Gastanker's 600+w Organic UV Grow

they are in the correct stage of deveopment but under an MH with same dist. leaf size would probably be double that., but i dont care they look good and its cheap(well cheaper) so fuck it add cfls when its counts, in flower, but then again i kinda agree with you for the sake of the info that could be gained you probably should see what they can do by themselves

Yeah, we'll have to see. And even DIY cheapo cheapo style it's fairly expensive - $180 can get you a 600w HID now a days. But it's a fun project and I've managed to store up a bit of a surplus for myself so if all of this fails I'll still be good off med wise. And the HIDs will be running as soon as the weather permits regardless of how well the LEDs fair. I'm not abandoning my big lights for anything (except perhaps the sun) for quite a while.

hell yeah the thro some CFL in there personally i would use reptisun or exterra(i think these will be the only cfl i would buy for growing anymore)

but i know how not being able to run the HID feels, i have my MH and MV hours cut back to 6 hours and the co2 turned off and the fans on, til summer is over.

Had same problem last grow ghetto grow got ac on craig's list and perfect 77 degree's even when it's 99 here three day's last week new cost 99.00 new got for 50.00 IView attachment 2228279View attachment 2228285 want my big light!! jack

bet i get hot in the basemen tho and becareful about the humidity running the backside of the AC indoors like that, thats my issue is here is no way to get AC where my tent is without doing what you did, and it just wouldnt work in mysetup due to discretion and simply im not spending the cash on elec for my AC. ive gone in the hole, damn near, with big grows and AC during the summer

Yeah... I have a portable AC as well as a 24,000 BTU window unit I got from a garage sale for $40 - beast of a thing. Unfortunately my HIDs are in the attic which is ~130 during the summer days. The 24,000 BTU ac unit would cool it but there's no way I'm paying the electricity bill for that.

wow craziness. so happy to be where my basement stays around 73 tops when outside is near 100. cant imagine having to ac my grow room...i mean i CAN but lol...thats a lot o weeds!

Gas>>>I tryed an attic grow a couple of year's ago....stained the ceiling in my living room froom water leak...and the heat stressed my plant's so bad yield was less than 4 oz's per plant hardly worth the time! I know how hard that must be! Never seen an ac that big!! my 5000 btu baby is cost effective due to light useage of power! any chance you could go down instead like i had to? makes you life much easier! wishing you the best! jack

Poly>>>yeath it's a bit hot by my washer and dryer but I spend no time there it's on auto...cost is reasonable and my humidity in grow room is a constant 35% rh..certainly no issue my power bill changed 48.00 since I started flower room (vege room hardly showed up on bill!)so for three month's 12/12 (Sativa) cost is 144.00 big deal...Had to put AC in this way for discretion...or would have put in window in flower room!... you are right when I was working with the clone's about an hour..it got hot 85Deg ambient but 95 in cellar with no vent's in window's open (odor controll have charcoal filter and ona..) Also have ozonizer when necessary! and as for going in the hole this is so small and cost so litle $255.00 for everything including nute's (found disalusioned "grower" who burnt all her plant's and just wanted them gone fox farm whole line!) along with cooltube she never tryed...so for $255.00 and 150.00 have exactly 2.3lb's in jar's good deal to me..and the clone's are in now will not yield as much but close..and I have clone's ready for the rotation.....every 8-10 weeks a nice harvest small time but substantial! 62 yo fart jack weigh out the alternative's...cost vs yield..

yeah im running about 2000w right now i know what an AC will do to my bill so i hate them, back when i was doing larger things i think the cost of Ac

was more than the lights sometimes. the way my setup is i would have to have the AC the same way but it wouldnt be as discreet as it is now. im pretty happy without the AC but i try to avoid them as much as possible. yeah you will probably have to vent out your basement somehow this would lower the RH in the grow room much lower than 35% thats pretty high for having an AC on, shouldnt be able to read any RH if its working propery, my RH is almost always under 20% even without AC but when my CO2 is on i have to run my Dehu which i think was part of the heat problem too. i would run a portable dual hose AC(or convert a single hose to a dual hose) and run that since that dont quite have the power of a window units so i imagine the heat vented outside would be more or less equal to the dehu. but that would only be if i could find a deal on a portable one.

Poly>>never thought about a dehumidifier! I'm small time with only a broom closet grow but don't know your location but here in mass it climb's in the summer to 70%+rh and never reaches 20%rh...never had mold or fungus use sns217 and never had any issue's even with the rock solid bud's from the LSD..my room is not tottaly sealed and with the Co2 and three cfl's (UVB reptile lamp's for resin) it run's 88 degre's without ac after an hour or so...I just set it at 77 and it cycle's (recirculating air in grow!) to keep it perfect with the Co2. when I moved indoor's I just expected to use ac to controll heat stress using a energy efficiency ratio of 9.7 for ac cut the cost in half. without ac would only be able to grow winter time when cellar temp ambient is 45 degree's just enough to keep my pipe's from freeezing! then would need heater for dark and maybe light period's! would cost more....spring summer for cellar grow and attic in winter(don't need heat!) How does the portable unit vent heat? how many BTU"S? and how would you change a single hose..must be the cold side..to a dual so you can direct the heat elsewhere? my grow is 6-plant's 30" start not much..how big is your space? use to grow 2 1/2 acre's in san diego..this is so little...2-3 lb's a grow just enough to make it worthwile! but need 6-7 per year..so rotation! how would you handle that? Have no space plenty of fixtures 600 1000 ect..If I grow a two pounder it take's all the room, if I grow 12-18 oz plantscan grow 2-3, so I setled with 30" tall 6 plant's each and yield (with good genetic's!)35 oz's...same shit no matter why?? Could you get and increse in this space am I missing something? I know your the one to ask! If you have any Idea's would like to improve grow so....Thank's good to talk to a real grower who could but doesn't talk down to small potatoe's!! Thanks jack

well i would be more inclined to answer on my thread, hint hint, but a portable Ac is just like anything else needs to be "modified" or rather polyfied to suit my needs hell if have to i would duct tape a flang on the intake side of AC for the heat coil if i had to.

my set up is 400w MH and 400w HPS in cool tubes, dont know why but the way i have it setup i get a loot of condensation and it helps with the humidity too, 6in fan blows across light since it makes a very short trip though the ducting this save me fan life. 160w Solar glo exoterra MH(cooled by a duct fan blowing across bulb just spreading heat to room) and then x2 26w reptile cfls(for up close and personal/finishing plants) this is in a 3x5x5 area(total tent/room area is 5x7x5.... 5x5 jarden sideways) then i have a 4in fan and filter hanging paralell to the cooltubes on constant scruc that leads into my DIY tent(its all inside the tent) which is 2x4x4 and has a 6bulb t5 cooled by fan/filter from by the lights in flower. an oscilating fan in ea. area hanging and an aero cloner 2 gal bucket in the 2x4x4.

i can fit 32 plants in 1gal pots in flower, no veg time, i can fit double that in veg in 4x4 pots. its just about turn around no veg time and small pot with very well aerated soil, and a drip sytem to water daily. with my cycle, doing very well i could pull tons but recently i have been having cloning problems (fucking heat problem i let it get out of control and killed a lot of babys) so i have been popping seed and flowering some big ass plants.


what does leave me with oh yeah a 3x4 space to sit which is mostly consumed by a shelf a 5gal bucket and a dehu.

i have very complicated timing schedule and my bill is about 100$ if i have everything running at full go.(12cent a kwh)


dont know its just about the turn around, when in peak condition i can clone and flower within 2 1/2 months and yeild about 2-3oz per plant.

I can take the hint my brother...will see you on your thread! Than's jack

i KNOW i dont mind, pretty sure gas doesnt either, but this info is excellent! thanks guys. if yalls have the time to check out SMALL TIMERS check out my journal for me...

gas i say stick with just the LED to see what can happen!

Where you from my brother my basement grow here in mass..about 100 here three day's and my plant's stayed at 77 degree's w/AC!! ambient temp in cellar is avg 80 degre's day and with light's and fan's ect..grow stay's without ac about90 degree's had problem's past but no more and only added small change to power bill! keep's Co2 in and help's circulation with oscillating and 10" square fan under canopy! plant's are happy now and yield increased!

im a few hours north of ya jack...idk what it is, it was near 100 here too but the basement stayed well below 80. didnt have any grow going on yet, and i think im too small time to have my equipment make a real difference in my basement. my basement is also pretty huge and dry so...

i dont run C02 either, think because im so small time it wouldnt really make a huge diff, at least thats what im hearing people say. although i DO do C02 in my even smaller aquariums and it REALLY helps...hmm...

JUST HAD AN IDEA. so does anyone run C02 directly into a hyrdro res? i bet that could really blast off some ladies...

All good info.

Regarding the CO2 in your res - I would worry about acidifying your res. I was always taught that it's a bit fruitless to supplement roots with CO2 but according to this paper there are some benefits:

[h=2]Abstract[/h] The uptake of C[SUP]14[/SUP]O[SUB]2[/SUB] by the roots of intact tomato plants from solution containing Na[SUB]2[/SUB]C[SUP]14[/SUP]O[SUB]3[/SUB] was studied at different light intensities as well as in darkness.Where plants had previously been starved for CO[SUB]2[/SUB] for 12 hours, a higher rate of C[SUP]14[/SUP] uptake was observed than with plants which had been transferred directly from the soil to the radioactive solution.

In general, the C[SUP]14[/SUP] content of the roots was slightly higher than that of the shoots. At light intensities under the compensation point and in darkness the C[SUP]14[/SUP] content of the shoots relative to the roots decreased. This was accompanied by release of C[SUP]14[/SUP]O[SUB]2[/SUB] during respiration, indicating that the absorbed C[SUP]14[/SUP] was readily translocated upwards and released as C[SUP]14[/SUP]O[SUB]2[/SUB] under these conditions. At light intensities above the compensation point no C[SUP]14[/SUP]O[SUB]2[/SUB] was released.

MON>>>Co2 uptake by root's is small, in comparison to O2 oxygen. Co2 is mostly used by the leave's to photosynthisize, taken in by the stomata, Co2 is for us small timeer's!!Co2 Boost bucket's do the job!! I ghetto grow 4X4 square space..1000 watt HPS and three 26 watt cfl's (UVB REPTILE LAMPS FOR RESIN!) 1st grow this space without Co2 yielded only 10 oz's per plant with six plant rotation..now with Co2 boost bucket's I yield 16-22 oz's per 48" plant's..worth the 100.00 bill I'm jellous of your basement mine is tiney washer+dryer boiler and small space! so my vege cabinet is 4 feet long by four feet high by two feet deep w/ 14T5's+2-200watt cfl's. under my work bench! and flower room right next to it with Co2 boost bucket's one at a time...only need after 2nd week of flower but I run In both cheap ass grow but certainly make's the yield!

Hey gas just stopping in to say whats up, hope all is going well with your grow. I havent been on much lately but i still have a few girls going outside right now. 3 blue cheese clones in a 10 gal tote (all together) a blueberry gum trying to reveg (hoping it starts soon as the daylight hours are getting shorter now) NLxBB in the ground, veno poison in a 10 gal grow bag and a OG kush in a 10 gal grow bag.

the OG and veno are almost as tall as me now, not sure what the NLxBB looks like havent checked on it in weeks. the Blueberry gum is pretty small as i chopped all smokeable buds off and left enough to re veg and the blue cheese clones are starting to take off now, went from 6' to 1" in about a week, we havent had shit for sun lately over here so im hoping we get some good sunny days and these ladies can take off good.

hope all is well man
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I guess I should probably mention that I have another thread going for the LEDs in the LED section. I'll post picture updates both places but some of the more LED oriented stuff isn't double posted. https://www.rollitup.org/led-other-lighting/538173-cheapo-diy-chinese-led-grow-2.html#post7639338