skunkd0c
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They cost the same, you could use veg or bloom all the way though the grow or both
this will still cost the same
do you mean boosters like pk 13/14 etc ?
rather than bloom nutes
giving defoliation during flower a try
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this will still cost the same
do you mean boosters like pk 13/14 etc ?
rather than bloom nutes
churchhaze
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Why does the advanced growing section look so much like the general growing section?
I'm with Jbone on this one (is he still here?). No offense, but issues like topping, whether to flush or not, whether to defoliate, etc, are not advanced techniques, they are basic!
An advanced technique is trying something that's not conventional, like experimenting with hormones, trying to pinpoint sensors/pigments, making mutant strains to test whether various responses are genetic or indirect.
Does UV-B really work to produce more THC? What about UV-A? Do they do anything to the plant at all? What about 730nm? 660nm? etc etc. In general, these unconventional "techniques" are often more theoretical and not yet tested by the majority of the community.
Whatever though, there's no way I'm going to win this battle.
My take on defoliation: If it's not helping, you're not defoliating enough! It's all or nothing with those pesky leaves. (for those who don't notice my sarcasm, this part is a joke)
I'm with Jbone on this one (is he still here?). No offense, but issues like topping, whether to flush or not, whether to defoliate, etc, are not advanced techniques, they are basic!
An advanced technique is trying something that's not conventional, like experimenting with hormones, trying to pinpoint sensors/pigments, making mutant strains to test whether various responses are genetic or indirect.
Does UV-B really work to produce more THC? What about UV-A? Do they do anything to the plant at all? What about 730nm? 660nm? etc etc. In general, these unconventional "techniques" are often more theoretical and not yet tested by the majority of the community.
Whatever though, there's no way I'm going to win this battle.
My take on defoliation: If it's not helping, you're not defoliating enough! It's all or nothing with those pesky leaves. (for those who don't notice my sarcasm, this part is a joke)
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Here's a pic from a dude that did a side by side on another forum. The 3 plants on the left were grown naturally, and the 3 plants on the right were defoliated. The natural plants grew almost twice as much bud weight than the defoliated plants.
Note that the defoliated plants ALL have SMALLER lower buds, despite the fact that the plants were defoliated to "provide more light to lower buds and increase bud size and growth". If bud development was dependent on light hitting the bud sites, than the natural plants should have smaller lower buds, however, they are CLEARLY larger, despite being covered by fan leaves.
This photo clearly shows that the defoliation of 3 plants REDUCED lower bud development compared to 3 naturally grown plants, and therefore, is NOT an effective technique to increase either yield OR lower bud size.
Fan leaves are there to serve the plant and the buds, and their removal WILL have a negative impact on your plant. Period.
Best of luck, regardless.
Note that the defoliated plants ALL have SMALLER lower buds, despite the fact that the plants were defoliated to "provide more light to lower buds and increase bud size and growth". If bud development was dependent on light hitting the bud sites, than the natural plants should have smaller lower buds, however, they are CLEARLY larger, despite being covered by fan leaves.
This photo clearly shows that the defoliation of 3 plants REDUCED lower bud development compared to 3 naturally grown plants, and therefore, is NOT an effective technique to increase either yield OR lower bud size.
Fan leaves are there to serve the plant and the buds, and their removal WILL have a negative impact on your plant. Period.
Best of luck, regardless.
bigworm6969
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yo bro whats that strain looks like sum killcheck this out UB
I have been trimming leaves to keep the canopy level and full
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The six plants in late flower
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3 of the plants with the fan leaves removed, just before harvest
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and a good size bud in my hand
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so this is why I cut and remove fan leaves at times in veg and early flower
jacksthc
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Cannabis flowers are not capable of photosynthesis.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/[/QUOTE]
so a canopy full of good size buds is the way to go imo, but if you want to compair what I pulled from a single plant that I lst, top and removed leaves from, its going make even that plant look small
look at your plant, was it grown out side as I haven't seen anyone grow buds that long and thick under hps
I had to change the canopy shape a little but some of the buds where 10" thich at the thickes point
just one question after reading the book you follow based on sci and fact, do you now agree that removing some fan leaves to increase airflow is a way to increase yield ?
https://www.rollitup.org/t/no-lower-budsites-do-not-need-light-to-develop-get-educated.829061/[/QUOTE]
Lol the reason I grow lots of smaller buds is simple, a full scrog is the most affect way of trainning your plants to pull the largest yeild
so a canopy full of good size buds is the way to go imo, but if you want to compair what I pulled from a single plant that I lst, top and removed leaves from, its going make even that plant look small
look at your plant, was it grown out side as I haven't seen anyone grow buds that long and thick under hps
I had to change the canopy shape a little but some of the buds where 10" thich at the thickes point
just one question after reading the book you follow based on sci and fact, do you now agree that removing some fan leaves to increase airflow is a way to increase yield ?
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Uncle Ben
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Not for me. I'm a simple man, wouldn't ever consider SCROG.
Positronics Jack Herer grown under a regular 250 HPS from start to finish.
No. I have never had an airflow problem, one that induces fungus pressures probably because of my indoors method of growing which was simple and radically different than The Herd. Never a PM issue although I did have some bud rot on my avatar's cola. That was the weirdest most incredible plant I've ever grown. The main cola produced so many calyxes that it literally imploded on itself. IOW, once the girth was reached it kept on producing from the center of the cola out....bud within bud. That was old genetics, don't know if I still have a backcross of that one.
UB
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
Of course
PetFlora
Well-Known Member
That MAY be true for soil but in hydro where I feed every 45 minutes I get good results partially defol'ing, which allows more light to the budsHere's a pic from a dude that did a side by side on another forum. The 3 plants on the left were grown naturally, and the 3 plants on the right were defoliated. The natural plants grew almost twice as much bud weight than the defoliated plants.
Note that the defoliated plants ALL have SMALLER lower buds, despite the fact that the plants were defoliated to "provide more light to lower buds and increase bud size and growth". If bud development was dependent on light hitting the bud sites, than the natural plants should have smaller lower buds, however, they are CLEARLY larger, despite being covered by fan leaves.
This photo clearly shows that the defoliation of 3 plants REDUCED lower bud development compared to 3 naturally grown plants, and therefore, is NOT an effective technique to increase either yield OR lower bud size.
Fan leaves are there to serve the plant and the buds, and their removal WILL have a negative impact on your plant. Period.
Best of luck, regardless.
Uncle Ben
Well-Known Member
More light to the buds, eh? Please articulate why cannabis needs light at the buds. I want science as in photosynthesis or hormonal processes going on, not RIU broscience, hearsay, or feelings.
Thanks
jacksthc
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ok that's your choice but SCROG is a great way to pull a large crop with any light and for anyone with height problems.
its one of the most poplar ways to train a plant
Jack herer is a sativas Hybrid and you only grow sativa strains but tell growers how to top indica strains (sound a little odd)
so you grow sativas - quality over quantity "Yield? 4 - 10+ oz dried bud per plant. Depends on the genetics. I love sativas - quality over quantity" (your words)
and you grow a few sativa Hybrid plants (jack herer) (remeber quality over quantity) under a 250w hps from start to finsh and pull what 12 oz's ?
based on the main shoot being 6" thick the main shoot must have been 3-4ft long
( removed you picture UB)
you grow sativa strains and by the sound of it don't grow indica strains so your not going to need to remove any fan leaves in flower
This all sound a bit strange to me, anyone else growing buds this size under a 250hps and pulling over 10oz's
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First, you're getting good results because the cannabis plant is VERY resilient and will produce flowers under a wide variety of conditions, be they optimal or not.
Second, regardless of a soil grow, or hydro, bud sites don't require light to grow flowers, and the picture I posted proves that fact. IF exposing bud sites to light through defoliation was beneficial to the plant, then at least ONE of the 3 defoliated plants in that photo would have produced larger lower buds than the naturally grown plants, but they didn't. Not a single one of them produced larger lower buds, and they ALL grew LESS bud than their naturally grown counterparts.
Defoliating your plant will REDUCE your bud production. Period.
Best of luck, regardless.
Sativied
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It's about company X wanting your money by offering a specific veg 'and' bloom formula that company Y, where you normally would buy your all purpose basic no-nonsense nutrients, does not offer. Same thing goes for PK13/14 regardless of the cost (canna 'invented' it, others needed to create something similar to prevent losing customers).
What did I tell you about posting your skinny lanky mutilated plants as good examples of anything?
And again you accompany it with utter bullshit.
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Uncle Ben
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That it is my plant AND my photo of my Peak19. WTF are you doing, and where did you rip it from?
I hate theives and I hate posers. You best get your ass outta here.
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racerboy71
bud bootlegger
yes, my buddy mindmelted pulled over a pound under one 250 watt'er and a few cfl's.. has a grow journal up on here for it some where another..
bigworm6969
Well-Known Member
heres my jilly i plucked fans off it to, now i dont take all the fans just the ones blocking light
bigworm6969
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Lol the reason I grow lots of smaller buds is simple, a full scrog is the most affect way of trainning your plants to pull the largest yeild
so a canopy full of good size buds is the way to go imo, but if you want to compair what I pulled from a single plant that I lst, top and removed leaves from, its going make even that plant look small
look at your plant, was it grown out side as I haven't seen anyone grow buds that long and thick under hps
I had to change the canopy shape a little but some of the buds where 10" thich at the thickes point
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just one question after reading the book you follow based on sci and fact, do you now agree that removing some fan leaves to increase airflow is a way to increase yield ?[/QUOTE]hey u and i are both proof that it works from our own grows so lets forget about tring to convince the mass it will be our secret some people dont want to try new stuff, like the saying goes if it ant broke dont fix well i like to try to better myself everyway possible espiesially with my grows im always looking for new way to grow dank, i know for me the fans leafs i cut donesnt have any ill affect on my plants and my buds are great i dont know if there bigger but there usually always a good sizes and the pic with the 6 plants the 3 untopped to me dont look all the better then the other 3 u said double i dont see it there are lots of factors that come into play hopefully they where all the same clones and what not to be a good expiement , with all the different strains out there its hard to tell what the plant will do, u guys just will have to try it out your self and see what happenes who knows may have a new tech on growing mj, i do have to say this i love marijuana every part about it and im glad i can be on this chat with u guys and learn all about learning and debateing and not fighting and argueing hahaha love u guys be good
bigworm6969
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i tell you what i got 3 untouched ter in my room and i wont touch them everything else has already had its haircut, after harvest i will update my finding to this thread and i promise i wont lie or rip pics anyway who does that kind of stuff pretty sad if u ask me, i do know this from me chopping fans on the rest of my room the ter are not the best ones my qrazytrain and mk ultra are beasting it
jacksthc
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on the link you put up on this thread to show us how lower bud sites don't need direct light to grow and I was trying to find out if the is the bud shoot where its 6" across so everyone could see what we are talking about
I said its your plant, its even named ub plant
sorry if I upset you
PetFlora
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I could have elaborated.
More light to the leafs near the buds to fuel development
If you look at the pics in my Multispectrum thread, I use a Cube (quasi- scrog) to open up the middle and get more light below ~ 12". The BML actually throws fairly strong light ~ 18" deep
Uncle Ben
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Sorry! Totally misunderstood you. Am a little gunshy as I've had quite a few people lift my text and photos and pass it off as their own. For example- http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-medical-marijuana-growing/215941-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-enhance-flowering.html