H.A.F. growing stink-flowers in dirt with QB's

Day 17 12/12
The clones are flowering very quickly

And still stretching. If you follow the ruler you can see how I have the shoots pruned. Those lowest 2 nugs are the ones that didn't have enough stem to snip when the pistils popped - so they got a stay of execution and will grow up to be plump little nuggies.

This is the before pic, and after studying it and the one from yesterday I figured I'd do something to generate a little more top growth.
I pruned all the seed-leaves and shoots, then the shoot (but not the leaf) on the node above that.

The next set of shoots are the ones I usually keep for the manifold, And they are starting to stretch on these first two. Only time I skip them and keep the set above them is if one shoot is seriously lagging behind the other.

And the tall one is popping it's 6th node - when I start considering topping - but the shoots aren't long enough to do anything with yet. I may start pruning shoots above those two as they get big enough so there are only 2 shoots all the leaves are feeding.

@J.James I am getting another light, so they should start jumping a little in a few days, but they don't get their big-girl light until the Hulk harvests.

Here's a handy little conversion chart I came up with. The top rows are just the basic conversions. The left side shows what 100% nutes (in ml) would be in 1 gallon, 1/2 gallon etc. This can also be used for reducing it since the water amounts are 50%, 25% etc.
- Mix nutes for 1/2 gallon into 1 gallon of water - 50%.

The right side is for using water amounts instead of nute amounts. So if you wanted a 75% feed you would mix 100% nutes for 1 gallon of water into a gallon and a half. I did this one because the pot sizes generally require the same amount of water to soak them.

It's helpful when feeding seedlings and not mixing up a lot of water.

And here's the chart I came up with from the FFHF feeding schedule. Unless I see issues, this is structured enough for me, the system makes sense, mostly organic so less chance of nute burn, it's relatively inexpensive - and locally available.

I added other stuff I use like the Silica Blast from Botanicare and the cal-mag I use just because I have RO water.

An this is the original. On this one I had to cut-n-paste the milliliter measurements from their Spanish one onto the English one with the dry-feed in Tsp. I use big syringes for measuring the liquids instead of spoons.

Anyone wondering why I randomly posted this, the seed leaves were dying off when I snipped them, so the Royal Mystery will be getting a light top-feed with RO next time, then the liquid feed after that. So I was looking at them to see how I wanted to approach it.

My new light shows up tomorrow, (another HLG65) and they will probably need a drink at the same time.

Another think I need to get used to is maintaining a good environment for the microbes and stuff in this mostly organic environment. Anyone with tips or tricks chime in please.

I have a habit of waiting until the pots are light to the point of being dry before watering. When learning how to grow, overwatering was an easy stumble to miss, but I think I tend to wait too long. I know the fabric pots will let the roots get all the oxygen they need. So I am attacking the new feeding schedule with this new mentality. I just think the microbes need moisture to thrive, and the QB's really make them drink the water in flower.

I am looking to further simplify that feeding schedule from "week whatever" to plant stages. Why do they add certain things at certain times, and what is the purpose of it?

Also which things are just associated with flushes, like replenishing something after a flush, but not needed otherwise.

The stages I am looking at are:

• Seedling
• Veg
• Pre-flip
• Post-flip to pistils
• Pistils to brown pistils
• Secondary growth (foxtails etc.) - if any
• Pre-harvest.

Any input is appreciated.

And I'll let you in on a little secret - I am weaning myself from RUI. I am thinking that the harvest shots of the Hulk will be my grand finale.

It has been great, but I found another forum, and I don't like keeping track of a lot of computer junk.

I really think that this feeding system will prove to be very user friendly, and easy for beginners to rock some tasty flowers. I have a BS in Elementary Ed. and I think I just really have a knack for reducing things to the least common denominator and simplifying them. The monster-crop tutorial was one example, and this will be like a parting gift for anyone that gives a shit.

If I can come up with an easy to use schedule that is based on the plants and not a calendar, no matter what someone's first grow is they should get the bug to keep growing and not leave dissatisfied and calling up the guy that does grow his own

where you going HAF?

diggs99 said:

where you going HAF?

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One of the guys in the competition I was in (@Big Perm ) started a site.

I'm all about supporting small business, and when he gets rich and stupid off his new endeavor, I'll find some new start-up LOL

@diggs99 I think that as I'm learning, I need different 'input'.

Having near-death issues with several grows, it's good to have a plethora of input. I think now that I have my system pretty much established, I would rather move on. I still want a community that I can ask emergency questions of or brag to, but I want to watch a few experienced growers do their thing and see what I can learn.

No one pissed me off or anything if that is what you were wondering LOL
His link is available on here, go check it out.

no i was just wondering where you were going.

never assumed anything, just curious lol

diggs99 said:

no i was just wondering where you were going.

never assumed anything, just curious lol

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Just look for "bigpermgrows"

Starting to look more opaque and the calyxes are swelling a little on the new growth.

But lots of new frost to mess the math up LOL
But looking at some of the under-buds with less foxtail, it's easier to see I'm getting close.

Just gave her a gallon of water. I will look closer at the lower tops that don't have much secondary growth. They might be ready, so this might be my first split harvest. There are some in the middle that still have a bit to go, and the ring on the outside as well, but the ones in between are shaded by those high tops, and are probably great smoke right now.

I may have a harvest pic in a few hours or a few days for those not circled. I didn't think about it until writing the post above.

Edited. Screw it. The SOG is curing, and the drying closet is empty. I think more light for the ones I keep will make them even better - and this will keep my idle hands busy until the rest gets done.

Coffee, fatty, and wet-weight #1 coming up later.

Round 1 - 147g wet. And here's what's left. Seems every limb I snipped was one I should have snipped when she first flowered. There was a noticeable difference in stem thickness between the ones I kept and the ones I snipped.

Decent looking nugs, and the tops look great.
So the ones I kept were either from the first or second node after the manifold, or the ends. Some of the outer flowers are actually from some of the inner limbs. They grew faster and naturally took the 'outside lane'.


Smells like candy. Like skittles or something. So I'll get about an ounce from what I should have pruned - I wonder if that ounce would have been added to the other flowers if I had pruned what I should have...

I have experimented with that, while there is some genetic predisposition involved, the weight tends to either be distributed or concentrated but consistent to the rest of your environment. What I mostly found was that you’ll get a little more overall weight if you don’t mess with it too much beyond LST but if you don’t lollipop a percentage will be larf and some cultivars will have insanely small shitty larf, thus concentrated flower development is preferred. That’s the long way of saying you could reasonably expect about that same ounce packed onto the rest of the plant provided that the pruning didn’t occur during flower. The balance tends to occur between the mass of the roots with respect to the potential of the available canopy with light, nutrients and genetics not withstanding.

*Man, gonna miss you around here bud!

colocowboy said:

That’s the long way of saying you could reasonably expect about that same ounce packed onto the rest of the plant provided that the pruning didn’t occur during flower. The balance tends to occur between the mass of the roots with respect to the potential of the available canopy with light, nutrients and genetics not withstanding.

*Man, gonna miss you around here bud!

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I am an experimenter - I get bored easily. I have tried several different things with manifolds, and they are different from a regular topping or canopy. That concentration of growth seems to be set in stone. I think the plant has "X" amount of bud growth available based on what you feed it, your lights, pot size, environment, and how long you veg. Two plants side by side treated the same will have roughly the same harvest weight - regardless of how you prune it.

For what it's worth, here's what I mean.

On a regular plant training techniques LST, HST like super-cropping, etc. can boost one plant over another grown in exactly the same environment. For whatever reason, a manifold busts that. I grew 2 manifolds side by side with the same everything except pruning. One I pruned every shoot on the on each stem until I flipped, one I left 4 shoots in the middle, 4 further out, then the tops - with the shoots in between pruned away. At harvest on the same day, they were within a quarter ounce of each other wet weight. One had 4 ginormous tops, one had a bunch of medium tops and more larf that came from a beautiful flat canopy. Both smoked the same, one just had fatter everything. Even the 'nugs' under the tops were bigger than golf balls at chop on the pruned one.

Im high as fuck lol right now, but I think we mean the same thing.

After they dried, I cleaned up the sugar leaves and I think I'm in for a BOUNTY when I chop the rest. They were fat with trichomes on both sides. I went through 4 sets of clean scissors trimming 12 limbs. I cheat and throw that stuff on the dehydrator with little or no heat to dry out. I'll have a small pile of hash for breakfast LOL