High PH signs, symptoms and correcting...Pictorial!! A must read for newb'z

tikitoker said:

First off dude, we never said that if you don't PH prior, you harvest will be shit compared to ours. What we are simply getting at is that PH is not always "buffered" in every soil mix weather in organic or amended, and we (or SIP) is showing the PROPER way to remedy. Once back on track, hey, do what works for you, but until then, listen, apply and learn. Bro, I have a minor in advanced horticulture and I'm working to master, I am a state certified Master Horticulturist, state and federally liscensed and certified IPM technician and turf & landscape technician/chemical applicator. LOL let me tell you, optimal conditions are challenging. You have a lot to learn friend.....

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Actually you did say if you don't "PH" your buds will be crap, I quoted you above.

And I couldn't care less about your creds, although I do think it is great that you are certified to spray lawns with chemicals, not sure what killing weeds has to do with growing one.

I think you need to read this thread from the beginning. The premise is that if you see droopy leaves, it's likely a PH problem, and the advise for newbs is to focus on adjusting PH. My contention all along is that is bad advice for newbs, that if they have to adjust for PH they should look at their soil composition or their nute regime as first focus. The OP has created an environment where he needs to adjust PH,and that's fine, but for the majority of growers that don't do this full time, the best advice IMO is to build a potting mix that buffers PH and find a nute that doesn't swing PH so wildly that it harms your plants. Real simple stuff, and no degree's required. We are growing a weed after all.

The great think about what's happening in Colorado and WA is we will see real studies come out that dem

yes you will see the studies they run and the results. I also do emphasize the importance of a good soil and how much it affects plant growth. Truth is, 75% of new growers here, i see at least 4=5 every day, do not put there seed/clone in a good soil. they plant in some shit gravel with low drainage, not an ariy mix and usally hasnt been ph buffered. Then once the roots of there plants have grown thru the mixture, they start to have problems.

This was meant as a symptom and correction, this is how I correct a high ph. This is not how every grower does it. this is not how all the pot growers in the world should do it.

I was putting my experience up to help people who are watching there plants suffer, because 1. they didnt use a good soil, 2. didnt buffer their soil. 3. didnt mix any type of amendment into the soil. skip these steps and you have un-healthy plants, simple right?

Now ph problems happen, good soil or bad. Do you think the grower from one of the oldest seed banks in the netherlands wasnt using good soil? or do you think he is wrong to focus on the correct ph. or do you think it was really another problem not related to ph at all. Do they buffer their soil in the marijuana capital of the world? he watered with low ph water, 2 weeks later the plants were shit started dying. Why is this so hard to wrap you iron head's around.

think of what is going on here?

fuk, all YOU guys are telling newbs to water with low or high ph water, knowing they have SHIT soil, thats not buffered, thats the fukt part of all this. your advice is the fukt part, not mine!!


Im the one telling them to use 6.5 water and they will have better looking plants with better yields in SHIT soil. If they have a plant that looks droopy, dark green growth, claw. it might just be high ph and this is how I correct it. why tell them to just scrap a whole plant or a whole bunch of plants and start over, wtf? they are not going to do that. they have a hard time committing euthanasia on their males. cannabis does grow at 6.5 right?

why water with something different than 6.5, maybe I will water my orchids with a ph they dont like, maybe 2 years of not flowering this will stress them into flowering. ya think? It is really screwd up any one.... any one would advise a new grower to water with whatever. After a few grows, they will learn cannabis likes a good soil and upgrade their soil, buffer it with lime/woodash and make some additions like perlite lava rock and vermiculite.

This is turned into BATTLE BUD '14'

so much ignorance in one post, you've outdone yourself.

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plaguedog said:

pH of your water source is bunk if you don't know the rest of the make up of the source. If your water has zero BUFFER capability, then you WILL get wild pH swings. RO water has this problem, it has ZERO capability to buffer the pH. ALKALINITY of your water source is more important to know (don't confuse the two alkalinity and pH are COMPLETELY different). You could have a pH of 9.0 with low alkalinity content and a pH of 7 and HIGH alkalinity content and guess which water will change the substrates pH quicker? It's been studied DOZENS of times. (IT's NOT THE water with a pH of 9)


Look I appreciate the thread but you don;t have all the facts here. Get your water source sampled and then come back to me.

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it will take a small amount of acid to swing the pH of a ppm @ > 50. (drinking water). if the ppm is at 5000 and a stable pH of 7, it will take MUCH more acid. the buffer should decontaminate a slight pH shift. I reuse the same soil, coco, perlite, earth, ect.. i know its bad practice but I make it work. . pH matters if you have no buffer, you know that - dude.. rad...

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dubcoastOGs said:

so much ignorance in one post, you've outdone yourself.

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still guy? you keep posting nothing usefull, u just wana suck the other members dick and get cum all down your throat.

why dont you do some research, google, wiki, how about a grow guide, do you even own one? maybe buy one, but you probably dont have the 25 buks cause you live with your parents, and have to wait till friday to get your allowance.

hey dub, you got a little brown on your nose. you are a dub, true O G D U B you named your self that lol

Lets focus on gramer, your a child, your ignorant, you dont know what your doing, your wrong, like others stated. post after post after post, not a drop of evidince to support your claim except, others said so, thats your proof.

Dude I gotta ask, do you even grow weed? its really evident each post of "your retarded, you have 7th grade science, still trying to prove yourself, you out did yourself" your not even a grower.

now to the true growers of this thread there is alot of info here. There is tons of evidence to support why ph is important, and how the soil works hand in hand with bacteria, fungus, and root systems.

If I help one grower out there by this thread, ive done what i wanted to accomplish. Help new growers that really need it. I wish there was "internet" when I started growing, it wasnt even invented when I put my first seed in the ground.

good luck dubby, thought you were out? you really cant resist.
Your like the kid who hasnt got laid, now at 18 your still a virgin, one of your friends smoked weed once so you thought it was cool, so you go online and hop on some dick and bitch at everyone, dude if I wanted to get bitched at and called names , i could just ask my girl for that.

So you are going to call up the grower from dutch passion and tell him ph of water doesnt matter, sounds like your the one trying to re-write history of growing. dutch passion has no idea what they are doing, they dont breed cannabis, cant grow, and the ironic thing is, im stating the same thing as him.

The dutch grower and myself are wrong. guess we better go back to school.. hahaha

lmao. sure buddy.

I love you.



and btw... Dutch Passion... you can't be serious

lmao too!! did you call dutch passions grower yet? ask for the doc when you do. Be sure to tell him he is wrong and explain to him how you dont have to worry bout the ph of the water he is using, and tell him the soil will buffer without correction. im sure he needs to know this asap.

lol really

sigh...

I'm sorry good sir, but no one gives a fuck about dutch passion, or "doc" (nothing personal doc)

keep talking partner

oh just another fun tid bit i found http://vric.ucdavis.edu/pdf/Soil/ChangingpHinSoil.pdf

thats straight from the university of California. good to know. I will consider this during my next greenhouse grow!!

good info here. I think the biggest mistake one can make is adding lime to a premade mix like FF. I did that and regret it. My plants are just not happy at 7 and there's really no way to adjust it. I know that goes against what experienced growers here say, but that's just my own experience.

dubcoastOGs said:

sigh...

I'm sorry good sir, but no one gives a fuck about dutch passion, or "doc" (nothing personal doc)

keep talking partner

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ahhh.. u got it mixed up, no one give a fuk about you!!

why not learn from the worldwide leaders and front line of cannabis? holland. (thats where dutch passion's seeds bank is)

bondoman said:

good info here. I think the biggest mistake one can make is adding lime to a premade mix like FF. I did that and regret it. My plants are just not happy at 7 and there's really no way to adjust it. I know that goes against what experienced growers here say, but that's just my own experience.

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It takes alot of water to leach lime. You could try correcting it with an acid that is stronger than lime.

sativa indica pits said:

It takes alot of water to leach lime. You could try correcting it with an acid that is stronger than lime.

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Yeah I have some aluminum sulfate on order, but in the meantime I'm just doing as you did, giving them around 4 or 5 PH and they seem to be doing better with the compensation.

dubcoastOGs said:

so much ignorance in one post, you've outdone yourself.

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Save face....have some pride....kick rocks.

I haven't read this whole pissing match but the title is about ph
And the op demonstrates, with pics, what happens when ph is corrected.....what's the problem?

ogilthorpe said:

Actually you did say if you don't "PH" your buds will be crap, I quoted you above.

And I couldn't care less about your creds, although I do think it is great that you are certified to spray lawns with chemicals, not sure what killing weeds has to do with growing one.

I think you need to read this thread from the beginning. The premise is that if you see droopy leaves, it's likely a PH problem, and the advise for newbs is to focus on adjusting PH. My contention all along is that is bad advice for newbs, that if they have to adjust for PH they should look at their soil composition or their nute regime as first focus. The OP has created an environment where he needs to adjust PH,and that's fine, but for the majority of growers that don't do this full time, the best advice IMO is to build a potting mix that buffers PH and find a nute that doesn't swing PH so wildly that it harms your plants. Real simple stuff, and no degree's required. We are growing a weed after all.

The great think about what's happening in Colorado and WA is we will see real studies come out that dem

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Im still not seeing in my quote where is said your buds will be crap. What do you do for a living???? Yes I would like some fries with that! and a fucking blowjob loser. Wrong--- the advise for noobs is to consider PH first. How the fuck can you rule out PH unless you test for it. And how to correct it without flushing a shit ton of water thru it. Also it states that the optimal PH in soil is 6.5. Plants that steer away from optimal have problems. If I read it correctly. aH YES, EXCELNT INFO.... ADVISE A NOOB TO BIULD HIS OWN SOIL. WOW AND SPEND MORE MONEY IN SEARCHING FOR COMPATABLE SOIL+ FERTZ. You are right abut the fact that is just a weed and it requires no degree to cultivate. Co and WA has had plenty of time, I see no result. You are a fucking retard if you think for one second that my education/credentials don't have an impact on my buds quality. You have a lot to learn.

tikitoker said:

you and aimaim don't make very many teas do you?

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Just exactly what did I say that caused you to drop my name, and drag me into this Romper Room of a botany class?

Teas? I've never made one. I don't even know why you would say that.

Seriously.... why exactly did you even make reference to me? I'd encourage you, in the future, not to do that.

romper room ...lol

AimAim said:

Just exactly what did I say that caused you to drop my name, and drag me into this Romper Room of a botany class?

Teas? I've never made one. I don't even know why you would say that.

Seriously.... why exactly did you even make reference to me? I'd encourage you, in the future, not to do that.

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Your right man....my bad, you didn't do anything to me. Sorry, I was ramped up and heated.

In soil - ph is a symptom, and tells you nothing about the real issue at hand

I'm really enjoying this now

pSi007 said:

it will take a small amount of acid to swing the pH of a ppm @ > 50. (drinking water). if the ppm is at 5000 and a stable pH of 7, it will take MUCH more acid. the buffer should decontaminate a slight pH shift. I reuse the same soil, coco, perlite, earth, ect.. i know its bad practice but I make it work. . pH matters if you have no buffer, you know that - dude.. rad...

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Of course and that's the whole point. pH can also change and very quickly IN YOUR WATER depending on what type of fertilizer you are using...Especially important is the type of nitrogen. I see it all the time, people in hydro using RO water and wondering why the fuck they get crazy pH swings. Because your water has little to no pH buffering capability.....

For some of you that think you can change the pH of a soil/soiless medium in a container crop that takes but a few months to grow are a little off base here. It takes longer than you think UNLESS your water source has a very HIGH alkalinity content in it to raise the substrate pH.

Almost all quality commercial soiless mediums are just fine out of the bag. A lot of them don't require extra lime (like promix) or for fucks sake all the perlite people like to mix in. Once you start fucking around by adding more drainage amendments, you start to screw with the CEC of the medium and just add to the problem.

This thread has some decent info in it, but a lot of real bad as well.