giving defoliation during flower a try

PetFlora said:

I could have elaborated.

More light to the leafs near the buds to fuel development

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1. So you think that the products produced at the top of a plant/tree/shrub are only contained within that zone and not translocated throughout the plant including the root tissue?

2. There is very little green material at budsites for photosynthesis compared to the large fan leaves (solar collectors).

Try growing outdoors, With most genetics you'll have popcorn buds at the bottom in spite of that area receiving plenty of sun. You guys just don't understand plant processes.

Look, guys like you have made a choice and that choice is to conform to a cannabis forum group mentality, a comfort zone, as opposed to spending time with bonafide conventional gardeners and spending some time with your nose in a conventional gardening or horticultural book.

We agree to disagree, or I do

BUT, again, I judiciously defol

I find I get a better harvest if I give her a good prune on week 3 and 4 of flower.

Uncle Ben said:

Sorry! Totally misunderstood you. Am a little gunshy as I've had quite a few people lift my text and photos and pass it off as their own. For example- http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-medical-marijuana-growing/215941-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-enhance-flowering.html

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not a problem mate, must be really annoying when someone does this

Sativied said:

It's about company X wanting your money by offering a specific veg 'and' bloom formula that company Y, where you normally would buy your all purpose basic no-nonsense nutrients, does not offer. Same thing goes for PK13/14 regardless of the cost (canna 'invented' it, others needed to create something similar to prevent losing customers).


What did I tell you about posting your skinny lanky mutilated plants as good examples of anything? And again you accompany it with utter bullshit.

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I feel sorry for you

You must be possessed to continue to seek me out for your nasty inappropriate ridicule.

Links to my grows in my signature speak for themselves. Anyone can look at them and decide who to follow or believe.

It seems the mods don't back up the site's own proviso regarding communications should be civil

Look folks, when we post shit here on the web, pictures and words, it is out there for all to see, use, take, etc. Unless there is a copywrite it is public domain.

Uncle Ben ..Banned by Moderators on GC ..after 15 posts now you try that shit here ...how many canna sites is this now? get a life sonny!

Uncle Ben said:

1. So you think that the products produced at the top of a plant/tree/shrub are only contained within that zone and not translocated throughout the plant including the root tissue?

2. There is very little green material at budsites for photosynthesis compared to the large fan leaves (solar collectors).

Try growing outdoors, With most genetics you'll have popcorn buds at the bottom in spite of that area receiving plenty of sun. You guys just don't understand plant processes.

Look, guys like you have made a choice and that choice is to conform to a cannabis forum group mentality, a comfort zone, as opposed to spending time with bonafide conventional gardeners and spending some time with your nose in a conventional gardening or horticultural book.

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(1) I think of the roots as a pump and the less energy the plant uses, pumping the nutes 2,3 or 5 ft high the better and that's why I like them short and bushy with thick stems (don't know if I am right or not)

(2) yer that makes sense, There is very little green material at budsites for photosynthesis compared to the large fan leaves, just like your main shoot only had a couple of fan leaves and it looked good, would be good to find out why it tends to go like this, loads of fan leaves in veg and a few in mid/late flower at the top of the canopy seems to give you the largest buds


I am not an outdoor grower and didn't know you get popcorn buds at the bottom of a plant even when there in direct sun light, maybe the plants not getting enough nutes/water so the lower fan leaves /bud sites suffer and all the energy is redirected to the top of the canopy.

keeping plants short and bushy under 2ft tall tends to yield 3-5oz's per plant, often without any popcorn buds, don't know why
I was guessing popcorn buds was down to the light as this often happens when you grow plants without enough light ( seen so many threads on this lol )

keeping the light close to the top of the canopy has always resulted in larger buds

will start reading up on conventional gardening or horticultural book

PetFlora said:

I feel sorry for you

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As I explained to you in the other thread, you don't have any credibility when it comes to feeling sorry for someone else. After your comment "I recently got acknowledged for receiving 1000 Likes" and the rest of your delusional responses (YOU are the one who attacked me, I was just talking about your crappy plants....) it just doesn't have any value...

PetFlora said:

You must be possessed to continue to seek me out for your nasty inappropriate ridicule.

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Keep kidding yourself... you are not special in any way, just another bullshitter parroting forum nonsense to the blind. Besides that your stupid blue colored text makes your bullshit pop out so much.

And sure fucking crybaby, go report me at the mods again for calling you out on the massive amount of bullshit you post... again, if you don't want someone pointing out you are bullshitting, don't post the same old bullshit over and over. It's a forum... post crappy plants as supposedly good examples of anything and I will point out they suck as examples because they are skinny lanky plants. If the truth hurts too much, get off the fucking internet...

Sat, It's one thing to disagree, it's quite another to be vicious

So, yes I continue to report you and the mods continue to let you act like a foul mouthed bully

UB show me the science that says not defoling is best

PetFlora said:

Sat, It's one thing to disagree, it's quite another to be vicious

UB show me the science that says not defoling is best

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Sativied said:

It's about company X wanting your money by offering a specific veg 'and' bloom formula

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either will work, and the price is the same

if a crop used 2 bottles of food

2 bottles of veg £22
2 bottles of flower £22
1 bottle of each £22

i would spend almost as much on rock wool that stuff is quite expensive
i tend to buy the flower food it last a little longer than the veg its roughly 5-510 npk

peace

PetFlora said:

Sat, It's one thing to disagree, it's quite another to be vicious

So, yes I continue to report you and the mods continue to let you act like a foul mouthed bully

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As long as you continue to post bullshit I will continue to point out you are a bullshitter and your pathetic attempts to pretend to be a victim of an internet bully isn't going to change that. Welcome to a discussion forum crybaby.

"It's one thing to disagree", it's quite another to insist on spreading false information that has been disproven in many discussions just to keep fooling yourself and others that you have any "expertise" or "credibility", essentially to be a delusional asshat. Reporting me for pointing out you're a bullshitter and warning others for your potential harmful nonsense is acting like a little bitch... and I treat people like they act.

Uncle Ben said:

More light to the buds, eh? Please articulate why cannabis needs light at the buds. I want science as in photosynthesis or hormonal processes going on, not RIU broscience, hearsay, or feelings.

Thanks

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perhaps he was talking about the multitude of leaves that grow out of the buds

@skunkd0c: that part you quoted means nothing without the rest. Point was there are multiple companies. It's about company X wanting you to spend your money on their products by claiming you need the specific flower formula they do offer and company Y doesn't. Not necessarily about getting more money from an existing customer (that's what additives are for ) and no the cheap no-nonsense nutes bottle at company Y does not cost as much as some of the cannabis specific veg+bloom nutes.

Sativied said:

@skunkd0c: that part you quoted means nothing without the rest. Point was there are multiple companies. It's about company X wanting you to spend your money on their products by claiming you need the specific flower formula they do offer and company Y doesn't. Not necessarily about getting more money from an existing customer (that's what additives are for ) and no the cheap no-nonsense nutes bottle at company Y does not cost as much as some of the cannabis specific veg+bloom nutes.

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new growers will listen to what they are told and possibly buy the full range of products
perhaps they will learn with experience they don't need them

more money is actually wasted by folk who change their res every week or 2 weeks
people are throwing food away , this is what they are told to do by the food companies too

this is kind of the full range of products , yeh i agree its one huge scam
but i would look at it as more the whole range of products are a scam
rather than singling out flower food

when you take it as the full package. only the veg or bloom is needed to take plants from start to finish

pre-veg seedling food
veg
bloom
bloom booster
root stimulants
foliar spray
bio pak
bio plus
enzymes

quite a few companies are coming out with foliar sprays and pre veg foods
or seedling foods, using the fear noobs have of burning plants when they are young to sell it
they market this seedling food as "delicate to young seedlings" lol

chuck estevez said:

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I was starting to think the plant need all the fan leaves till I read this post, thanks chuck

leaves need c02 and light on the fan leaves so if the canopy too thick a lot of fan will not get light and co2 they need so by removing some fan leaves from a thick canopy its going to help by increasing airflow

skunkd0c said:

new growers will listen to what they are told and possibly buy the full range of products
perhaps they will learn with experience they don't need them

more money is actually wasted by folk who change their res every week or 2 weeks
people are throwing food away , this is what they are told to do by the food companies too

this is kind of the full range of products , yeh i agree its one huge scam
but i would look at it as more the whole range of products are a scam
rather than singling out flower food

when you take it as the full package. only the veg or bloom is needed to take plants from start to finish

pre-veg seedling food
veg
bloom
bloom booster
root stimulants
foliar spray
bio pak
bio plus
enzymes

quite a few companies are coming out with foliar sprays and pre veg foods
or seedling foods, using the fear noobs have of burning plants when they are young to sell it
they market this seedling food as "delicate to young seedlings" lol

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Lol I use grow and bloom
cost about £70 for 1 bottle of each + soil for 4 crops ( 1x 600whps and 4 plants )

Thats about £20 a crop for nutes and soil

jacksthc said:

Lol I use grow and bloom
cost about £70 for 1 bottle of each + soil for 4 crops ( 1x 600whps and 4 plants )

Thats about £20 a crop for nutes and soil

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thats cheap i spend more than that on rockwool
i normally buy the 10 liter size for £50 it lasts for 3 or so crops
it works out half price that way than buying it per liter

chuck estevez said:

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Perhaps pictures will sink in.

Well done!