Global Warming Update

CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Poor Paddy...still using altered data as fact. Ur a bit behind...there is no credible data left now.

There need to be a new crop of scientists to reexamine everything.... ones that have not been corrupted.
 
jeff f

jeff f

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PadawanBater said:
And this statement gets the irony of the year award! I'm the one that brought up the 911 analogy CrackerJax, remember?

You are the truther. You are the minority. You are standing against the established scientific consensus holding your data for piltdown man.

Show me ONE PEER REVIEWED scientific paper that discredits human activity plays a role in global warming. Explain to me how Carbon is good for the atmosphere. Explain to me why the greenhouse effect doesn't work on Earth. Explain to me why you guys only rely on media sources and skip all the science, because hey, it's politics right? This isn't a scientific issue.

A handful of people manipulating some data is not enough evidence to throw out the entire body of climate records. This is absurd and none of you guys address that either. Could you imagine, again I'll bring in the parallels with evolution and creationism, if because of one of the hoaxes that was accepted by a small minority of what was the scientific community for an extremely small amount of time, they throw out all the existing data for evolution, all 100 years or so of information? This is what you guys are proposing when you oppose the science behind climate change. It would be funny if it wasn't so sad, because this affects everyone.

I've said what I had to say.. nothing is going to sway anyone either way. I just hope you guys don't automatically dismiss everything in your lives if it doesn't fit into your comfort zone.

If any of you want to talk about the science, then let's talk about the science. Enough with the politics, I want to see who can back up the claims they make against climate change. So whose up for the challenge?
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my claim is that climate always is in cycle. is today, was yesterday and will be tomorrow

my proof is easy, history, weather records, written documents an tomorrow.

your claim has problems. the main one being that humans are causing it.

your proof is no where near being proven.

you see you just cant come out and say we are going to have climate change, we know that. its already been proven.

you have to prove its human caused and you are no where near that. and i have a hunch, we as people are not capable in changing climate. we can change weather short term. climate? no way.
 
jeff f

jeff f

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dukeofbaja said:
Again, continued assertions about the existence of some global conspiracy theory to take everyone's money, and absolutely no evidence to back it up.

What's funny is that lots of people are making big money by going green. If you invest in a big enough solar panel, not only can you produce enough electricity to power your own house, but with all the excess power you produce that goes back into the grid, the electric company will send you a check every month. But you can feel free to ignore this since it doesn't mesh well with your 'scientists are trying to scam me out of my money' line of opinion.
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this isnt a big conspiracy, this is the united nations wanting to get their hand on our WORKING AMERICAN CITIZENS money. plain and simple. it doenst require some weird bunch of people. its their basic doctrine. concentrate on the un and watch who encorages this shit. this is wide out in the open. no closed doors at all. watch what they do.
 
jeff f

jeff f

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dukeofbaja said:
Again, continued assertions about the existence of some global conspiracy theory to take everyone's money, and absolutely no evidence to back it up.

What's funny is that lots of people are making big money by going green. If you invest in a big enough solar panel, not only can you produce enough electricity to power your own house, but with all the excess power you produce that goes back into the grid, the electric company will send you a check every month. But you can feel free to ignore this since it doesn't mesh well with your 'scientists are trying to scam me out of my money' line of opinion.
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you have no idea what you are talking about. you cant power the united states with solar panels. aint gonna happen. if you want to put panels on your house, knock yourself out and i wish you well. no matter how good a job you do, they will be MORE EXPENSIVE and less RELIABLE than having power delivered by the power company. and you wont fuck up the looks of your house with the huge crappy black panels all over the place.
 
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PadawanBater

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CrackerJax said:
Poor Paddy...still using altered data as fact. Ur a bit behind...there is no credible data left now.

There need to be a new crop of scientists to reexamine everything.... ones that have not been corrupted.
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1.6 MILLION papers, 32 international science academies (including our own), 91% of climatologists and meteorologists in unanimous agreement... But disregarding all that, address these points;

All while weening us off our dependence on foreign oil, which is good practice whether you believe in climate change or not.
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Agree or disagree?

But the reality is that pollution has a very real economic cost, which needs to be paid for one way or another...having the polluters pay for it directly not only makes sure that the taxpayer doesn't have to foot the bill to clean up their shit, it also dissuades them from polluting it in the first place.
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Agree or disagree?

It actually makes economic sense to try to conserve the environment and figure out how to create cheap renewable energy. Why wouldn't you want that?
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Agree or disagree?

jeff f said:
my claim is that climate always is in cycle. is today, was yesterday and will be tomorrow

my proof is easy, history, weather records, written documents an tomorrow.
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The records since the late 1800's indicate the global temperature is increasing. Like I've been saying, almost all the scientists are in unanimous agreement about this issue.

your claim has problems. the main one being that humans are causing it.

your proof is no where near being proven.

you see you just cant come out and say we are going to have climate change, we know that. its already been proven.

you have to prove its human caused and you are no where near that. and i have a hunch, we as people are not capable in changing climate. we can change weather short term. climate? no way.
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I'm saying there are many factors that are increasing the global temperatures, not only human emissions. You are discounting human activity all together because of a global conspiracy you believe in about the UN trying to steal your money. None of you will address the points I've made, including the ones that aren't even about CC.

Why is that?
 
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stefjw

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http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2010/jan/HQ_10-017_Warmest_temps.html




I like how you chose to show the last 100 years, and granted, looking at that, it does create the illusion that its humans that are causing the warming.

I prefer this graph myself,




I feel this gives a MUCH more accurate view of todays temperatures.

There are probably reasons for the planet warming that we don't yet understand, so i think it's naive to blame it on us.

However, I do feel that we may contribute (a very, very small amount) and finding new ways other than fossil fuels for power is a good idea.
 
Big P

Big P

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wow looks like padawan is one of the people tryig to decieve us with bullshit and deceptive graphs

ok DUKE

the guy who was lieing about global warming, A LEAD SCITIST WHOS DATA WAS BEING USED BY THE UN.

said he was going to commit suicide when it came out that they were lieing & fixing the data.


he just came out the other day and came clean finally

said and I quote, this UN sighted Scitentist who presides over all the data came out and admitted a few days ago:

"there has been no global warming since 1995"

he goes on further to say "there has been a slight cooling since the year 2002!!!!!"

so you are WRONG DUKE face it:eyesmoke:



ok padawan now for you

you ask me how they will take my chedder over this, here's the best part, and why all those greedy politiions are always fighting a smile on thier face

i like to call this the cheesy grin part of thier kabal


when a company cannot reduce its emissions without losing its porfit

the extra charges they will incurr from loss of profit or carbon taxes with these new laws will simply be passed down to the consumer.


Reaising prices of OIL & ENERGY by atleast 25% sdo they can spend the money on nonexistant global warming when the earth is actually cooling!!

i know know they think we are some sort of bitch made suckers


anyways your home heating bill will go up like crazy. your electric bill and all your plants will cost you way more to grow.

an apple which must be shipped will cost more because energy and fuel will cost more, ever item on a shelf in a store will cost more

all this money being removed from the economy will stagnate it

companies will have to tighten thier belts even more, people will lose thier jobs,

less jobs means less retail purchases less money in the hands of the consumer

meaning more poeple will be laid off, it becomes a vicous circle

now this would be a disaster that could only be justified if we are in direct threat of peril and impending doom from global warming,


so it makes sense why once the warming stopped they would still pretend it was and lie to us

the evidence shows they are liars, liberals want to take the wealth away from the hands of the poeple and put it in the hands of the goverment


this is why they lie about global warming.


if more poeple would just listen to what other have to say they could learn a lot.

never serve any master but yourself


the only credits they should give in a cap n trade style is for the consumer,

that way they can save money by being energy concious and they dont pass on thier extra costs like a company would

they would save money for being energy concious in thier homes and then in turn would have more money which strengthen the economy]


im not tottally convinced that the goal of the obama admin wasnt to collapse the whole system in time with passing a cap n trade bill duing the worst recession since the depression to usher on a socialist revolution in American in the coming years:cuss:



the numbers dont stack up, anyone with a face can see that these policies would destroy our nation, trust
 
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fdd2blk

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do i take a drive to the lake first and check it out, or do i just hitch up the trailer and get on it?!?



i live a hard life. :wall:
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Drive there first and check. that way it's two trips....we could use the carbon since the earth is cooling.
 
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fdd2blk

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CrackerJax said:
Drive there first and check. that way it's two trips....we could use the carbon since the earth is cooling.
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perfect answer. :eyesmoke:

i'm outta here, kids. :blsmoke:bongsmilie

i'll take pics and start a new "lake thread' when i get back. i wanna shoot some onboard video this year. i just need a waterproof camera. :mrgreen:
 
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PadawanBater

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All while weening us off our dependence on foreign oil, which is good practice whether you believe in climate change or not.

But the reality is that pollution has a very real economic cost, which needs to be paid for one way or another...having the polluters pay for it directly not only makes sure that the taxpayer doesn't have to foot the bill to clean up their shit, it also dissuades them from polluting it in the first place.

It actually makes economic sense to try to conserve the environment and figure out how to create cheap renewable energy. Why wouldn't you want that?
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Cracker, you can keep ignoring these points all you want, but until you address them, they're not going away. ;-)

Like I've been saying, there are much better reasons, OTHER THAN CC, to get off oil and transition to alternative renewable energy sources.

I like how you chose to show the last 100 years, and granted, looking at that, it does create the illusion that its humans that are causing the warming.

The earliest records we have are from the 1880's, before that it's ice core samples and geological data. While good evidence that supports cycles of climate change that we all agree happens naturally, it's simply not enough data to conclude humans play no role. The time span and rate of increase measured coincides with the Industrial Revolution. It's a spike, it's an abnormality in the climate measurement, and again, it's also not enough evidence to conclude one way or the other, which is why you have to look at the entire picture - economic value of alternative energy, less reliance on foreign oil which would indirectly (theoretically and hopefully) lead to less interest in middle eastern affairs and the monopoly on the worlds number one energy source, etc.. It's never been simply "save the environment!".

wow looks like padawan is one of the people tryig to decieve us with bullshit and deceptive graphs

I'm the only person in this thread who brought anything scientific with me for evidence at all. All you have is Fox News Pundits claiming that because there are freak snow storms (in winter :dunce:) on the east coast, "global warming" (as I've already explained three times is a misleading term) is all a lie.

You dismiss the science and support the propaganda. You guys are all avoiding the points because you can't counter any of them.

That graph came right off of NASA's website. I guess you believe we never landed on the moon too?

ok padawan now for you

you ask me how they will take my chedder over this, here's the best part, and why all those greedy politiions are always fighting a smile on thier face

i like to call this the cheesy grin part of thier kabal

when a company cannot reduce its emissions without losing its porfit

the extra charges they will incurr from loss of profit or carbon taxes with these new laws will simply be passed down to the consumer.

WTF are you talking about? Do you know anything about economics? Supply/demand? If costs rise, like they always do, competition comes in and regulates in the free market. BUSINESS OWNERS and CORPORATIONS will be the ones covering the cost of the Carbon emissions tax (which they should be, clearly, again, how the hell would you argue with that?), if they don't use some of the profits they make to ensure their corporation abide by the regulations, they will go out of business via constant competition, which would create MORE jobs. If they raise their prices of the products they sell, people simply won't buy them. It's as simple as that.

Reaising prices of OIL & ENERGY by atleast 25% sdo they can spend the money on nonexistant global warming when the earth is actually cooling!!

i know know they think we are some sort of bitch made suckers

anyways your home heating bill will go up like crazy. your electric bill and all your plants will cost you way more to grow.

an apple which must be shipped will cost more because energy and fuel will cost more, ever item on a shelf in a store will cost more

This is where alternative energy sources comes in. Start investing buddy, it might make you a wealthy man one day.

all this money being removed from the economy will stagnate it

companies will have to tighten thier belts even more, people will lose thier jobs,

less jobs means less retail purchases less money in the hands of the consumer

meaning more poeple will be laid off, it becomes a vicous circle

now this would be a disaster that could only be justified if we are in direct threat of peril and impending doom from global warming,

so it makes sense why once the warming stopped they would still pretend it was and lie to us

the evidence shows they are liars, liberals want to take the wealth away from the hands of the poeple and put it in the hands of the goverment

WTF kind of claim is that P, seriously? :wall:

this is why they lie about global warming.

if more poeple would just listen to what other have to say they could learn a lot.

never serve any master but yourself

They lie to you about CC because they want to keep the profits rolling. If the majority of the world were in complete agreement about how burning fossil fuels puts more Carbon in the atmosphere which increases the global climate, current energy corporations would go out of business almost overnight. You don't think these corporations pay politicians to lie? They don't play any role in the media and what gets said on air? Think about that one for a second...

the only credits they should give in a cap n trade style is for the consumer,

that way they can save money by being energy concious and they dont pass on thier extra costs like a company would

they would save money for being energy concious in thier homes and then in turn would have more money which strengthen the economy]

im not tottally convinced that the goal of the obama admin wasnt to collapse the whole system in time with passing a cap n trade bill duing the worst recession since the depression to usher on a socialist revolution in American in the coming years

That's quite the conspiracy without much evidence...

Like I said.... Paddy is woefully behind on this issue.

Pay attention.
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Says the guy who avoids everything...

Prediction for Crackers next post - same shit with no substance ignoring all the points made and acting like a pompous ass, again, after answering nothing. :clap: Don't let me down Cracker!
 
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Illegal Smile

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^^^ what the hell are you rambling on and on about? The scientists themselves are admitting it was all a hoax. You can cite your "science" all you want. The only response it is getting is hoots of laughter!
 
Antidisestablishmentarian

Antidisestablishmentarian

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Seriously, are some of thes guys stuck in the past?

The absolute newest information is that all 90% of those scientists were using fake numbers.

The man who collects all the data on this said they were not real.

He in fact said the Earth is cooling and has been for almost a decade.

Get out of the past and into the now.

Or we could go back to the seventies and talk about how the new ice age is coming.

Scientists don't always get it right.
 
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PadawanBater

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Luckily it's not "one scientist" gathering all the information. It's thousands of them corroborating on the data. But I guess I'll just take your word for it...

(it helps to cite sources when making claims, too!)
 
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