Hayduke's Seldom Seen Garden

This is my 5.2 sq.ft. garden. 6 OG Kush clones in 3" rockwool cubes were planted in 1 gallon containers with Fox farm ocean forest organic potting soil. I watered them in very lightly with RO water without checking the pH (mistake). Also put them directly under 6-42 watt cfl's. After the initial shock they are flowering nicely! Oh yeah, they went straight under 12/12 light 2-2 liters of yeast/sugar to make a little extra CO2, and the closet is kept cool with a window air conditioner. Temp. 77-82 humidity ~50-60%.

Box was originally built as a temperature controlled fermentation room for brewing, but was never used after getting a free chest freezer. So the room is well insulated and while not air tight, it is a closed system. Even though the cfl's do not produce much heat, this is the best I can do on the temp during the summer. Because it is a closed system, even at week 2, smells wonderful in the morning!

Plants were put in garden on 8/11/08
8/18/08 all plants given full watering with 1/8 strength Fox farm Big Bloom (2Tbl per gallon of pH adjusted water) pH 6.4
3 have roots to bottom of container and are really starting to grow (flower)
Stems were purple, and starting to turn green.

I think the next watering will also be a light feeding, maybe the recommended 4T/gal followed by a heavier feeding 3-4 days later (still 1/2 recommended @ 1/2 cup per gal)

any suggestions or comments welcomed!

These are pics of the set up and first week

I should also mention that I am a valid 215 card holder in Cali and I am planning a perpetual sea of green type grow in order to harvest every 2-4 weeks and keep myself in as much medicine as I want. This is a totally legal grow.

Pics are after 1st week (clones 2-3" put straight into 12/12) also CO2 bottle

Best clone is now 6" with 16 nodes! next best is actually the shortest at
3 1/4" but has 10 nodes these were taken this morning after last nights 1st feeding.

After reading Garden Knowm's thread on placement of cfl's I have added 3 more 42 watt cfl's for a total of 9. I will add 3 more as needed. now 378 watts of cfl which is ~1350 watts of light.

The Seldom Seen Garden has been converted to a portable 2' deep x 3' wide x 4' high grow box. I changed the plans of a common grow box plan found on other grow boards to suit my needs. the plans were originally for a 4x4x4 box. Thanks to the dude who put up those plans.

The original garden room was a linen closet that was originally converted to control fermentation temp of homebrew. It has a window ac mounted in the upper cabinet face down (not really good, but works though loud). This works for fermentation because the heat produced is not more than about 8 degrees for a very active ferment. The closet was very well insulated, and had a 2 outlet receptacle inside for some reason. Anyway I now use a free chest freezer for the fermentation and the closet seemed perfect, complete with ac!

The ac was really loud. Bad location, right by door. Ac would freeze up if turned down to keep 77-78 so had to settle for 78-82 not bad but expensive, ran 30-45 min per hour. Had to baby the ac by draining cooling fin area with a towel and contain the drips from hitting lights. if left alone, the air space around cooling fins fills with water, freezes up, the ac runs continuous, and room gets warmer.

So I figured the location sucked, I decided to build the cabinet.
I put it on wheels, painted the inside with flat white paint (not mylar because of heat and cheaper), installed a cheap 50 cfm bath exhaust in top and wheeled it into my master bathroom which has more room than needed to shit shower and not shave

The box is 24 cubic feet. air intake at this point is passive, with 12 3/4 pvc elbows, 6 on each end with the exhaust fan in middle of top. best case scenario the fan should vent the box entirely twice per minute, which should be way overkill. Well I forgot to mention I now have 10-42 watt cfl's, 420 watts just seems right

420 watts of cfl's while I am sure not as much as HID, produce some serious heat. With the door open which I can now do because of the new location, I can get the temp to 82 degrees, but with the door on more like 88-90. With ice bottles infront of fan, 87 degrees, and added bonus of removing humidity from collected condensate. But melts quick. I will vent the exhaust either to the existing 70 cfm bathroom exhaust a few feet away or through the ceiling (remove light fixture which is not used) and into attic. I probably need a bigger exhaust and maybe an intake fan. If anyone actually reads any of this shit, and has suggestion, please add comments!

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So 5 days ago I found 3 clones of "Headband" from a guy on craigslist!
Now I was not really ready for 3 more girls for the perpetual garden, but i am currently smoking the headband and I really like it. I would highly recommend it even though it is pricey. I like indicas, but some only body and I feel cheated. Like the shitty sativa I used to have to get (before my med card) from a dealer, no body. Headband is nice daytime Sativa, with enough Indica to make the high feel round. Sold as Sativa, but but genetics are supposedly: OG Kush X Master Kush X Sour Diesel. No wonder I like it!

Well the clones were in 1" cubes this time, and by the time I made it back from meeting the dude in San Diego (30 min), the clones were half dead. root tips browning and cube dry (will bring plastic of some sort to keep moist next time, maybe squirt bottle too) I put the 3 clones in very weak big bloom pH 6.3ish in a dish while I went and got #1 nursery pots (not clear gotta fix that) $0.79 at home depot. Then to the local garden center for perlite. Mixed 1/3 perlite with 2/3 fox farm ocean forest The clones looked much better after soaking their bare roots in some weak nutes and were planted in the soil mix. 5 days later they look pretty shitty, but I am sure at least 2 of the 3 will be nice and the 3rd will just be small.

Here are the headband clones. day 1 and day 5 What's with the growth on the stem? is that from rooting hormone?

End of week 2 for the OG Kush, and the girls are looking nice. Only one of the 6 is still recovering from shock. Have given 4 waterings after initial light watering in as mentioned before. 1st was pH 6.3 water, next with 2 Tbl big bloom per gallon, next 4 Tbl/gal, then plain water. I think they will get the 6 Tbl/gallon in the morning (recommended 4Tbl/gal every watering, 1/2 cup/gal heavy feeding weekly) The girls went to bed thirsty and will enjoy a big breakfast!

All 6 were showing sex when I got them. Looked like SeeMoreBuds Day 31 (from seed, 16 days veg, 14 days to show sex).
Today is day 15 and the girls look like SMB's day 39. Does this mean I may only have 5 or so weeks left? Garden Knowm? I know the buds will tell me when they are done I am just wanting to be ready to flush. Do I need to flush with organics?

Pics are of the six OG girls. tops and full plant. in order: shorty, crocked, near death, worst, best, back. side branching of best, closeups crocked, and grow box shot. Best is 9" today. stretching a little cuz of heat maybe, still like 1/2" between nodes. Trichromes already!

Thanks GrowTech. Just checked out your journal, looks nice also. Thanks for the welcome!

bought a 256cfm blower from local hydro shop, I have installed the exhaust vent pipe through an unused light fixture (looks clean) venting into small attic space. I will fit blower to box tonight or tomorrow and include pics. Hopefully changing the air 10 times a minute will keep it cool. The 50cfm bath exhaust will be used on the future mother/clone box which will have much less light and heat. I hope.

So I installed the 265cfm blower as the exhaust, vented through existing light fixture hole into attic. Still 15 degrees hotter inside with the door closed.

Maybe I need more passive intake. Suggestions would be great!

Pics are of: original 50cfm bath fan exhausting through the existing 70cfm fan, new blower with ceiling hook-up, cool new square pots only $1.25ea (will use in future, #1 and #2 nursery pots shown for size), 3 of the OGK ladies after loosing some leaves to 3oz/gal big bloom, some meds just for fun (the Seldom Seen Garden currently growing OG Kush and Headband) 6th pic of blower intake in box.

I mentioned before that the older girls got a big meal a couple of days ago. Fox Farm Big Bloom recommends 4 T (1/4 cup)/gal every watering and 4oz once a week. I had slowly come up to 4T./gal with just water in between. So the big feeding was 3 oz/gal. The lower oldest leaves started to get brown spots and die. The first one actually got wet and burned by the next morning along with a couple others. they were all low so I hoped they were all wet ones. well over the last 2 days more leaves have been doing the same (see pics above) I mixed up a bunch of pH'd de-chlorinated tap water, then I talked to the dude at the local hydro shop and he suggested since they would be ready for the next watering in another day or so, I should wait and flush with DI/RO water maybe twice vol of pot. I will check the pH of the run off to see if I can gleen anything from it. I don't think I killed them, but definately don't follow the directions on fertilizers! I think I will for the next week or two only give the girls Tap (for minerals/no Cl) water with 1 T. molasses until they complain a little. I really probably should not even have been fertilizing them since they are in such good new organic soil, but I was stupid trying to give them a boost.

Any thoughts?

Great thread

good luck with ur grow

rep+4u

thanks camaro dude, it was getting lonely in the garden! Thanks for the rep too. Although I often feel like a stranger, I am no longer one here!

i know, i feel 4 u man
u have spent a lot of time on this as i can c and i really cant belive someone hasnt said anything about it
well, im here 2 say keep up the great work,&i will b watching

good luck man

i also rep4u please rep me aswell thanks ,i be stopping by again soon ,later

hell ya growtec is a good dude i didnt even see that he posted. u also should check out his grow
he has a live feed that crazy ass sob but i lov it

GrowTech said:

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Thanks again camaro dude! I added some rep for you and grow tech, it won't let me add more right now, but now I know. The girls look good after the flush, starting to really drink up the water, the largest are almost dry already. they have spent the last 5 hours in the box with it closed, house ac on at 73, the bathroom gets cold. I think the box temps have stayed about 84, not too bad I guess, lots of fans on the girls so they are probably ok. The box will work really good once winter comes, or really fall since we don't really have seasons here, but when the house is 65-70 I ought to be good. Time to go see the girls, I could spend hours just hangin with them!

isnt that crazy how fast they drink the water after a flush ,the first time i flushed was a 3weeks ago and i did notice change 4 the good
iv been growing 4 years whis i knew about flushing b4
good luck bro

Hayduke said:

Thanks again camaro dude! I added some rep for you and grow tech, it won't let me add more right now, but now I know. The girls look good after the flush, starting to really drink up the water, the largest are almost dry already. they have spent the last 5 hours in the box with it closed, house ac on at 73, the bathroom gets cold. I think the box temps have stayed about 84, not too bad I guess, lots of fans on the girls so they are probably ok. The box will work really good once winter comes, or really fall since we don't really have seasons here, but when the house is 65-70 I ought to be good. Time to go see the girls, I could spend hours just hangin with them!

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Was there a particular reason you decided to flower them so soon? Also, should have really been no nutes until the plants were asking for them (usually the leaves will start to become a lighter green as an indicator)- let alone a 3oz. dose to a gallon. You will for sure get some repercussions from the OD. I've never used anything but Foxfarm nutes and I've never given anything over the recommended directions (3-4 t)- usually always less than the directions. Marijuana usually for the most part is not a heavy feeding plant, some indicas can take some heavy feedings though..

A flush can cause more problems than it would fix- though I think you might make a right choice here, def. nute and salt build up in the soil with the plants so young.. eck. but the flush will take everything good out of the soil. How many times have you nuted the plants thus far total? What color/ how murky is the water coming out the bottom when you water?

Btw, I've seen more people hurt plants with fertilizer then help plants- easy does it...

Thought I stop in I'm pritty sure you won't be waiting with a shotgun behind the door
Growing pains, huh! I feel you mate. Can't help you, I'm in hydro, and even then I'm lucky to keep mine alive,lol.
I think you are in good hands with Hotnsexymilf.
I'm 215 as well, were you in SD?

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