theloadeddragon
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are those clear bottles? Yes please share your procedure and materials...... ????
Hayduke's Seldom Seen Garden
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Hayduke
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would u share ur recipe and process? I'm interested!
The bottles are brown to keep out light and the tincture is also mostly brown with a greenish yellow tint in the dropper after you expel the contents.
After re-reading I realized this was wordier than my usual long-windedness...so I have highlighted the basics in red for those with short attention spans
I basically followed "Master Wu's" recipe.
I used 17g's of 99% buds from the recently harvested KT. Ground in coffee mill. I made a little cookie sheet of Al foil, and activated in a 325 degree oven for about 7 minutes, killed the oven and it cooled to 275 for another 10 or so. The extra time was due to the bud being freshish and not bone dry so a period of time in the oven it could not get above 212 until water gone.
Bud was a little darker and lightly toasted, but still fairly green.
Master Wu suggests activating after the neighbors have gone to bed, but for me we get a marine layer that comes in and the moist air holds odors and there is less breeze. The wind was blowing a little and I did it in mid day. KT is very aromatic and kinda fuelish smelling. the house smelled like you took really strong smelling bud, crushed it in your hand and jammed your nose in your fist, filtering all air through the bud!...Strong!
I then mixed the activated ground bud with 8oz of Bacardi 151. I heated this in a water bath to 170 degrees (alcohol boils here).
Master Wu's instructions are to do this for 20 minutes. From many other comments others have had little luck reducing the volume at all in this time, much less by half. The "GreenDragonSoda" guy suggests 30 minutes or so because the alcohol has not reached a boil for 10 minutes or so.
Well in cooking (and science) the variables have an effect. My pyrex measuring cup (1pint) maybe is thicker than a jelly jar, and my volume was 4 times M. Wu's recipe, anyhow it took 20 minute or a little more to reach 165ish and I probably boiled (reduced) it for 30-40 until my 8oz was 4oz.
Let it cool while I went to pick up the kid from the mall and get the bottles,
strained through coffee filter (I will probably use my Chinois and maybe cheese cloth if needed next time) The coffee filter only worked for about half and then the bud just held the alcohol, so I rolled it up in the wet filter and with latex gloves, squeezed the shit out of it. I then tried to press between two spoons but my fist worked better, was gentle to the filter and was actually quite effective...with cheese cloth would be better. With cheese cloth...grasp 2 corners on opposite ends, twist in opposite directions repeatedly while keeping pulled tight (hands away from each other)
The fist was good enough, so I decided not to use the "Makin's clay/[hash] press", but I could have got another few ml's
So the bottles are 30 ml. I do not think 30ml is full. I poured the tincture back into measuring pitcher and it was ~4oz. I think I actually ended with ~120ml. edit:maybe 110-115ml.
M Wu describes filling the dropper bottles with the dropper to find out the dose or titration. He got about 34 drops per bottle or about 1ml per bottle and doses 1-2 dropperfuls and he swallows...it's cool..No ha8!...I mean he does not let it absorb on tongue. I believe the liver does a little chemistry robbing the brain of all the fun, so I want as much subcutaneous absorption as possible...anyhow the droppers in the bottles do not pull a full dropper, barely half, so it took ~45 droppers to fill the bottles (~55 to top but third bottle ran short and evened them out)
My initial titration was 2 of these small dropperfuls. After one hour I was kinda high, like I had 3 strong cookies or so. I then took 2 more and smoked 1 toke, that was about 2.5 hrs ago. I am going to take a toke, but I am still good. This was not a very good titration as the 2 doses were an hour apart, I have been smoking all day (tolerance is beating my lungs in the race) and I had nothing to eat all day and ate around the same time.
I think the dose is still 4 for me which is really 2 full droppers or about 2-3ml
Each bottle has about 5g's of bud, so 4 is about a half gram.
I will try 4 in the morning and not eat for a couple hours.
The first dropper seems to mostly absorb on the tongue, but then makes your mouth water so much you end up swallowing a bit. The first one can burn pretty good
And the taste is...well it tastes just like you might imagine. I am taking a trip to Norcal next week to look at property...12 hour drive with the 14 year old in the car. I try not to smoke in the car with her (though sometimes take a one hitter off the ceramic cig and follow it with the windows down) and maybe this will cut down on my urge to smoke!
tahoe58
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wow ... that's excellent. I glad that has worked well for you. My interest is in a non-alcoholic based preparation. For no other reason that my alcohol consumption is, well let's just say a managed one ....and i manage to stay away from it, and my life is better for that. I can handle liquor, I just have gotten to the point I really really dislike how it makes me feel (after ....). Anyhow that was some of the major drive to re-familiarize myself with weed. And the thought was to make a tincture. I am probably going to go with the vegetable glycerin .... I know some people have not had success .... but I am going to give it a try (when I have oodles of buddage littered everywhere).
Thanks again for sharing your recipe. I look forward more to doing this every time I read about someone else's way .... Cheers!
Thanks again for sharing your recipe. I look forward more to doing this every time I read about someone else's way .... Cheers!
Bublonichronic
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very bad ass....i might just try that one day, thanks for the in depth how2 brotha.
theloadeddragon
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there is always butane and ethanol......
tahoe58
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that's making oil right? yea that too for sure (unless I'm wrong). I like the idea of being able to travel with some thing as inconspicuous as a eyedropper and bottle. But with today's security not sure anyhow ....
theloadeddragon
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You can do a pure water extraction to make a cannabis tea. Or you can use sugar instead of alcohol to make the tincture but it takes a butload longer.......that's making oil right? yea that too for sure (unless I'm wrong). I like the idea of being able to travel with some thing as inconspicuous as a eyedropper and bottle. But with today's security not sure anyhow ....
tahoe58
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and I be thinking that's the aahhhh ... uuhhhmmm ..... big buttload ... and not the microsized buttload? just makin' shur we on the same page! hahahahahha ..... yea I keeping thiking that too ...wait, less wait, wait, less wait .... be decisive, dammit! hahahaha! Walking On!!~~~~
theloadeddragon
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yeah huge butt load.... like a year...... for the sugar that is.....
Hayduke
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The sugar TLD is talking about, I believe is the sugar alcohol, Glycerin, that Tahoe is talking about.
Well update:
I doubled the does this morning on an empty stomach and waited 1.5hrs.
As far as putting up with the alcohol burn to absorb through tongue is not worth the pain. It does not come on fast enough to bother, I think putting it in a shot of oj would be better if if is going through the GI tract anyhow.
At 1.5 hrs I really wanted to smoke (mainly cuz I was thinking about it for that long!) It comes on slowly enough that it is a little difficult to tell you are really high...I have been able to smoke morning noon and night for the last 3 months and my tolerance is up there...So I smoked a little, and probably smoked less for the next 8 hrs (only a couple of tokes)
So it is not the panacea I had hoped for to avoid smoking, but could possibly reduce the amount smoked. The additional benefit of cannabis in the GI tract is a plus.
I understand the alcohol avoidance issue. As it is I am consuming less than 5ml(1 tsp) and feel no alcohol effects besides the taste of ass.
Also If anyone does this, I recommend shaking the bottle before dosing, as when I look at the bottle with strong sunlight, I can see some precipitation.
I question whether all the trichromes went into solution or are left in my scuff.
Whether a full conversion took place as bud was still fairly green
I have used a coffee filter to strain trichromes out of ice water...how much did the filter trap?
Using 151 grain alcohol may be less foul? (distilled grain vs. rotted sugar cane)
Luckily I have plenty of bud so this was no real loss, and I will probably find a way to enjoy it. (maybe try a ridiculously high dose!?!)...try baking with it...BHO the scuff?
hmm.
theloadeddragon
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I would say you would have had better results if you kept your oven at a lower temperature.......
tahoe58
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yes, there is a lot of evidence that suggests the "heat activation' of some process can be beneficial ..... I have a place above my A/V gear thats pretty warm and dar k .... might work just fine?
theloadeddragon
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if you were to go the sugar* method yes...... (that magic number yah know 178 degrees )
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Hayduke
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You think it went to far?
Trying to convert THCA to THC.
If it activates at a lower temp, the boil of butter or the alcohol would be enough. But I think this is one reason why edibles just don't cut it for serious smokers.
I think it might need more time...and maybe at 275.
I also think that the solution is close to saturated.
The glycerin if done right is supposed to hold a higher % of THC.
Also could the longer boil have degraded the THC?...maybe it is a fine line between activation and degradation...damn I wish I had access to a mass spectrometer!
Maybe it needs to be consumed in quantities that reminds you of dragons...
tahoe58
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this was the recipe I was going to be following - as part ...105F for 5 days .... and other steps .... but I still have to grow some moe buddage first before I alloccate to making this .... walk on!!~~~
http://www.nativeamericantrade.com/page6.htm
http://www.nativeamericantrade.com/page6.htm
Hayduke
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Are you saying the temp for activation of THC or optimal temp for an infusion?if you were to go the sugar* method yes...... (that magic number yah know 178 degrees
theloadeddragon
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optimal for infusion.
Hayduke
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Interesting...back in culinary school we did a test for the best temperature to reach extraction when making stock...my findings were...about 178 degrees! visible by a bubble every 5-10 seconds.
Thanks dude.
theloadeddragon
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its tried and true, trust me