GOING OVERBOARD- First grow, first post- Journal 1

Looks really great, i think i would flower the taller (CG2) one personally, but that is really up to you. My reasoning is that the smaller (CG1) one has more places to clone, then flower her.

TruenoAE86coupe said:

Looks really great, i think i would flower the taller (CG2) one personally, but that is really up to you. My reasoning is that the smaller (CG1) one has more places to clone, then flower her.

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Thanks, I was thinking the same thing. The GG1 (its Grape God strain). looks like it will make a much better bush.

-JOURNAL ENTRY-

-TODAY WAS HUGE-

-I recieved 4 ROOTED clones today (2x grape god, 1x Pineapple Express, 1x OG Kush) from the same person I got my last clones from. These ones were cut on 12/14/2010
-They were rooted in root shooters and moved to party cups w/ (what looks to be) 50/50 perlite/soil.


-SOIL TO HYDRO TRANSPLANT-

-I filled a gallon bowl with luke warm water
-I removed party cup and sat clone/soil into bowl
-Using a pump I held an air hose to make bubbles under plant to gently loosen the soil around the roots.
-I was able to remove 100% of soil but the root shooter is still on there.
-I filled 1" in a net pot with hydroton
-I held the plant and filled around it w/ hydroton
-I watered the hydroton so it wasnt dry.
-I mixd up some nutes and tossed em in my veg room.

-NOW I HAVE-
-Grape god 1 (soil)
-Grape god 2 (soil)
-Grape god 3 (DWC)
-Grape god 4 (DWC)
-Pinaple Express (DWC)
-OG KUSH (DWC)

Looking very nice!

SC300drifter said:

Looking very nice!

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Thanks bro, Its nice to have u in here!

-JOURNAL ENTRY-

-I noticed this morning when I woke up the clones were all looking very perky! Transplant must have been a success!

PLEASE GUYS I AM SUCH A NOOB AND NEED SOME INPUT, I HAVE OVER 400 VIEWS AND ONLY A FEW POSTS.

Does this stuff sound correct?

THANKS

-QUESTION-

-Now that I have 2 grape gods in DWC, should I just throw both GG1 and GG2 into flower to be finished with soil? I really would rather be finished with soil (and gnats.....)




-I dont really "need" a mother, I only wanted to keep somthing around untill I have enough experience to know I will be able to successfully cut clones.

Nice journal you have here so far Dustybowlz

I love your setup; very clean, everything looks well built, and this is definitely going to last you for the years to come.

Few questions for you- why do you cut the leaves from your clones..? I believe this will just further the amount of stress being given out, decrease foliage and resulting with light over less leaves which would only slow down growth..but I guess you might have your reasoning...

Input- I am not much of a "active user" on this site but I do like to read lots and lots of information about cannabis so I believe that I have a moderate amount of knowledge under my belt; just not much experience yet, but im working on that atm! 1. Try not to get your nutrient/water solution on your leaves...this will cause your leaves to burn due to the low pH/ should b around 5.5-6, but if you have at least a nice breeze around the grow than a few drops is fine as it will dry up on it's own. 2. DWC= hydroponics=lay off the NUTES!!! Usually use only 1/2 the recommended dose from the manufacture..and b sure to maintain healthy ppm levels, healthy pH levels; as I stated b4, empty your reservoir at least every week, good temp 75F-80F, and RH doesn't make a big difference from what I have been reading; as long as it is like 20-25% your fine.


Final words: dude man..your fine, for the amount of effort you put in it's almost impossible 4 u 2 fail..as long as you don't do anything irrational to hurt your plants; your golden. peace

n if u still wana learn https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/150004-plant-moisture-stress-symptoms-solutions.html read ur plants n know what they want..not every single one is the same, some will want more n sum less..
sub'd+ good luck!

New Grower, Common0ne

Thank u very much! REP given...

Common0ne said:

Nice journal you have here so far Dustybowlz

I love your setup; very clean, everything looks well built, and this is definitely going to last you for the years to come. Thanks! It was alot of work

Few questions for you- why do you cut the leaves from your clones..? I believe this will just further the amount of stress being given out, decrease foliage and resulting with light over less leaves which would only slow down growth..but I guess you might have your reasoning... I read two books recently, The cannabis grow bible and Marijuana horticulture. When I recieved my clones the leaves were trimmed (as u see in the photos). From what ive read, you WANT leave to intake sunlight but too large of leaves REQUIRE lots of water/energy. The book states if you trim the leaves you benefit from the intake of sunlight AND you lessen the amount of water and energy the plant uses to keep them healthy. I dont have enough experence either way, but I do know the clones can yellow durring the "rooting" process and this is normal. I can only guess this "yellowing" is the plant taking away its energy from the leaves and putting them to the rooting process.... Fight or flight. Ive also read you can slow this yellowing process down if you folliar feed. But this is bad, becuase you have to think, in fight or flight mode it searches for water/food where its been trained to, its roots. If you foliar feed, you slow that process down because its already getting food and isnt in a rush to look for more resources. BUT AGAIN, I have no experience to back any of it up.

Input- I am not much of a "active user" on this site but I do like to read lots and lots of information about cannabis so I believe that I have a moderate amount of knowledge under my belt; just not much experience yet, but im working on that atm! This is me exactly, I normally dont post in web forums because I dont need to, I gather the info and do alot of research. This hobby is a little different because it isnt exactly a "dinner conversation" and since there are many ways "not to fail" I like to do it right the first time, a little anal.... People tell me I am. Thanks again for contributing!!

1. Try not to get your nutrient/water solution on your leaves...this will cause your leaves to burn due to the low pH/ should b around 5.5-6, but if you have at least a nice breeze around the grow than a few drops is fine as it will dry up on it's own.
I actually already learned this the hard way. My wife and I assumed they would be more brancy (vs bushy) and we potted them too low in the pot. It is a PITA not to get nute solution on the leaves. We learned and changed our watering techniques to fix this. But if we do, I rince it by misting the crap out of the leaves. It dries fast as I have (what I think to be) proper ventilation.

2. DWC= hydroponics=lay off the NUTES!!! Usually use only 1/2 the recommended dose from the manufacture.. I started with my DWC yesterday so I started with 1/4 strength and it brings my well water up to 300 ppm. I feel this is low but I dont have roots out of the net pot yet and I figure I will change the water as soon as roots poke out? and b sure to maintain healthy ppm levels,I think I am going to start around 400-500ppm when I change my water? Then move to half strength on start of week 2? Or? Still not sure yet, must read plant. healthy pH levels; I have read to keep my bubble buckets in the 5.8-6.3? Does this sound about right? Is it really bad if it gets up to 6.5ish range for short amount of time? as I stated b4, empty your reservoir at least every week, Each individual bucket is its own individual rex at this moment. I know 2 people (although I dont want there help) very successfully using this method and LOVE the results. I have extra buckets and just swap them out when I change nutes. When I add I just add to the bucket. Maintenance is high on this grow but will change methods on next grow with more experience. good temp 75F-80F This sounds too high for water temps so you must mean air temps. I have soo much adjustment due to my oversized cfm fans that I can adjust it from 70-95 (yes co2 and ventilation timers/seal room setup will be later down the line), and RH doesn't make a big difference from what I have been reading; as long as it is like 20-25% your fine. I always stay around 40-49% RH in the veg room but havnet played in the flower room much yet but I dont see a problem. The only worry I have is low humidity due to the cold temps we have from dec-feb. It has lowered to 35% for the past 3 days.. I do have a heater on a tstat though. It keeps my temps from dropping to low at any point durring the day (yes I modded it and removed the "power on" led's AND bought one that doesnt emit any other light.

Final words: dude man..your fine, for the amount of effort you put in it's almost impossible 4 u 2 fail..as long as you don't do anything irrational to hurt your plants; your golden. peace Im getting really confident in almost everything right now except cloning and mixing nutes/what water to use. I really want to use my well water with no issues but I need to figure out if it has too high of levels of sodium.

n if u still wana learn https://www.rollitup.org/marijuana-plant-problems/150004-plant-moisture-stress-symptoms-solutions.html read ur plants n know what they want..not every single one is the same, some will want more n sum less..
sub'd+ good luck!
Both this and reading journals were the origional things that brought me to RIU, it works great but I really like having my two books The cannabis grow bible and Marijuana Horticulture on hand to go over things. I can honestly say I learned more from reading them then hours and hours of the internet.

New Grower, Common0ne

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-JOURNAL ENTRY-

-I raised the water level to 1/2" into the net pots
-Before and after the soil to hydro transplant they never one time looked stressed or droopy. Makes me happy!
-I noticed GG#3 has roots already poking out! thats like 15 hours!
-I noticed the two clones I cut 7 days ago looking really unhappy so I looked down below. The smaller one has two roots and the bigger one has 3x white nubs. SWEET! I really didnt think after what I put them through they would do anything.
-The seedlings havent done much yet.

-JOURNAL ENTRY-

*All the clones are standing up again but arent 100%
*I did a rez change and set my ph to 6.
*I checked it in an hour and it already back to 7?
*I checked it 4 hours later and it was still at 7
*All 4 in DWC have roots sticking out of the net pots now!


-Tests I am going to try-
*I took 4 air stones and put them in a bucket of my well water.
*My well water has ph of 7
*After one hour the stones didnt raise the ph over 7
*I added quite a bit of ph down to get the ph down to 5
*After 3 hours it rose to 5.5
*I think I am going to leave them in the bowl over night and soak.
*I will install the new stones tomorrow.

I would really consider getting a RO system, i know there is a lot of debate on this, but MOST not all nutrient formulas are based on 0 ppm water. I would not run a hydro system without it personally, can find a complete set up (minus res) for $100 online. How are the seedlings doing?

-JOURNAL ENTRY-

-PH ISSUES-
*I have beren using a "dropper" style ph tester and let me say, what a mistake! They are NOT accurate.
*I went and bought a hanna ph meter.
*I thought my well water was a ph of 7.Testing it with the hanna shows it to be 8.
*Long story short my "ph" readings and adjustments have been all wrong!
*Thought I was getting weard ph rise but it was just the tester

-THE 4 IN DWC-
*These ladies are doing nice, If you look in the photos all have roots dropping. GG one seems to have a lot of them!
*I lowered the water to about 1/2"-3/4" from net pot.
*I called advanced nutrients today and he said I was under ferting them. ( I didnt want to waste too much ferts with all my ph fluctuations ). I also asked them about my well water and they require RO. They said my 200ppm is great. They also said to run a ph of 5.6 in my buckets w/ there nutes.
*I effectively lowered my ph to 5.6.
*It stayed there for 2 hours them to buckets moved up to 5.7.
*If they are stable when I the lights fire up tomorrow I am swapping the water for fresh w/ 400-500ppm of nutes. What do u think I should use? I am starting w/ a base of 200.....)
*They all look really happy and im noticing slight verticle growth on a few.

-THE SOIL LADIES-
*They really are big.
*I need to buy one bore bottle of nutes for flower.
*I wish some of each clone would show root so I can put into flower. Should I just press flower now and cut a few weeks into flower if these dont take root?
*They are under-nuted right now. I didnt have a ppm meter and didnt want to burn them. Ive only been running 400ppm on them. When I move to flower, should I take babysteps up in amount? Say somthing like start with 600<Water<800<1000<ect or?
*I have one or two gnats I notice per week. Do you guys have any cool tricks? Do these pose threats?
*Nothing more then THEY NEED TO MOVE TO FLOWER ASAP!

-THE CLONES-
*I adjusted my ph to the correct 6.3
*The two I cut a while back are finally rooting pretty well.
*The rest of them should root faster!
*I need a better way to lower the water temps???

-THE SEEDLINGS-
*Two have burns and twisting at the tip still but look great otherwize.
*One is out growing the others (male of the bunch?)
*They are rooting well in there new homes.
*They are growing again!




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Bump.

Last post has some unanswered questions.

Remember the guy at advanced nutrients is trying to sell more product, the best growers on here say less is more, that being said the exact amounts of nutes to give is one of those things i do not care to give advice on, i do not run your nutes and even if i did i do not have your plant in my room, so i can not say exactly what it needs day to day.
As far as flowering the soil plants, i do not grow in soil so this is based on my hydro experience, plan on them tripling in size, they may not but that is how much room you need to plan on having for them to stretch. Also if you have a date you want to get them out by (ie 420 or your birthday or something) you may use that as a plan of when to put into flower, but besides those factors it is entirely up to you when you flower, a lot of people grow trees at this point do to super low plant counts allowed in many states.
I do not use advanced nutrients, but i would believe they have a nutrient calculator online, use that as a basis of how much of what nutes to give and when.
I have never worried too much about a couple of gnats, smash em if i get the chance, but i would start looking for more harmful bugs or their damage. If the gnats got in, what else has?
You said you need a better way to lower your water temp, how are you doing it now? FYI i used one of those non contact laser thermometers like you have in your pic (given it was a centech from harbor freight) but it was about 5 degrees (sometimes more like 8 ) higher than the probe thermometer i got. I paid $6 for the digital probe type at harbor freight and it seems to work great, it is at least consistent.

TruenoAE86coupe said

Remember the guy at advanced nutrients is trying to sell more product, Normally this would be the case, especially with that company but I truely am under nuting them. I didnt know if my water was ok, I didnt know how much to use in water, I wasnt sure what was still in the soil as slow release. I just didnt nute them much and they just ended up getting too damn big!
the best growers on here say less is more, that being said the exact amounts of nutes to give is one of those things i do not care to give advice on, i do not run your nutes and even if i did i do not have your plant in my room, so i can not say exactly what it needs day to day.
As far as flowering the soil plants, i do not grow in soil so this is based on my hydro experience, plan on them tripling in size, they may not but that is how much room you need to plan on having for them to stretch. I have been following a few threads and they dont seem to explode in verticle size. Just the colas! Im glad for this! Expecially since I really let them mature. Also if you have a date you want to get them out by (ie 420 or your birthday or something) you may use that as a plan of when to put into flower, but besides those factors it is entirely up to you when you flower, a lot of people grow trees at this point do to super low plant counts allowed in many states. Yea my wife and I are legal in my state. Were allowed 30 but arent going to go near that number. I dont think I could do it with my space unless I did a sog or scrog. It will be nice to be allowed a few extra for when clones root, when I plant seeds or keeping mother ect. I dont like to rush things, they finish when they finish.
I do not use advanced nutrients, but i would believe they have a nutrient calculator online, They do but when I called the guy said some nonsence how they changed there online calculator for a formula that was supposed to be released but never did. So you have a bunch of people using the old formula with the new calculator. He said if I used that I would burn them. He said he doesnt know my set up so he cant help me. First grow.. Ill just start with 500ppm and every week of veg ill up the ppm by 100-200ppm? use that as a basis of how much of what nutes to give and when. My other question is when using dwc and your water level drops due to the plant eating or evaporation. Do I add ph'ed water or just the same solution I would make when changing water in buckets every week?
I have never worried too much about a couple of gnats, smash em if i get the chance, but i would start looking for more harmful bugs or their damage. If the gnats got in, what else has? Good Catch! When I bought my soil, some of it was contaminated with gnat larve (I didnt know I was supposed to cook it first? first grow?). We looked all over in the soil for bugs and saw nothing so we used it. They showed up after the first watering. I did A LOT of research on gnats and they some leaf damage but are about the least damaging bug I could have. There non flying form doesnt eat roots but any fungus left laying in soil. We water every 3rd watering with an h2o2 solution and it helps keep the fungus and larva growth. We only see one or two every couple days. Its not bad but this makes me dislike soil even more!! Stupid home depot potting soil
You said you need a better way to lower your water temp, how are you doing it now? FYI i used one of those non contact laser thermometers like you have in your pic (given it was a centech from harbor freight) but it was about 5 degrees (sometimes more like 8 ) higher than the probe thermometer i got. I paid $6 for the digital probe type at harbor freight and it seems to work great, it is at least consistent The water temp I was refering to was in my cloner. I changed a bunch of stuff around and it keeps the water temps under 70 now. I also got the hanna ph meter and it reads temp. I never trusted the digital lazer meter but it was better than nothing.

More to come in next Journal entry....

-JOURNAL ENTRY-

-CLONER-
*The cloner is too powerful. It broke off one of the long roots on my best looking clone
*I pulled the 3 gal bucket for the 5 gal and it has a much better water mist going on.
*I pulled out the foam I had on the floor of cloner and now the buckets are just sitting on the wood floor.
*I Have a gap in the corner I widened and moved the fan to draw in the air better.
*My light is about 4" closer and my cloner box/room temps are 5deg lower! It sits right around 75 consistantly now.
*My water temp is right around 70



-VEG-
*I took the 2 soil ladies out weather I have healthy clones off them or not. They are around 24" tall and im sure will out grow my room. Should be interesting!!
*I rearanged the 4 dwc buckets.
*Ph is much more stable
*The root growth is amazing!
*I made some rings out of panda film to try to keep heat from soaking into the buckets and help reflect some light.



-FLOWER ROOM-
*I snuck into the veg room today at 6 and pulled the two girls out and stuck them in the flower room all in the dark under green light.
*This is there first 12 hour night
*Tonight I get to monitor my temps.

-WORK ROOM-
*I organized a little bit
*I added another temp gauge to the set up and finally made them look better.
*Top gauge is veg, bottom is flower
*Single is cloner room

-JOURNAL UPDATE-

-CLONER-
*Yesterday someone suggested I put some nutes in the water. I did, I figured whats the worst that can happen
*I have been misting them 2x times a day to get them back to goo health aswell.
*The two that have been in for two weeks have a nice little root system going!
*The same two are starting to replenish its leaves with green color again!!
*There are white bumps showing on a few of the other clones too, should be 3 more days till I see some form of roots.

-VEG-
*First night of veg room heat + flower room heat. It INCREASED my veg room temp (@top of plant) from a consistant 74-75 to 76-78.5 and I didnt change my fan speed!
*Exhaust Fan speed control setting is between 40-50%
*Since I moved the two monsters out I was able to lower the light to about a foot off the canopy.
*I ran it like this for 12 hours and checked my water temp RIGHT before the lights shut off (max amount of heat rooms and light will produce) and water temp was 75. Since this is the closest my lights will get, this should be about the warmest my water temp should be.
*I re-hooked up my fan on tstat (hanging on wall) to help control temps when the flower room is on.

-FLOWER ROOM-
*Plants really look like they want to be in there.
*I set the light about 1'6" off the canopy at first and room temp (@top of plant) was around 73-74 so I lowered the light to around 10" and the temp rose to 76 so I left it there.
*I set up an oscillating fan in the corner.
*All tests thus far complete!



-KITCHEN-
*My wife makes infused butter and canola oil
*Starts by grinding clippings.
*Butter is 125g of grinded duff per stick of butter
*Canola oil is as much grinded duff we can fit in crock pot and not have any "dry"/Enough so that all is still covered in (48oz) canola oil
*On low for 24-48hr
*Strained w/ cheese cloth
*We prefer cinnamon streusal muffins and any type cookie.
*I end up eating too many fresh out of the oven everytime.

I don't think I would run nutes in the cloner after reading on the subject, what ppm are you @ in your cloner?

My 450cfm fan barely changes temps more than 2 degrees when speeds are controlled from 30% to full, how much cooler can u get ur room if you turned your fan up to max?

I have read keeping your temp probe in direct light is the incorrect way to measure temps because of radiant heat... is your temp probe in direct light?