DIY-HP-LED
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Some biased Ukrainian perspective, but they do know Russia well.
Hamas offensive against Israel
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CANON_Grow
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Why not start by enforcing International humanitarian law (Laws of War)? Seems like a logical first step to me, even if it doesn't solve every issue right now. Far less people will die by enforcing that compared to the current situation, agreed?
printer
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Who will enforce it? The conflict is a no win situation and no country will want their soldiers get in between the two.
BudmanTX
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First off do u really think hamas believes in the rules of war? And humanitarian law?....hamas don't give 2 shits about the people, and they even said it themselves....js
CANON_Grow
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Doesn't require soldiers from any other nation. Would Israel continue the blockade of water, food, and medicine once it was made clear that the ICC was going to investigate and punish all people in charge and directing war crimes?
If Palestinian civilians believed that the blockades they have faced were going to be over, how long would Hamas last in Gaza?
CANON_Grow
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I don't believe that Hamas believes in the laws of war, they are a terrorist organization with no regard for civilian casualties. If the government of Israel doesn't believe in the laws of war then how are they any better than a terrorist organization? ****That would apply to any government that does not follow the law of war, not specific to Israel. So yes, Putin is no different than a terrorist.
If no one believes in the rules of war, why bother having them? If any country can label an opponent a terrorist to accomplish whatever military goal they desire, well might as well toss the Geneva conventions.
printer
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They dribbled in a little aid, I think it might be so its population gets used to the idea of aid getting through. The blockade is to stop Hamas from infiltrating Israel, doubt Hamas would sit on the sideline while the citizens of Gaza go shopping in Israel. Also Hamas controls the government structure in Gaza. I doubt they will give up the reigns (yoke) on Gaza's back.
printer
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You mean like little green men doing whatever they please?
Fogdog
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Who would force Hamas out of Gaza?
Who would enforce ICC rulings in Israel if the people charged by judges in the Hague are the ones running Israel? I posted an article citing Israel's Minister of defense saying he would deport anybody who even said words of support for Hamas. He's not going to cooperate with the Hague to arrest himself, much less Netanyahu.
We are talking about radicals, not rational people. Zionist Jews and Hamas militants have shown no respect for international law.
DIY-HP-LED
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We can bring more heat on Israel to uphold the rule of law, Jews are big on the law. If both sides are acting like savages, how are we to tell the difference between them. The magats broke the law, but they will be judged by the law and not hunted down because there is a picture of them wearing a maga hat. In Ukraine the Russians break the law of war all the time, but it does not give Ukraine license to break it themselves. The Ukrainians don't want fingers pointed back at them in the Hague. Israel's plans for Hamas does not include a court though, it is their plans for the Palestinian civilians that concerns me and a lot of others.
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CANON_Grow
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So I am to believe it was weak border checkpoints that allowed Hamas to commit that heinous attack? I have trouble believing that when looking at everything overall.
I don't believe the majority in Gaza have the same beliefs as what the hardcore terrorists believe. If there was a real chance to improve the lives of their children and themselves, the majority will take control. If they don't believe there is a chance to get out from under occupation, I agree, the risk would not be worth it for them.
The civilians need something to fight for. It is not reasonable to think someone will risk everything by challenging those in charge just to face the dire conditions they deal with now.
CANON_Grow
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What gives the ICC power and legitimacy? It is not one person, or even a small group of people, not even a small group of nations. Has Hamas always had a stranglehold on Gaza?
I don't believe the ultra nationalists would be okay knowing they could never leave Israel again because of the ICC, or even the chance of what happens when a different group of people control the government. That is what I believe anyway, and hope.
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Fogdog
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Did you hear the anger in the voice of the Likud minister when he dog cussed Russia for providing aid to Hamas? I don't know if the ICC has much hold on a person like that. We'll see. I'd prefer if things work out like you say. It would be a step in the right direction if the world court could prevent human rights violations like Israel's blockade of Gaza.
Hamas took power after the people of Gaza voted them in and kicked Fatah out. It was not a peaceful transition of power. I don't know how an unarmed population could overthrow the heavily armed Hamas.
DIY-HP-LED
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They might want to consider "Israel might be out of control" and they had better prepare themselves for retribution. Worse yet, they may be in control and thinking while very pissed off.
Fogdog
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translation:
religious radicals warn other religious radicals to act less radical or they will get more radical.
CANON_Grow
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I am not suggesting that civilians in Gaza will be able to overthrow Hamas alone. I am not even suggesting that Israel should stop the war against Hamas. What I am suggesting is that by referencing the laws of war and making it clear that they must be followed, water, food, and medicine will be able to reach civilians.
It doesn't have to prevent illegal commands being made by those in power to reduce the amount of death, the laws apply to everyone, and non-radical combatants are less likely to blindly follow illegal orders if it is made clear they will be held accountable. I would also suggest that when the IDF does send soldiers into Gaza, they will face far more resistance from civilians that don't have access to water, food, and medicine.
Less dead civilians, less dead Israeli soldiers. What happens to leadership can be figured out in time.
Fogdog
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However it is accomplished, no question that the flow of aid must be stepped up to prevent a humanitarian disaster. Since when is food and water considered humanitarian aid? But that's how it's being treated by Israel. OTOH, Hamas made it seem as if "aid" is tied to the release of hostages.
This is so fucked up.
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UN aid official says 17 more trucks entered Sunday, proposed 40 coming Monday
Cindy McCain, director of the United Nation’s (U.N.) World Food Programme, said Sunday that 17 more humanitarian aid trucks have entered Gaza and 40 more are expected to arrive on Monday. McCain, who is the widow of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), confirmed the update during an appearance on ABC’s “This Week,” telling co-anchor Jonathan Karl that 20 trucks were able to cross the Gaza-Egypt border the day prior.
“We simply have to have this because — because, as I said, people are starving, but also this is a national security issue for everyone in this region,” McCain told Karl. “Starvation and the lack of food is a security issue. And so we just want to make sure that people can feed themselves and that, you know, we have the opportunity and the ability to give them a sustainable life as best we can.”
“But remember, this is a war zone and things are very fluid. And so that’s why these trucks have got to be able to get – we have to be able to get these trucks in safely and sustainably.”
When asked about the concern of the vital aid getting into the hands of militant group Hamas, McCain replied that there is an already a World Food Programme (WFP) team on site to help with the matter.
“Well, we have a WFP team that’s already on the ground. They’ve been there for a long time. And so we have the implements in place. We are able to track and trace our bags,” McCain added.
“We’re able to make sure from – from an electronic standpoint that our folks who are supposed to get the aid are actually the people that are getting the aid. So, we do the very best we can to make sure that it does go to the right people.”
McCain’s remarks come as Hamas, which the U.S. recognizes as a terrorist organization, launched an attack on Israel two weeks ago, which left 1,400 people dead.
In response, Israel launched attacks on Gaza, an area controlled by Hamas, which have killed at least 4,385 people and wounded 13,561 others, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
President Biden announced last week that he sent an urgent budget request to Congress for additional aid to Ukraine and Israel, which would amount to $100 billion.
thehill.com
Cindy McCain, director of the United Nation’s (U.N.) World Food Programme, said Sunday that 17 more humanitarian aid trucks have entered Gaza and 40 more are expected to arrive on Monday. McCain, who is the widow of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), confirmed the update during an appearance on ABC’s “This Week,” telling co-anchor Jonathan Karl that 20 trucks were able to cross the Gaza-Egypt border the day prior.
“We simply have to have this because — because, as I said, people are starving, but also this is a national security issue for everyone in this region,” McCain told Karl. “Starvation and the lack of food is a security issue. And so we just want to make sure that people can feed themselves and that, you know, we have the opportunity and the ability to give them a sustainable life as best we can.”
“But remember, this is a war zone and things are very fluid. And so that’s why these trucks have got to be able to get – we have to be able to get these trucks in safely and sustainably.”
When asked about the concern of the vital aid getting into the hands of militant group Hamas, McCain replied that there is an already a World Food Programme (WFP) team on site to help with the matter.
“Well, we have a WFP team that’s already on the ground. They’ve been there for a long time. And so we have the implements in place. We are able to track and trace our bags,” McCain added.
“We’re able to make sure from – from an electronic standpoint that our folks who are supposed to get the aid are actually the people that are getting the aid. So, we do the very best we can to make sure that it does go to the right people.”
McCain’s remarks come as Hamas, which the U.S. recognizes as a terrorist organization, launched an attack on Israel two weeks ago, which left 1,400 people dead.
In response, Israel launched attacks on Gaza, an area controlled by Hamas, which have killed at least 4,385 people and wounded 13,561 others, according to the Gaza Health Ministry.
President Biden announced last week that he sent an urgent budget request to Congress for additional aid to Ukraine and Israel, which would amount to $100 billion.
UN aid official says 17 more trucks entered Sunday, proposed 40 coming Monday
Cindy McCain, director of the United Nation’s World Food Programme (WFP), said Sunday that 17 more humanitarian aid trucks have entered Gaza and 40 more are expected to arrive on Monday. McCa…
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Sativied
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And so have the majority of Jewish voters elsewhere, including Israel, before and after:
Favorability down to 42% now:
