decorum, as this is an instructional posting.

HPA simplistically utilizes a fine mist of water and salts, approximately 50 microns in diameter, to wet the roots of a plant in a uniform fashion. This application provides the nutrients and hydration for optimal assimilation and subsequent integration into biomass. Provided at specific intervals and quantity, in association with adequate photosynthetically active radiation (PAR) and climate controls, plants will grow to their genetic potential. Constructing a system to attain said environment is attractive to hobbyist and professional growers alike.

The basic ideology of an HPA system is that a reduced nutrient solution, low parts per million (PPM) solute, is pressurized to 80 PSI or greater, and aerosolized to fine droplets. These are absorbed by the plant, in addition to requisite oxygen, to provide resources for growth without input of energy from the plants, as they are readily bioavailable. Creation of said system is feasible and affordable with current technology.

Nutrient solutions are pumped at 80 PSI or greater through a misting nozzle directed at the roots. Optimally, the mist saturates the root zone and provides humidity and nutrients to the plant. Timed at specific intervals, the plants are afforded water, macro and micronutrients, oxygen and environment that reduce disease. A booster pump, spray nozzles, and short-cycle timer are the basics needed to begin creating a HPA system.

Some of the nuances integral to these systems are: nutrient schedules, nozzle size, mist timing, and redundant fail-safes. Throughout my research, I have encountered many unanswered questions. Some of these will be found through empirical evidence, others by serendipity. I will post my findings as time allows. To be continued…
Hey man, I'm doing sprayers as well, aero system. Pump is set to come on in Intervams 10min on and 20 min off. The pumps are 4500GPH and the misters I'm using still dont seem to have the pressure I want, I wonder if it's the air tubing is to small maybe? I cant figure it out, I'd think the smaller thr feed line the higher the pressure but I've gone through a few pumps maybe I need a bigger feed line? I've been pretty successful other wise and have run the system in a 30 veg and 30 flower system, learning new things all the time.
 

Nano992

New Member
Elon Musk f***d your NASA. Nasa is a money laundering agency
So you theorists don't understand how right dstroy is!
 
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