Gun control is coming

Fogdog

Fogdog

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Aeroknow said:
Oh man. From the mexicans at the border trying to get in to bring in all the fentanyl, January 6 was made up bullshit/antifa doing. Trump quickly turned the economy around and so much more. It was incredible the crazy shit that mother fucker said. It was actually 2 guys both around my age. The other guy was pretty chill and could calmly talk about things like i was doing, even though that guy was fucking dumb dumb too.
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The urban rural divide is clearly evident as one travels along I-5 in the Willamette Valley.

An essay written about how extremist right wingers changed the narrative in Yamhill county explains a little of what has happened to Oregon. The author describes how right wing extremist politicians have become entrenched in most rural areas of Oregon.

www.hcn.org

How a trail in rural Oregon became a target of far-right extremism - High Country News

To understand the state’s urban-rural divide, start by looking at Yamhill County’s proposed walking trail.
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Towards the end of the essay the author describes how firebrand extremists are driving out the less extreme people who had always had a place in that county before.

Sal Peralta, the McMinnville city councilor, is one of the few people of color in a leadership position in Yamhill County. He said that every time he spoke out against Timber Unity or its supporters, his personal information — and sometimes his photograph — were shared online. He thinks he’s targeted because he’s Latino.

One morning this spring, he found a toilet in his front yard. “I don’t know if that was Timber Unity,” he said. “I also have a Black Lives Matter sign in front of my house. I don’t know why it happened, but I can tell you I have been singled out clearly and deliberately so many times that it wouldn’t surprise me if it was deliberate.”

It might seem like a small deal. A joke, even. Except this man gets death threats over e-mail. He lives there and a minority contingent in his town seem to think they have the right to harass and threaten him simply because he's different from them.

We are changing from logging and mining to urban economies and there is a lot of backlash to those changes. Measure 114, the gun control measure, that measure would never have passed before. It did pass, though by less than 1% margin with a lot of support from gun owners. It's now become a focal point for right wing extremists to rally around. If you've read some of the posts on this thread from gun-rights extremists, you will see they are openly hostile to any changes and like the guy you met at Seven Feathers, they don't know shit but can cite shit they've heard from right wing and gun lobby propaganda.
 
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Sickofitall420247

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cannabineer said:
It hasn’t, really. It is synonymous with tacticool.

Furthermore, assault rifle ≠ assault weapon. Today’s infantry are issued assault rifles, which generally have a four-position mode lever.
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Who's infantry are you referring to? Because the U.S. Army generally assigns an M-4 with a 3 position selector switch those positions being safe, semi, and 3 round burst to its infantry.
 
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cannabineer

cannabineer

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Sickofitall420247 said:
Who's infantry are you referring to? Because the U.S. Army generally assigns an M-4 with a 3 position selector switch those positions being safe, semi, and 3 round burst to its infantry.
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Made me look. You’re right; the M-4 selector has 3 positions. However, burst is being phased out in favor of full. This appears to be true for weapons undergoing overhaul as well as new manufacture.
 
madvillian420

madvillian420

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Fogdog said:
Can you back your statement up with a credible source?

Because these people* say exactly the opposite of what you say. They went through all mass shootings 2009 and 2020. They report this:

Mass shootings involving assault weapons or high-capacity magazines were far deadlier.
When assault weapons and high-capacity magazines were used in mass shootings, they resulted in far more deaths and injuries. Between 2009 and 2020, the five deadliest mass shooting incidents in the US all involved the use of assault weapons and/or high-capacity magazines: Las Vegas, Orlando, Newtown, Sutherland Springs, and El Paso. 12

Assault weapons and high-capacity magazines were disproportionately used in public mass shootings. Of the shootings with known weapon type, 76 percent of those that involved an assault weapon and/or high-capacity magazine occurred in public compared to 44 percent of those that involved a handgun.13

* https://everytownresearch.org/maps/mass-shootings-in-america/#mass-shootings-involving-assault-weapons-or-high-capacity-magazines-were-far-deadlier

I'm pretty much focused on Oregon's measure 114. That measure was written with the intent of saving lives through reasonable changes to Oregon's gun laws. It has been examined and tested not only by academics but also in practice. In US districts where the measures contained in Measure 114 were implemented, those districts experienced drops in gun deaths by substantial amounts.**

And really, man, you must know this: In Oregon, it's not a matter of "if" but "when" another kid will show up at his high school or college and perform an Uvalde type mass shooting. Limiting the number of rounds in cartridges will not deprive civilians of their right to own and use a gun in self defense. Consider a limit on the number of rounds a cartridge or gun can hold to ten a down payment on scores of lives that will be taken if nothing is done.

**https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5ab5336270e802ff969f9c0f/t/635eac91f0e2db5da5ae2893/1667148945466/Measure+114+FAQ-+WEB.pdf

Methodology and definitions of terms used in every town research's report can be found here:

https://maps.everytownresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Everytown-mass-shootings-report-2009-2018_Methodology.pdf?_gl=1*168ept0*_ga*MTI4ODM2NzY0LjE2NzIzNzU0ODc.*_ga_LT0FWV3EK3*MTY3MjM3NTQ4Ny4xLjEuMTY3MjM3NTUyNS4wLjAuMA..

btw, you actually said something that was not a rhetorical fallacy. Good. I think you were talking out your ass in some of what you said. I refuted that in this post. But at least you were speaking about the subject in a way that could be reasoned with.
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again, you proved my point. Any "source" with "stats" labeling a run of the mill manufacturer standard magazine as "extended" because it holds more than 10 rounds is fucking ridiculous. More biased media talk.

BTW, The Virginia tech shooting, one of the most horrific ones in history, was committed with two pistols, most magazines on the shooter holding your government issued "safe" 10 rounds. The POS just practiced changing mags i guess.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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madvillian420 said:
again, you proved my point. Any "source" with "stats" labeling a run of the mill manufacturer standard magazine as "extended" because it holds more than 10 rounds is fucking ridiculous. More biased media talk.

BTW, The Virginia tech shooting, one of the most horrific ones in history, was committed with two pistols, most magazines on the shooter holding your government issued "safe" 10 rounds. The POS just practiced changing mags i guess.
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But what harm does it do to limit new production to 10 rounds? That is the side of this I don’t get? Perhaps a 10 round limit would possibly save a life or two and I don’t see it as a burden for gun owners. There has to be a starting point and that’s just one IMO.
Edit: sure sometimes it doesn’t matter so do nothing?
 
madvillian420

madvillian420

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Budley Doright said:
But what harm does it do to limit new production to 10 rounds? That is the side of this I don’t get? Perhaps a 10 round limit would possibly save a life or two and I don’t see it as a burden for gun owners. There has to be a starting point and that’s just one IMO.
Edit: sure sometimes it doesn’t matter so do nothing?
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yep. ill be no less prepared because some yahoo killed people. Do you have any earthly idea how many "extended" magazines are in the United States? Its a wild number seeing as most folks have multiple per gun. So would all those people become criminals overnight?

How many lives would be lost from people who ran out of ammo in a multi invader situation because they followed the law and the criminals assaulting them had one of the many millions of normal OEM 10+ rnd mags already here?

Most pistol manufacturers are in a bit of an arms race right now to cram the most rounds in a small pistol as they can, theyve gotten pretty good, most approaching 20 rounds and make you wonder how they all fit. God forbid the need to use it, i want as much protection as i can get and i see no need or desire to neuter anything im depending on to save my life by any number of rounds.
 
CANON_Grow

CANON_Grow

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madvillian420 said:
yep. ill be no less prepared because some yahoo killed people. Do you have any earthly idea how many "extended" magazines are in the United States? Its a wild number seeing as most folks have multiple per gun. So would all those people become criminals overnight?

How many lives would be lost from people who ran out of ammo in a multi invader situation because they followed the law and the criminals assaulting them had one of the many millions of normal OEM 10+ rnd mags already here?

Most pistol manufacturers are in a bit of an arms race right now to cram the most rounds in a small pistol as they can, theyve gotten pretty good, most approaching 20 rounds and make you wonder how they all fit. God forbid the need to use it, i want as much protection as i can get and i see no need or desire to neuter anything im depending on to save my life by any number of rounds.
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I'm going to take a wild guess that it will be far less than the number of lives lost with current gun control regulations.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Budley Doright said:
But what harm does it do to limit new production to 10 rounds? That is the side of this I don’t get? Perhaps a 10 round limit would possibly save a life or two and I don’t see it as a burden for gun owners. There has to be a starting point and that’s just one IMO.
Edit: sure sometimes it doesn’t matter so do nothing?
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i can't see a real need for more than a three round clip, if one was really using a weapon for hunting. if you can't hit what you're aiming at in three rounds, go to safeway and buy some fucking hamburger.
 
PadawanWarrior

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i can't see a real need for more than a three round clip, if one was really using a weapon for hunting. if you can't hit what you're aiming at in three rounds, go to safeway and buy some fucking hamburger.
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What if that big bad dear comes charging at you though and you miss him with all 3 shots? :shock:

Sorry I had to. Happy New Years guys, :bigjoint:
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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madvillian420 said:
yep. ill be no less prepared because some yahoo killed people. Do you have any earthly idea how many "extended" magazines are in the United States? Its a wild number seeing as most folks have multiple per gun. So would all those people become criminals overnight?

How many lives would be lost from people who ran out of ammo in a multi invader situation because they followed the law and the criminals assaulting them had one of the many millions of normal OEM 10+ rnd mags already here?

Most pistol manufacturers are in a bit of an arms race right now to cram the most rounds in a small pistol as they can, theyve gotten pretty good, most approaching 20 rounds and make you wonder how they all fit. God forbid the need to use it, i want as much protection as i can get and i see no need or desire to neuter anything im depending on to save my life by any number of rounds.
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Stay safe!
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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cannabineer said:
How many “multiple armed invader” home invasions occur per annum in USA? I’m wagering the number is quite small, and the perceived threat is a fabricated NRA bogeyman designed to sell more tacticool crap.
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Multiple armed invaders?

Including storm troopers from the "war on drugs" and dog shooters etc. would make your query more palatable.

The perceived threat is omnipresent and history indicates always moves forward. Foreign and domestic much?
 
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