DIY-HP-LED
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Some biased Ukrainian perspective, but they do know Russia well.
Why not start by enforcing International humanitarian law (Laws of War)? Seems like a logical first step to me, even if it doesn't solve every issue right now. Far less people will die by enforcing that compared to the current situation, agreed?So you do not think killing 1.000 people and kidnapping 200 not enough reason to act. You know what? Whenever I look at a situation I look at it from both sides. Then I call them like I see them. I got some flack in the beginning of the thread seeming as I was too much in the Palestinian camp (although not Hamas). We could both toss the ping pong ball back and forth saying the other side has things to answer for. Heck, we could say the same thing at any point in time over the last 100 years. Unless you admit the current state of events are due to Hamas (actually many factions in Hamas, which ones were responsible, maybe with your cosy relationship with them you can say which one) I have nothing left to say. Yes Israel is running an apartheid state and Hamas says it will not stop until Israel is destroyed. Want to say something of note? Explain how the both sides get out of the mess without bloodshed.
Who will enforce it? The conflict is a no win situation and no country will want their soldiers get in between the two.Why not start by enforcing International humanitarian law (Laws of War)? Seems like a logical first step to me, even if it doesn't solve every issue right now. Far less people will die by enforcing that compared to the current situation, agreed?
First off do u really think hamas believes in the rules of war? And humanitarian law?....hamas don't give 2 shits about the people, and they even said it themselves....jsWhy not start by enforcing International humanitarian law (Laws of War)? Seems like a logical first step to me, even if it doesn't solve every issue right now. Far less people will die by enforcing that compared to the current situation, agreed?
Doesn't require soldiers from any other nation. Would Israel continue the blockade of water, food, and medicine once it was made clear that the ICC was going to investigate and punish all people in charge and directing war crimes?Who will enforce it? The conflict is a no win situation and no country will want their soldiers get in between the two.
I don't believe that Hamas believes in the laws of war, they are a terrorist organization with no regard for civilian casualties. If the government of Israel doesn't believe in the laws of war then how are they any better than a terrorist organization? ****That would apply to any government that does not follow the law of war, not specific to Israel. So yes, Putin is no different than a terrorist.First off do u really think hamas believes in the rules of war? And humanitarian law?....hamas don't give 2 shits about the people, and they even said it themselves....js
They dribbled in a little aid, I think it might be so its population gets used to the idea of aid getting through. The blockade is to stop Hamas from infiltrating Israel, doubt Hamas would sit on the sideline while the citizens of Gaza go shopping in Israel. Also Hamas controls the government structure in Gaza. I doubt they will give up the reigns (yoke) on Gaza's back.Doesn't require soldiers from any other nation. Would Israel continue the blockade of water, food, and medicine once it was made clear that the ICC was going to investigate and punish all people in charge and directing war crimes?
If Palestinian civilians believed that the blockades they have faced were going to be over, how long would Hamas last in Gaza?
You mean like little green men doing whatever they please?I don't believe that Hamas believes in the laws of war, they are a terrorist organization with no regard for civilian casualties. If the government of Israel doesn't believe in the laws of war then how are they any better than a terrorist organization? ****That would apply to any government that does not follow the law of war, not specific to Israel. So yes, Putin is no different than a terrorist.
If no one believes in the rules of war, why bother having them? If any country can label an opponent a terrorist to accomplish whatever military goal they desire, well might as well toss the Geneva conventions.
Who would force Hamas out of Gaza?Doesn't require soldiers from any other nation. Would Israel continue the blockade of water, food, and medicine once it was made clear that the ICC was going to investigate and punish all people in charge and directing war crimes?
If Palestinian civilians believed that the blockades they have faced were going to be over, how long would Hamas last in Gaza?
We can bring more heat on Israel to uphold the rule of law, Jews are big on the law. If both sides are acting like savages, how are we to tell the difference between them. The magats broke the law, but they will be judged by the law and not hunted down because there is a picture of them wearing a maga hat. In Ukraine the Russians break the law of war all the time, but it does not give Ukraine license to break it themselves. The Ukrainians don't want fingers pointed back at them in the Hague. Israel's plans for Hamas does not include a court though, it is their plans for the Palestinian civilians that concerns me and a lot of others.Who would force Hamas out of Gaza?
Who would enforce ICC rulings in Israel if the people charged by judges in the Hague are the ones running Israel? I posted an article citing Israel's Minister of defense saying he would deport anybody who even said words of support for Hamas. He's not going to cooperate with the Hague to arrest himself, much less Netanyahu.
We are talking about radicals, not rational people. Zionist Jews and Hamas militants have shown no respect for international law.
So I am to believe it was weak border checkpoints that allowed Hamas to commit that heinous attack? I have trouble believing that when looking at everything overall.They dribbled in a little aid, I think it might be so its population gets used to the idea of aid getting through. The blockade is to stop Hamas from infiltrating Israel, doubt Hamas would sit on the sideline while the citizens of Gaza go shopping in Israel. Also Hamas controls the government structure in Gaza. I doubt they will give up the reigns (yoke) on Gaza's back.
What gives the ICC power and legitimacy? It is not one person, or even a small group of people, not even a small group of nations. Has Hamas always had a stranglehold on Gaza?Who would force Hamas out of Gaza?
Who would enforce ICC rulings in Israel if the people charged by judges in the Hague are the ones running Israel? I posted an article citing Israel's Minister of defense saying he would deport anybody who even said words of support for Hamas. He's not going to cooperate with the Hague to arrest himself, much less Netanyahu.
We are talking about radicals, not rational people. Zionist Jews and Hamas militants have shown no respect for international law.
Did you hear the anger in the voice of the Likud minister when he dog cussed Russia for providing aid to Hamas? I don't know if the ICC has much hold on a person like that. We'll see. I'd prefer if things work out like you say. It would be a step in the right direction if the world court could prevent human rights violations like Israel's blockade of Gaza.What gives the ICC power and legitimacy? It is not one person, or even a small group of people, not even a small group of nations. Has Hamas always had a stranglehold on Gaza?
I don't believe the ultra nationalists would be okay knowing they could never leave Israel again because of the ICC, or even the chance of what happens when a different group of people control the government. That is what I believe anyway, and hope.
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I am not suggesting that civilians in Gaza will be able to overthrow Hamas alone. I am not even suggesting that Israel should stop the war against Hamas. What I am suggesting is that by referencing the laws of war and making it clear that they must be followed, water, food, and medicine will be able to reach civilians.Did you hear the anger in the voice of the Likud minister when he dog cussed Russia for providing aid to Hamas? I don't know if the ICC has much hold on a person like that. We'll see. I'd prefer if things work out like you say. It would be a step in the right direction if the world court could prevent human rights violations like Israel's blockade of Gaza.
Hamas took power after the people of Gaza voted them in and kicked Fatah out. It was not a peaceful transition of power. I don't know how an unarmed population could overthrow the heavily armed Hamas.
However it is accomplished, no question that the flow of aid must be stepped up to prevent a humanitarian disaster. Since when is food and water considered humanitarian aid? But that's how it's being treated by Israel. OTOH, Hamas made it seem as if "aid" is tied to the release of hostages.I am not suggesting that civilians in Gaza will be able to overthrow Hamas alone. I am not even suggesting that Israel should stop the war against Hamas. What I am suggesting is that by referencing the laws of war and making it clear that they must be followed, water, food, and medicine will be able to reach civilians.
It doesn't have to prevent illegal commands being made by those in power to reduce the amount of death, the laws apply to everyone, and non-radical combatants are less likely to blindly follow illegal orders if it is made clear they will be held accountable. I would also suggest that when the IDF does send soldiers into Gaza, they will face far more resistance from civilians that don't have access to water, food, and medicine.
Less dead civilians, less dead Israeli soldiers. What happens to leadership can be figured out in time.