Gay wedding cakes and the bigots who won't bake them.

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twostrokenut

twostrokenut

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Is any one else not proud to live in a country where the worst thing that happens to gays is they don't(very unlikely) get a cake from certain vendors?

Goddam I know that shit in not ideal, and if I were a baker I would bake up gay cakes quicker than shit but is there anywhere more gay friendly than the US in general?
 
OddBall1st

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UncleBuck said:
well, if you ignore the hate crimes against them, the fact they have no workplace rights in half the nation, no civil rights in most of the nation, unequal access to protection of the law, and so much more, then you might have a point.

fucking dumbass.

now make some snide remarks about liberation theology while deriding civil rights as "not a good idea".
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Do the math Buck. Hate crimes, no workplace Rights, no Civil Rights, unequal protection and so much more means ....ready ? ....Not welcome. No?
 
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BigNBushy

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greentrip said:
I agree

I disagree

In one sense, all sins are equal in that they all separate us from God. The Bible’s statement, “For the wages of sin is death …” (Romans 6:23), applies to all sin, whether in thought, word, or deed. In the Old Testament, God applied different penalties to different sins, suggesting variations in the seriousness of some sins.

At the same time, it seems obvious that some sins are worse than others in both motivation and effects, and should be judged accordingly. Stealing a loaf of bread is vastly different than exterminating a million people.

When Jesus spoke of his second coming and judgment, he warned that among those deserving punishment some would “be beaten with many blows” and others “with few blows” (Luke 12:47-48). He also reserved His most fierce denunciations for the pride and unbelief of the religious leaders, not the sexually immoral (Matthew 23:13-36).

Source- Billy Graham
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I'm going to give you some credit here by saying this; I spoke to broadly, obviously "all Christians agree" is way too vast a phrase to encumpase much. There is a lot of variation in Christianity.

However, I like how you, in your research to make a counterpoint to me essentially disprove your first points in this thread. You seem to have liked Mr. Graham's saying that those who abuse clergy are worse than those who are sexually immoral.

As to your other points, about killing multiple people worse than stealing a loaf of bread, why, yes, to our civilization and society, murder is worse than stealing bread. From what I've heard, and this ranges from Greek Orthadox to Roman Catholic, to Methodist and Church of God, a sin is a sin is a sin in God's eyes. So no, Hitler is no worse as far as God is concerned than any other atheist. Those who have accepted Christ (whom hitler rejected) are a little higher up on the totem pole when compared to atheists and non-believers. However, god loves us all.

Think of it, God is created of the universe, time is meaningless to him as we understand it. God brings us to be with him when we die, so what difference does it make to God if you slit my throat or take my muffin? Events of the Earth are so insignificant to him. It doesn't make sense to me that this can be the case, but it seems to be the accepted theology in western Christianity, and even eastern.

After exploring it a little more, do you still think telling homosexuals to leave your business, that they disgust you and you choose not to serve them is still a Christian thing to do? Or do you think it is motivated by ignorance and hate, rather than a belief in what they think Jesus wants them to do?

Serving a homosexual does not make you a homosexual no more than serving a black person makes you a black person.

Be a Christian, offer your fellow man a kind word and not make him feel inferior.
 
Beefbisquit

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greentrip said:
Leviticus 19:19 is clearly tied to one time and one place, unlike commands relating to (for example) love for God and neighbor, honesty, integrity, and sexual behavior.

These and other prohibitions were designed to forbid the Israelites to engage in fertility cult practices of the Canaanites. The Canaanites believed in sympathetic magic, the idea that symbolic actions can influence the gods and nature…. Mixing animal breeds, seeds, or materials was thought to “marry” them” so as magically to produce “offspring,” that is, agricultural bounty in the future.

When atheists and laugh at this verse and other culture-dependent commands, what they’re really displaying is their ignorance of their own ignorance.
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76 things banned in Leviticus

Here’s chapter and verse on a more-or-less comprehensive list of things banned in the Leviticus book of the bible. A decent number of them are punishable by death.
1. Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)
2. Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)
3. Eating fat (3:17)
4. Eating blood (3:17)
5. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve witnessed (5:1)
6. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve been told about (5:1)
7. Touching an unclean animal (5:2)
8. Carelessly making an oath (5:4)
9. Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)
10. Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)
11. Bringing unauthorised fire before God (10:1)
12. Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)
13. Tearing your clothes (10:6)
14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (10:9)
15. Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (11:4-7)
16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (11:8)
17. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)
18. Eating – or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)
19. Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
20. Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (11:27)
21. Eating – or touching the carcass of – the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)
22. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)
23. Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)
24. Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)
25. Having sex with your mother (18:7)
26. Having sex with your father’s wife (18:8)
27. Having sex with your sister (18:9)
28. Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
29. Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
30. Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)
31. Having sex with your uncle’s wife (18:14)
32. Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)
33. Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)
34. Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (18:17)
35. Marrying your wife’s sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
36. Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)
37. Having sex with your neighbour’s wife (18:20)
38. Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)
39. Having sex with a man “as one does with a woman” (18:22)
40. Having sex with an animal (18:23)
41. Making idols or “metal gods” (19:4)
42. Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)
43. Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)
44. Stealing (19:11)
45. Lying (19:11)
46. Swearing falsely on God’s name (19:12)
47. Defrauding your neighbour (19:13)
48. Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (19:13)
49. Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)
50. Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)
51. Spreading slander (19:16)
52. Doing anything to endanger a neighbour’s life (19:16)
53. Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)
54. Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)
55. Cross-breeding animals (19:19)
56. Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)
57. Sleeping with another man’s slave (19:20)
58. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)
59. Practising divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)
60. Trimming your beard (19:27)
61. Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)
62. Getting tattoos (19:28)
63. Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)
64. Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)
65. Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)
66. Mistreating foreigners – “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born” (19:33-34)
67. Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)
68. Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9)
69. Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13)
70. Entering a place where there’s a dead body as a priest (21:11)
71. Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)
72. Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
73. Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)
74. Inflicting an injury; killing someone else’s animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)
75. Selling land permanently (25:23)
76. Selling an Israelite as a slave (25:42)

BTW:
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Translation; "I didn't come to change the mosaic laws, or to change what their prophets have said."

But gays... they're just the worst, right?

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NLXSK1

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BigNBushy said:
I've been hearing on the radio lately, I think from a talk show host named Mark Levine, often lamenting how new laws might force religious people to do things like make a wedding cake for a homosexual couple preparing for marriage.

This has been delived as an attempt to say the religious freedoms of the (pseudo)Christian are being violated if the law forces them to violate their religious beliefs by baking a gay wedding cake.

Horse shit.

As a Christian, nothing offends me more than when fellow Christians use our collective religion as an excuse for their bigotry or ignorance. Not since the crusades has a more bullshit story been attached to Christian philosophy.

The Bible says do unto others as you would have done unto you, Jesus said how you treat the least of these is how the father will treat you, and he says that the first amongst us without sin may cast the first stone.

He says a lot of other shit that makes these people look like the charlatan assholes they are.

The only thing the Bible says about homosexuality is that it is a sin, it goes on to say we are all sinners, and that a great many things are sins. Jesus goes on to say that we should have love for sinners.

So do we have any pseudo-Christians out there that are willing to challenge this?
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It isnt about Christians and the Christian religion or Muslims or anything else. It is about the government forcing people to do things they have a problem with. The first amendment provides for the freedom of association. I assume the freedom of dissasociation is also a right although not enumerated. The government has decided that if a person is of a protected class as defined by the government they now have rights above and beyond the citizens of a non-protected class. We no longer have equal protection under the law.

A guy doesnt want to bake a cake for 2 lesbians and instead of going somewhere else they drag his ass all the way to the supreme court and we have idiots wondering what the problem is...

It is the intolerance of gays regarding the respecting of other people's religion obviously...
 
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schuylaar

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Beefbisquit said:
76 things banned in Leviticus

Here’s chapter and verse on a more-or-less comprehensive list of things banned in the Leviticus book of the bible. A decent number of them are punishable by death.
1. Burning any yeast or honey in offerings to God (2:11)
2. Failing to include salt in offerings to God (2:13)
3. Eating fat (3:17)
4. Eating blood (3:17)
5. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve witnessed (5:1)
6. Failing to testify against any wrongdoing you’ve been told about (5:1)
7. Touching an unclean animal (5:2)
8. Carelessly making an oath (5:4)
9. Deceiving a neighbour about something trusted to them (6:2)
10. Finding lost property and lying about it (6:3)
11. Bringing unauthorised fire before God (10:1)
12. Letting your hair become unkempt (10:6)
13. Tearing your clothes (10:6)
14. Drinking alcohol in holy places (10:9)
15. Eating an animal which doesn’t both chew cud and has a divided hoof (11:4-7)
16. Touching the carcass of any of the above (11:8)
17. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any seafood without fins or scales (11:10-12)
18. Eating – or touching the carcass of - eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, the red kite, any kind of black kite, any kind of raven, the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, the little owl, the cormorant, the great owl, the white owl, the desert owl, the osprey, the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat. (11:13-19)
19. Eating – or touching the carcass of – flying insects with four legs, unless those legs are jointed (11:20-22)
20. Eating any animal which walks on all four and has paws (11:27)
21. Eating – or touching the carcass of – the weasel, the rat, any kind of great lizard, the gecko, the monitor lizard, the wall lizard, the skink and the chameleon (11:29)
22. Eating – or touching the carcass of – any creature which crawls on many legs, or its belly (11:41-42)
23. Going to church within 33 days after giving birth to a boy (12:4)
24. Going to church within 66 days after giving birth to a girl (12:5)
25. Having sex with your mother (18:7)
26. Having sex with your father’s wife (18:8)
27. Having sex with your sister (18:9)
28. Having sex with your granddaughter (18:10)
29. Having sex with your half-sister (18:11)
30. Having sex with your biological aunt (18:12-13)
31. Having sex with your uncle’s wife (18:14)
32. Having sex with your daughter-in-law (18:15)
33. Having sex with your sister-in-law (18:16)
34. Having sex with a woman and also having sex with her daughter or granddaughter (18:17)
35. Marrying your wife’s sister while your wife still lives (18:18)
36. Having sex with a woman during her period (18:19)
37. Having sex with your neighbour’s wife (18:20)
38. Giving your children to be sacrificed to Molek (18:21)
39. Having sex with a man “as one does with a woman” (18:22)
40. Having sex with an animal (18:23)
41. Making idols or “metal gods” (19:4)
42. Reaping to the very edges of a field (19:9)
43. Picking up grapes that have fallen in your vineyard (19:10)
44. Stealing (19:11)
45. Lying (19:11)
46. Swearing falsely on God’s name (19:12)
47. Defrauding your neighbour (19:13)
48. Holding back the wages of an employee overnight (19:13)
49. Cursing the deaf or abusing the blind (19:14)
50. Perverting justice, showing partiality to either the poor or the rich (19:15)
51. Spreading slander (19:16)
52. Doing anything to endanger a neighbour’s life (19:16)
53. Seeking revenge or bearing a grudge (19:18)
54. Mixing fabrics in clothing (19:19)
55. Cross-breeding animals (19:19)
56. Planting different seeds in the same field (19:19)
57. Sleeping with another man’s slave (19:20)
58. Eating fruit from a tree within four years of planting it (19:23)
59. Practising divination or seeking omens (tut, tut astrology) (19:26)
60. Trimming your beard (19:27)
61. Cutting your hair at the sides (19:27)
62. Getting tattoos (19:28)
63. Making your daughter prostitute herself (19:29)
64. Turning to mediums or spiritualists (19:31)
65. Not standing in the presence of the elderly (19:32)
66. Mistreating foreigners – “the foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born” (19:33-34)
67. Using dishonest weights and scales (19:35-36)
68. Cursing your father or mother (punishable by death) (20:9)
69. Marrying a prostitute, divorcee or widow if you are a priest (21:7,13)
70. Entering a place where there’s a dead body as a priest (21:11)
71. Slaughtering a cow/sheep and its young on the same day (22:28)
72. Working on the Sabbath (23:3)
73. Blasphemy (punishable by stoning to death) (24:14)
74. Inflicting an injury; killing someone else’s animal; killing a person must be punished in kind (24:17-22)
75. Selling land permanently (25:23)
76. Selling an Israelite as a slave (25:42)

BTW:
Matthew 5:17
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

Translation; "I didn't come to change the mosaic laws, or to change what their prophets have said."

But gays... they're just the worst, right?

LOL
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yeaaaaaaaah, i'm good with all this..but what's this about not eating fat?
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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schuylaar said:
yeaaaaaaaah, i'm good with all this..but what's this about not eating fat?
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New International Version
"'This is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come, wherever you live: You must not eat any fat or any blood.'"

New Living Translation
"You must never eat any fat or blood. This is a permanent law for you, and it must be observed from generation to generation, wherever you live."

English Standard Version
It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.”

New American Standard Bible
'It is a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings: you shall not eat any fat or any blood.'"

King James Bible
It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
This is a permanent statute throughout your generations, wherever you live: you must not eat any fat or any blood."

International Standard Version
"This is to be a lasting statute for all your generations, wherever you live. You are not to eat any fat or blood."

NET Bible
This is a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all the places where you live: You must never eat any fat or any blood.'"

GOD'S WORD® Translation
This is a permanent law for generations to come wherever you live: Never eat any fat or blood."

Jubilee Bible 2000
It shall be a perpetual statute for your ages; throughout all your dwellings that ye shall eat no fat and no blood.

King James 2000 Bible
It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that you eat neither fat nor blood.

American King James Version
It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that you eat neither fat nor blood.

American Standard Version
It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings, that ye shall eat neither fat nor blood.

Douay-Rheims Bible
By a perpetual law for your generations, and in all your habitations: neither blood nor fat shall you eat at all.

Darby Bible Translation
[It is] an everlasting statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings: no fat and no blood shall ye eat.

English Revised Version
It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings, that ye shall eat neither fat nor blood.

Webster's Bible Translation
It shall be a perpetual statute for your generations throughout all your dwellings, that ye eat neither fat nor blood.

World English Bible
"'It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations in all your dwellings, that you shall eat neither fat nor blood.'"

Young's Literal Translation
'A statute age-during to your generations in all your dwellings: any fat or any blood ye do not eat.'


YE SHALL EAT NO FAT. lol

Not to be confused with the 'no fatties rule' or 'smoking fatties'....
 
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greentrip

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BigNBushy said:
I'm going to give you some credit here by saying this; I spoke to broadly, obviously "all Christians agree" is way too vast a phrase to encumpase much. There is a lot of variation in Christianity.

However, I like how you, in your research to make a counterpoint to me essentially disprove your first points in this thread. You seem to have liked Mr. Graham's saying that those who abuse clergy are worse than those who are sexually immoral.
My first point was that the bible says much more about homosexuality than you stated. It still does.

As to your other points, about killing multiple people worse than stealing a loaf of bread, why, yes, to our civilization and society, murder is worse than stealing bread. From what I've heard, and this ranges from Greek Orthadox to Roman Catholic, to Methodist and Church of God, a sin is a sin is a sin in God's eyes. I disagree and suggest you read the bible a bit more. All sins are not equal. So no, Hitler is no worse as far as God is concerned than any other atheist. Those who have accepted Christ (whom hitler rejected) are a little higher up on the totem pole when compared to atheists and non-believers. However, god loves us all.

Think of it, God is created of the universe, time is meaningless to him as we understand it. God brings us to be with him when we die, so what difference does it make to God if you slit my throat or take my muffin? Events of the Earth are so insignificant to him. It doesn't make sense to me that this can be the case, but it seems to be the accepted theology in western Christianity, and even eastern.

After exploring it a little more, do you still think telling homosexuals to leave your business, that they disgust you and you choose not to serve them is still a Christian thing to do? ... Who are you kidding I never said this. Not very Christian of you I must say. Or do you think it is motivated by ignorance and hate, rather than a belief in what they think Jesus wants them to do? Pleas dont

Serving a homosexual does not make you a homosexual no more than serving a black person makes you a black person.

Be a Christian, offer your fellow man a kind word and not make him feel inferior.
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Serving gays is fine. However the level of intolerance and bigotry has risen to such high levels in the gay
community that many would insist on a Christians Muslims etc.. participating in there deviance.
Example a wedding photographer or minister being forced to take part in something against there belief.
 
Silky Shagsalot

Silky Shagsalot

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you know, if gay folks didn't try and shove it down others throats, (bad choice of words, lol.) gay pride parades and such. have you ever seen one?? it's quite entertaining, yet vulgar/repulsive...
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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Silky Shagsalot said:
you know, if gay folks didn't try and shove it down others throats, (bad choice of words, lol.) gay pride parades and such. have you ever seen one?? it's quite entertaining, yet vulgar/repulsive...
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When people shame you, and treat you like less of a human, you tend to take offense and often rebel.

Gay pride parades were a rebellion against oppression. If oppression didn't exist for gay people, neither would the pride parades.
 
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greentrip

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Wow I learned in 3rd grade that if somebody else does something wrong it doesn't mean I have an
excuse to. It seems like gays now think they should have special entitlements not afforded to others.



If oppression didn't exist for gay people, neither would the pride parades.
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- I call Bullshit
 
Beefbisquit

Beefbisquit

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greentrip said:
Wow I learned in 3rd grade that if somebody else does something wrong it doesn't mean I have an
excuse to. It seems like gays now think they should have special entitlements not afforded to others.
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And what would those privileges be? Throwing a parade? Wanting to have their marriages recognized?

There are lots of parades.... they just happen to do things that make some people uncomfortable. Seeing gymnasts in spandex throwing batons, doing the splits, etc., is fine, but a gay dude in a spandex suit kissing another man is 'disgusting'. Just because something makes you uncomfortable doesn't mean you can outlaw it.

You may have graduated from 3rd grade, but you still have the same mentality.
 
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greentrip

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Beefbisquit said:
Based on what? Your expert opinion? lol
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Based on reality just take a look on how they parade around naked in San Francisco.
they are certainly not discriminated against there in fact they probably have more rights than non gays.
Many members of the gay community thrive on intolerance and like to flaunt there deviance.
 
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