get used to a sagging economy and lost jobs.
the rich will continue to hoard wealth while the majority of the country suffers.....
Fucking Bastards
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the rich will continue to hoard wealth while the majority of the country suffers.....
Chad Sexington
Active Member
You're right, union's have never been responsible for companies moving overseas, the board/ceo/shareholders are. I beg to differ, I think they are more productive than a minimum wage worker. Would you be working your hardest for 10 dollars an hour? I sure as heck would not.
woodsusa
Well-Known Member
Your reply made sense so of course it was ignored. Most of the manufacturing jobs lost in this country were not union to begin with. Don't blame the union workers, do blame the union leadership for not reacting sooner to inevitable changes.
newatit2010
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Well when trumka has the unions of the WORLD unite which way do you see your pay check up or down? Yea the unions don't break companies they just move overseas for the cheaper labor(cause they made money and the unions think it belongs to them) Just now they reported that 4.8 million people have moved out of union only states. I wonder why? I still don't think the federal government has the right to tell Boeing they can't move to SC.
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
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Growing up my stepfather worked for a Union company that was around for like 100 years in NY,,,He was only making like 20+ an hour for over 35 years of work, They decided to move to Rock Hill SC,,,Guess what they offered to let them move at there own expense and and pay them like Min. wage...come on' that's fucking rotten.
jeff f
New Member
wow, are you ill informed....nice word for stupid. garment, shoes, autos, steel, and about a hundred others. lets just say, the best jobs in the industry at there peak.....all left for cheaper labor. the only unions left are basically 1 afscme (service employees), which are very quickly being replaced by illegals and over seas information/help centers. 2 education, which is slowly being shipped over seas through on line learning and cyber school and home school , and 3 skeleton electrical, plumbing, auto. crews. and guess where they are gonna go? the way of the dinosaur. get used to it, cuz its been happening for 35 years that i know of and it aint going back.
jeff f
New Member
and i will bet the one in sc is probably over seas now.
what the union emplyees cost a company is astronomical. first off, pensions for public sector school employees where i live. they get full health paid for but 100 per month, and that just went up from 60. for retirement the worker gives a dollar up to seven %, school mathces, and state matches. thats right you heard me. every single school district in my state, every single worker gets those benefits. its fucking criminal cuz they arent negotiating with the company, they are negotiating with politicians.....that they donate heavily too. its so fucking underhanded, organized crime type shit.
londonfog
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let me ask you would you work for 2.75 an hour ???? because thats what some get paid overseas... jobs moved overseas for cheap labor..we have laws on this side of the world that stops that kind of shit ..stop defending greedy corps that support that kind of slavery...and you never retorted what I said about Eastern airlines..but really you can't due to what I said was fact...
jeff f
New Member
no i wouldnt, and nobody is asking me too. i work for usually around 15 bucks an hour. someties more sometimes less. i used to work for 30 but i moved to a poorer part of the country.
our laws dont matter.when i can buy a better product for half the price....duh.
i would have to go look it up. i was in the usaf at the time and i paid close attention to it then. but thats been so long ago. i remember the unios had a lot to do iwth it. they were one of many flaws in eastern.
PeachOibleBoiblePeach#1
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Well,,,Chicago Pneumatic...USA,Russia,Brazil,and china I think? Union's suck and so do Non- Union's,,,I would rather be thought of protected, than just Fucked IMO.
londonfog
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well thats somethiing we have in common ..did 22 years USAF retired...word of advice from a business owner now...unless you OWN that company you should never HATE the union....those little 47 dollars dues is nothing to the pay or bennies you would get without it...
jeff f
New Member
20 years one day, beat that
been on both sides of the union thing. made way more money working for myself. but i had way more ambition 15 years ago
You should generalize some more.........
David is not your enemy. The Unions were not responisble for the financial meltdown. They are not responsible for the plummeting average household income (quite the opposite actually).
Unions are not perfect, no one and nothing is perfect but to deamonize them the way most do is completely counter productive.
newatit2010
Well-Known Member
Well it looks like jerry brown in cali wants some more of your tax dollars to save the school union. Don't be shy give till it hurts and then give more. The unions need your money so give. PAY,PAY,PAY odumbass needs reelected, you don't believe the teachers are going to get a fucking dime out of it, DO YOU?
They will need a raise next year to so they can teach your kids socialism. Glad to hear that it is not the unions that are hurting the states
just the big companies.
They will need a raise next year to so they can teach your kids socialism. Glad to hear that it is not the unions that are hurting the states
just the big companies.
RDWC Farmer
Member
Typical union bullshit. One day unions will go the way of the dinosaur and there is no amount of government involvement that can change that. Well unless the democrats make it illegal to not be in a union. They think the government has the power to make you buy health care so who knows why tyrannical bullshit they will try next.
Sadly i agree with you. Dark days are ahead. There will be the few the rich and the many the poor. Yes at this rate a two class system is inevitable.
You are so convinced to fight yourself its frightening. Vote against your own interests, fight to destroy the very social fabric millions of people died to build and protect.
RDWC Farmer
Member
Millions of people have died protecting unions? I thought they were supposed to prevent deaths, well unless you stand against one then they’ll crack your head.
My interest and a union’s are completely different. They don’t have the interest of the working person in mind, the have the union in mind. Many years ago they served a purpose but that ended with the creation of government organizations like OSHA.
My interest and a union’s are completely different. They don’t have the interest of the working person in mind, the have the union in mind. Many years ago they served a purpose but that ended with the creation of government organizations like OSHA.
londonfog
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WOW 3 post and the political...hmmm what name did you change from ...good grief
mame
Well-Known Member
This just doesn't make sense. I mean, unless you'd rather work for lesser wages and benefits unions absolutely work for your interests...
Have you ever tried to negotiate wages on your own? There are instances of limited success but many people who walk up to their boss alone and ask for a raise would sooner end up fired. I actually have an example of this: My girlfriend was expecting a 50 cent raise at her old job about a year ago. Her boss kept on promising this raise to her but never actually gave it to her... Eventually he fired her. He said they didn't have enough hours to go around and that he was cutting other peoples hours and may have to let another person loose... What really happened though, was two weeks later he hired another worker and never cut anyones hours (we have friends that still work there). The difference between my girlfriend and the new worker? Well, obviously the new worker was cheaper... minimum wage is $8.50 here and she was making $10. Nice bit of savings to be had, I guess.
What do you think happens in a union workplace? Oh yeah, the entire workforce works together to prevent this, sitting down as a whole and bargaining together. How is this a bad thing? Jobs move overseas? Once you consider that most jobs moved overseas are paying even less than what our non-union workers do(due to minimum wage laws) it doesn't make any sense to blame unions for those job losses. Does it? I dont think so.