dukeofbaja
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Suggested 5th option: Don't care about either enviro or CC, just wandered into this thread looking for goat sex porn.
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PadawanBater
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That's a good idea.
I'm gonna guess you get a wide margin for the first two.
jeff f
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how bout we include the question, "how ridiculous are these headlines"? check the dates. you guys dont have a leg to stand on
Antarctic glaciers shrink The Baltimore Sun, April 22, 2005
Study shows Antarctic glaciers shrinking Associated Press, April 22, 2005
Vanishing glaciers: Antarcticas big melt The Australian, April 23, 2005
New study points to big melt in Antarctica Sci-Tech Today, April 22, 2005
Antarctic glaciers in mass retreat Nature.com, April 21, 2005
Antarctic glaciers at risk of global warming All Headline News, April 22, 2005
Antarctic glaciers are getting smaller faster The Times On-line, April 22, 2005
Shrinking glaciers confirm the worst New Scientist, April 27, 2005
Suddenly the tune has changed:Study shows Antarctic glaciers shrinking Associated Press, April 22, 2005
Vanishing glaciers: Antarcticas big melt The Australian, April 23, 2005
New study points to big melt in Antarctica Sci-Tech Today, April 22, 2005
Antarctic glaciers in mass retreat Nature.com, April 21, 2005
Antarctic glaciers at risk of global warming All Headline News, April 22, 2005
Antarctic glaciers are getting smaller faster The Times On-line, April 22, 2005
Shrinking glaciers confirm the worst New Scientist, April 27, 2005
As climate shifts, Antarctic ice sheet is growing Los Angeles Times, May 20, 2005
Scientists link global warming to Antarctics ice caps growth Chicago Tribune, May 20, 2005
Antarctica ice cap thickens Pittsburgh Post Gazette, May 20, 2005
Warming is blamed for Antarctics weight gain New York Times, May 20, 2005
Ice sheet confounds climate theory The Telegraph, May 20, 2005
Antarctica ice cap thickens, slowing rise in sea levels Pioneer Press, May 20, 2005
drumbum3218
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if we would have just planted hemp in 1937, instead of continuing to knock down ALL the trees in the world, we might not be facing such global warming
dukeofbaja
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No, you are right. 90% of the actual scientists are wrong. And plankton levels don't decrease in the arctic at an accelerated pace each year.
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The left is hanging on to two things that indicate desperation. Global warming and Barack Obama. If they were smart (not) they'd jettison both now.
I believe that humans are adding to climate change, but its only around 1-3 %
When a large volcano goes off it releases more CO2 at once than we produce in 10 years !
Turning off my kitchen light or taking my tv off standby isn't going to do a fucking thing, if you take into account all the power places like Las Vagas use 24/7
It's just a cycle, theres nothing we can do to speed it up or slow it down, we are overdue an ice age, I see us freezing before we fry.
When a large volcano goes off it releases more CO2 at once than we produce in 10 years !
Turning off my kitchen light or taking my tv off standby isn't going to do a fucking thing, if you take into account all the power places like Las Vagas use 24/7
It's just a cycle, theres nothing we can do to speed it up or slow it down, we are overdue an ice age, I see us freezing before we fry.
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Just for the record, I don't believe the hard left responsible for the global warming hoax cares at all about the environment. They know that destroying industrialized economies will not lead to an advantage for the environment, but they don't care. What they are is anti-capitalist, not anti climate change.
jeff f
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so the plankton are decreasing due to global warming? are they similar to the ice in the anarctic...you know....decreasing while increasing withing the same 30 day span? as the "scientist" say..
Wavels
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My hunch is that those who have posted regarding the support of man caused climate change, do not remember that "scientific consensus" of the 1970's predicted extreme global cooling.
Algore and his minions have exploited shoddy politicly motivated "science" as a modern day socialist Trojan Horse.
What is truly frightening is that they almost pulled it off!
Algore and his minions have exploited shoddy politicly motivated "science" as a modern day socialist Trojan Horse.
What is truly frightening is that they almost pulled it off!
CrackerJax
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Baja has already pointed out by example.... he can't digest data properly.
And yes... of course, number 2 please. I am an environmentalist. I have built literally thousands of acres of wetlands and upland ecosystems.
I also know when I see a subversion of science.
Number 2 please. Getting it SO wrong hurts the sciences. We need to filter out the ninnies and political hacks a bit better.
And yes... of course, number 2 please. I am an environmentalist. I have built literally thousands of acres of wetlands and upland ecosystems.
I also know when I see a subversion of science.
Number 2 please. Getting it SO wrong hurts the sciences. We need to filter out the ninnies and political hacks a bit better.
Big P
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they did almost pull it off
its very sad
whats even more funny is some tards in here still actually belive them!!!!
even while they are back peddlin!!!! and putting feets in they mouth
get a life guys, i know you loved being the holier than thou preechers, like you guys are so cool and hip and "with it" the envorinment and everyone else is just a wastful wendy and a destructive danny right? you global warming truthers and where its at, you guys know much better im sure
but the truth is you guys are just like thinking you are better than other people
your so used to lecturing and bitching and moaning about the environment that its not even about the environment anymore is it
is just about making yourself feel like you are a better person than all those dirty wastfull waynes out there, you can walk around like you are gods gift and everyone else is wastfull idiot.
hmmm how nice it must be for your "all knowing" new age thinkers. you could never be the idiot humans erring as you have done countless time in history
i bow to you oh great ones.
but allass what is this???? your snoby leaders are crumbling under the microscope???? how dare they take away, your "im better than them card"
what will you use for your selfesteem now you hypocrates?
and now you flail like angry kittens
"I swear I swear it is our fault!!!!"
maybe time to get a life
THE GREAT CLIMATE CHANGE RETREAT!
Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
By Jonathan Petre
Last updated at 5:12 PM on 14th February 2010
Data: Professor Phil Jones admitted his record keeping is 'not as good as it should be'
The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.
Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.
Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.
The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.
Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.
And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.
The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.
Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data.
The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the world and analysed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster efforts by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions.
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Following the leak of the emails, Professor Jones has been accused of ‘scientific fraud’ for allegedly deliberately suppressing information and refusing to share vital data with critics.
Discussing the interview, the BBC’s environmental analyst Roger Harrabin said he had spoken to colleagues of Professor Jones who had told him that his strengths included integrity and doggedness but not record-keeping and office tidying.
Mr Harrabin, who conducted the interview for the BBC’s website, said the professor had been collating tens of thousands of pieces of data from around the world to produce a coherent record of temperature change.
That material has been used to produce the ‘hockey stick graph’ which is relatively flat for centuries before rising steeply in recent decades.
According to Mr Harrabin, colleagues of Professor Jones said ‘his office is piled high with paper, fragments from over the years, tens of thousands of pieces of paper, and they suspect what happened was he took in the raw data to a central database and then let the pieces of paper go because he never realised that 20 years later he would be held to account over them’.
Asked by Mr Harrabin about these issues, Professor Jones admitted the lack of organisation in the system had contributed to his reluctance to share data with critics, which he regretted.
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But he denied he had cheated over the data or unfairly influenced the scientific process, and said he still believed recent temperature rises were predominantly man-made.
Asked about whether he lost track of data, Professor Jones said: ‘There is some truth in that. We do have a trail of where the weather stations have come from but it’s probably not as good as it should be.
‘There’s a continual updating of the dataset. Keeping track of everything is difficult. Some countries will do lots of checking on their data then issue improved data, so it can be very difficult. We have improved but we have to improve more.’
He also agreed that there had been two periods which experienced similar warming, from 1910 to 1940 and from 1975 to 1998, but said these could be explained by natural phenomena whereas more recent warming could not.
He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no ‘statistically significant’ warming, although he argued this was a blip rather than the long-term trend.
And he said that the debate over whether the world could have been even warmer than now during the medieval period, when there is evidence of high temperatures in northern countries, was far from settled.
Sceptics believe there is strong evidence that the world was warmer between about 800 and 1300 AD than now because of evidence of high temperatures in northern countries.
But climate change advocates have dismissed this as false or only applying to the northern part of the world.
Professor Jones departed from this consensus when he said: ‘There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia.
‘For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.
‘Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today, then obviously the late 20th Century warmth would not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm than today, then the current warmth would be unprecedented.’
Sceptics said this was the first time a senior scientist working with the IPCC had admitted to the possibility that the Medieval Warming Period could have been global, and therefore the world could have been hotter then than now.
Professor Jones criticised those who complained he had not shared his data with them, saying they could always collate their own from publicly available material in the US. And he said the climate had not cooled ‘until recently – and then barely at all. The trend is a warming trend’.
Mr Harrabin told Radio 4’s Today programme that, despite the controversies, there still appeared to be no fundamental flaws in the majority scientific view that climate change was largely man-made.
But Dr Benny Pieser, director of the sceptical Global Warming Policy Foundation, said Professor Jones’s ‘excuses’ for his failure to share data were hollow as he had shared it with colleagues and ‘mates’.
He said that until all the data was released, sceptics could not test it to see if it supported the conclusions claimed by climate change advocates.
He added that the professor’s concessions over medieval warming were ‘significant’ because they were his first public admission that the science was not settled.
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Albagore and Hollywood's shrill, stream of consciousness, "F" word colloquies are starting to look mighty silly. I suppose all that "F" word noise was a show of how double dog serious they were. However, I was not impressed, failed to stir and go tromping off to purchase an Albagore forgiveness kit.
- Nevada Bill, Incline village, Lake Tahoe, Nevada, USA, 15/2/2010 15:22
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And every politician who bought into this should be questioned relative to their gullibility and/ or alterior motives. Too many governments across the globe have been engaged and were ready to take their citizens down a path that would negatively impact the economic and social well being of a huge percentage of their population. Too many green jobs were about green money. Maybe now we can get back to solving real problems.
- bradley, Pinehurst, NC, USA, 15/2/2010 15:20
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The thing is that the assertion of MMGW was predicated on invalidating 150 years worth of record keeping. Measurements have been made on CO2 since the early 19th century. There is no way an honest scientist could look at all that data and conclude MMGW. Therefore, this whole issue has been a criminally negligent enterprise. I hope someone will look into the fact that there is no way this was not an intentional attempt to misrepresent the facts.
- Joseph Arche, Hernandez, NM USA, 15/2/2010 15:20
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Please see 111 page scientific paper by D'Aleo - Watts which answers the entire Global Warming perspective @ publicpolicyandscience.org
- DMW, Troy NY, USA, 15/2/2010 15:20
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Let me repeat this so that there will be no misunderstanding..........All of this has NEVER been about anything but a transfer of trillions of dollars of our
( your ) money to a select few ( Al Gore, U.N., etc ), the destruction of capitalism, and the control of our lives by an increasing Central Global Authority.
Some of these same people told us 40 years ago that we'd all be frozen to death by 2000, and because of overpopulation we'd all be dead from starvation before 2010.
Global cooling! Ice Age! Oops, I mean Global Warming! Oops, I mean Climate Change! Hurry, send in more money! We'll figure it out later.
We're governed by a large group of liars and thieves, bankers and politicians, but I repeat myself.
- Richard, Clearwater, USA, 15/2/2010 15:13
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This is a 'scientist'? and he can't keep track of supporting data? really? What the hell kind of scientist is that? theoretical?
- Ruler4You, Western USA, 15/2/2010 15:
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html#ixzz0fcT8vUfe
its very sad
whats even more funny is some tards in here still actually belive them!!!!
even while they are back peddlin!!!! and putting feets in they mouth
get a life guys, i know you loved being the holier than thou preechers, like you guys are so cool and hip and "with it" the envorinment and everyone else is just a wastful wendy and a destructive danny right? you global warming truthers and where its at, you guys know much better im sure
but the truth is you guys are just like thinking you are better than other people
your so used to lecturing and bitching and moaning about the environment that its not even about the environment anymore is it
is just about making yourself feel like you are a better person than all those dirty wastfull waynes out there, you can walk around like you are gods gift and everyone else is wastfull idiot.
hmmm how nice it must be for your "all knowing" new age thinkers. you could never be the idiot humans erring as you have done countless time in history
i bow to you oh great ones.
but allass what is this???? your snoby leaders are crumbling under the microscope???? how dare they take away, your "im better than them card"
what will you use for your selfesteem now you hypocrates
?and now you flail like angry kittens
"I swear I swear it is our fault!!!!"
maybe time to get a life
THE GREAT CLIMATE CHANGE RETREAT!
Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
By Jonathan Petre
Last updated at 5:12 PM on 14th February 2010
- Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing There has been no global warming since 1995
- Warming periods have happened before - but NOT due to man-made changes
The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.
Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.
Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.
The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.
Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.
And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.
The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.
Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data.
The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the world and analysed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster efforts by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions.
More...
Following the leak of the emails, Professor Jones has been accused of ‘scientific fraud’ for allegedly deliberately suppressing information and refusing to share vital data with critics.
Discussing the interview, the BBC’s environmental analyst Roger Harrabin said he had spoken to colleagues of Professor Jones who had told him that his strengths included integrity and doggedness but not record-keeping and office tidying.
Mr Harrabin, who conducted the interview for the BBC’s website, said the professor had been collating tens of thousands of pieces of data from around the world to produce a coherent record of temperature change.
That material has been used to produce the ‘hockey stick graph’ which is relatively flat for centuries before rising steeply in recent decades.
According to Mr Harrabin, colleagues of Professor Jones said ‘his office is piled high with paper, fragments from over the years, tens of thousands of pieces of paper, and they suspect what happened was he took in the raw data to a central database and then let the pieces of paper go because he never realised that 20 years later he would be held to account over them’.
Asked by Mr Harrabin about these issues, Professor Jones admitted the lack of organisation in the system had contributed to his reluctance to share data with critics, which he regretted.
Enlarge
But he denied he had cheated over the data or unfairly influenced the scientific process, and said he still believed recent temperature rises were predominantly man-made.
Asked about whether he lost track of data, Professor Jones said: ‘There is some truth in that. We do have a trail of where the weather stations have come from but it’s probably not as good as it should be.
‘There’s a continual updating of the dataset. Keeping track of everything is difficult. Some countries will do lots of checking on their data then issue improved data, so it can be very difficult. We have improved but we have to improve more.’
He also agreed that there had been two periods which experienced similar warming, from 1910 to 1940 and from 1975 to 1998, but said these could be explained by natural phenomena whereas more recent warming could not.
He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no ‘statistically significant’ warming, although he argued this was a blip rather than the long-term trend.
And he said that the debate over whether the world could have been even warmer than now during the medieval period, when there is evidence of high temperatures in northern countries, was far from settled.
Sceptics believe there is strong evidence that the world was warmer between about 800 and 1300 AD than now because of evidence of high temperatures in northern countries.
But climate change advocates have dismissed this as false or only applying to the northern part of the world.
Professor Jones departed from this consensus when he said: ‘There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia.
‘For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.
‘Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today, then obviously the late 20th Century warmth would not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm than today, then the current warmth would be unprecedented.’
Sceptics said this was the first time a senior scientist working with the IPCC had admitted to the possibility that the Medieval Warming Period could have been global, and therefore the world could have been hotter then than now.
Professor Jones criticised those who complained he had not shared his data with them, saying they could always collate their own from publicly available material in the US. And he said the climate had not cooled ‘until recently – and then barely at all. The trend is a warming trend’.
Mr Harrabin told Radio 4’s Today programme that, despite the controversies, there still appeared to be no fundamental flaws in the majority scientific view that climate change was largely man-made.
But Dr Benny Pieser, director of the sceptical Global Warming Policy Foundation, said Professor Jones’s ‘excuses’ for his failure to share data were hollow as he had shared it with colleagues and ‘mates’.
He said that until all the data was released, sceptics could not test it to see if it supported the conclusions claimed by climate change advocates.
He added that the professor’s concessions over medieval warming were ‘significant’ because they were his first public admission that the science was not settled.
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Albagore and Hollywood's shrill, stream of consciousness, "F" word colloquies are starting to look mighty silly. I suppose all that "F" word noise was a show of how double dog serious they were. However, I was not impressed, failed to stir and go tromping off to purchase an Albagore forgiveness kit.
- Nevada Bill, Incline village, Lake Tahoe, Nevada, USA, 15/2/2010 15:22
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And every politician who bought into this should be questioned relative to their gullibility and/ or alterior motives. Too many governments across the globe have been engaged and were ready to take their citizens down a path that would negatively impact the economic and social well being of a huge percentage of their population. Too many green jobs were about green money. Maybe now we can get back to solving real problems.
- bradley, Pinehurst, NC, USA, 15/2/2010 15:20
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The thing is that the assertion of MMGW was predicated on invalidating 150 years worth of record keeping. Measurements have been made on CO2 since the early 19th century. There is no way an honest scientist could look at all that data and conclude MMGW. Therefore, this whole issue has been a criminally negligent enterprise. I hope someone will look into the fact that there is no way this was not an intentional attempt to misrepresent the facts.
- Joseph Arche, Hernandez, NM USA, 15/2/2010 15:20
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Please see 111 page scientific paper by D'Aleo - Watts which answers the entire Global Warming perspective @ publicpolicyandscience.org
- DMW, Troy NY, USA, 15/2/2010 15:20
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Let me repeat this so that there will be no misunderstanding..........All of this has NEVER been about anything but a transfer of trillions of dollars of our
( your ) money to a select few ( Al Gore, U.N., etc ), the destruction of capitalism, and the control of our lives by an increasing Central Global Authority.
Some of these same people told us 40 years ago that we'd all be frozen to death by 2000, and because of overpopulation we'd all be dead from starvation before 2010.
Global cooling! Ice Age! Oops, I mean Global Warming! Oops, I mean Climate Change! Hurry, send in more money! We'll figure it out later.
We're governed by a large group of liars and thieves, bankers and politicians, but I repeat myself.
- Richard, Clearwater, USA, 15/2/2010 15:13
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This is a 'scientist'? and he can't keep track of supporting data? really? What the hell kind of scientist is that? theoretical?
- Ruler4You, Western USA, 15/2/2010 15:
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html#ixzz0fcT8vUfe
Wavels
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I am not a big Donald Trump fan, but that is irrelevant...two giant thumbs up for these comments:
Billionaire real estate tycoon Donald Trump wants Al Gore's Nobel Peace Prize stripped from the Global Warmingist-in-Chief.
"With the coldest winter ever recorded, with snow setting record levels up and down the coast, the Nobel committee should take the Nobel Prize back, " Trump recently told members of his Westchester, New York, country club according to the New York Post.
The Post continued (h/t Polijam):
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/02/15/donald-trump-wants-al-gores-nobel-peace-prize-stripped#ixzz0fckjGSZt
"With the coldest winter ever recorded, with snow setting record levels up and down the coast, the Nobel committee should take the Nobel Prize back, " Trump recently told members of his Westchester, New York, country club according to the New York Post.
The Post continued (h/t Polijam):
"Gore wants us to clean up our factories and plants in order to protect us from global warming, when China and other countries couldn't care less. It would make us totally noncompetitive in the manufacturing world, and China, Japan and India are laughing at America's stupidity."
According to the Post, the crowd of 500 stood and applauded.
Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/02/15/donald-trump-wants-al-gores-nobel-peace-prize-stripped#ixzz0fckjGSZt
CrackerJax
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Anyone else notice that Global warming is starting to parallel the 9/11 "truthers" (oxymoron)?
Wavels
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Lol, Yes indeed...
Not only that, but I also have the sense that this is largely the same type of person, in that, I think that a high percentage of Truthers are also man caused global warming zealots.
CrackerJax
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Carbon criminal!!
CrackerJax
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Now ur a felon.
dukeofbaja
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Just for the record, I don't believe the hard left responsible for the global warming hoax cares at all about the environment. They know that destroying industrialized economies will not lead to an advantage for the environment, but they don't care. What they are is anti-capitalist, not anti climate change. - IS
Wow, and your opinion is shared by what person who does actual science? Or what facts? I find it hilarious to be compared to a '911 truther' because I agree with 90% of actual scientists out there that man has a hand in causing global warming. Yet the few folks here that support an outrageous, unlikely, downright impossible conspitracy theory like this one think anyone who disagrees is a nutjob. The least yo can do is give a brief synopsis supporting such an outrageous claim. Big claims need big evidence to support them, not just continued assertions.
Wow, and your opinion is shared by what person who does actual science? Or what facts? I find it hilarious to be compared to a '911 truther' because I agree with 90% of actual scientists out there that man has a hand in causing global warming. Yet the few folks here that support an outrageous, unlikely, downright impossible conspitracy theory like this one think anyone who disagrees is a nutjob. The least yo can do is give a brief synopsis supporting such an outrageous claim. Big claims need big evidence to support them, not just continued assertions.