Foxtailing buds

Hydro4life

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Yes, what if you let them get long and mature, then cut them off, and then let the whole plant continue to put out foxtails, and then let them get long and mature. How long could this go on for?
No different to cutting out pieces of bud off a non foxtailing plant. What would happen if you chopped the top quarter of a cola? The top quarter of that cola wouldn’t grow back unless you revegged.
I would imagine it would only stress the plant out and would have a negative impact on yield.
The foxtails grow like a non foxtailing plant (foxtails still swell up in the last couple of weeks of flower)
 

booms111

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From what I’ve learnt, and this is just my opinion......
it’s genetics but stress can encourage this genetic trait.
Like what Booms said about over doing nitrogen in flower or others say heat stress can trigger foxtailing etc.
Another thing I learnt is that if letting a plant go for too long that is foxtailing will have a higher chance of throwing bananas, which is also a sign of stress.
I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying you want to run about 30% higher N then normal mh/hps grown plants going into flower and through first few weeks when using LED. This makes it so dont need to run such high temps that cause foxtailing. Took me 2 yrs of messing around in my tester areas that are both Quantum areas to figure out exactly how to use them. I tried high temps which caused foxtailing and loss in quality. My main room with combo of hps and qb's runs at 80f average and I never see foxtailing but I feed them like I have always for hps which the room mainly runs.
 

Hydro4life

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I think you misunderstood me. I'm saying you want to run about 30% higher N then normal mh/hps grown plants going into flower and through first few weeks when using LED. This makes it so dont need to run such high temps that cause foxtailing. Took me 2 yrs of messing around in my tester areas that are both Quantum areas to figure out exactly how to use them. I tried high temps which caused foxtailing and loss in quality. My main room with combo of hps and qb's runs at 80f average and I never see foxtailing but I feed them like I have always for hps which the room mainly runs.
Ok. I don’t use LEDs so cant comment on that. But if it works for you then that’s awesome :D
I do have 1 question out of interest,
what’s your theory as to why you need less temp when you are running more N? I would understand if you said that running more N allows you to increase light intensity...
Just that I run my room at a certain temp/humidity at different stages of the plants life and adjust my feeding to suit not my temps if that makes sense?
 

booms111

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Ok. I don’t use LEDs so cant comment on that. But if it works for you then that’s awesome :D
I do have 1 question out of interest,
what’s your theory as to why you need less temp when you are running more N? I would understand if you said that running more N allows you to increase light intensity...
Just that I run my room at a certain temp/humidity at different stages of the plants life and adjust my feeding to suit not my temps if that makes sense?
mostly everybody on here that runs led had issues when they started using them with weird deficiencies so they run extra high temps. so I did what they recommended and didn't like the way the plants responded. so I started messing with ferts levels and soil mixes until I found where I could run cooler temps and not have any deficiencies show up. i do get some tip burn on them that I normally don't see in my main veg area under MHs and main Hps room but plants overall are very healthy all the way through bloom compared to running high temps and getting foxtailing.
 

Hydro4life

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mostly everybody on here that runs led had issues when they started using them with weird deficiencies so they run extra high temps. so I did what they recommended and didn't like the way the plants responded. so I started messing with ferts levels and soil mixes until I found where I could run cooler temps and not have any deficiencies show up. i do get some tip burn on them that I normally don't see in my main veg area under MHs and main Hps room but plants overall are very healthy all the way through bloom compared to running high temps and getting foxtailing.
Ahhh ok. I was looking at another forum a few months ago, they were talking about LEDs don’t create the same surface heat on the leaves as hps so they have to increase the temps for better photosynthesis/perspiration etc.....
Not sure how true this is? But if it is then that’s a plus Alone when running LEDs, the savings on a/c consumption!
 

booms111

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Ahhh ok. I was looking at another forum a few months ago, they were talking about LEDs don’t create the same surface heat on the leaves as hps so they have to increase the temps for better photosynthesis/perspiration etc.....
Not sure how true this is? But if it is then that’s a plus Alone when running LEDs, the savings on a/c consumption!
Yeah that's what they say. I don't point circulating fans directly at plants under LED only at drivers and the boards.
 

Hydro4life

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Yeah that's what they say. I don't point circulating fans directly at plants under LED only at drivers and the boards.
Just out of interest, what LEDs do you use booms? Obviously you have to tweek your environment a little compared to hid’s but how do you think they compare to hps in terms of yield, quality, density and light penetration??
 

ltecato

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i like that some of the buds are so heavy they are falling over. just from first look dont you think they are finished though?View attachment 4474110View attachment 4474111
Those flowers look ready to harvest to me.* I once tried harvesting based solely on what the seed breeders recommended in terms of the number of days at 12/12 and I did not like the results. That was with a strain called Dr. Who, growing indoors.

*I go by the number of brown, red or withered hairs, and the general appearance and stickiness of the flowers. I have given up on trying to "read" trichome colors.
 

booms111

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Just out of interest, what LEDs do you use booms? Obviously you have to tweek your environment a little compared to hid’s but how do you think they compare to hps in terms of yield, quality, density and light penetration??
I have eight 132 quantum boards, four quantum 120's and three 324 quantums. So 15 boards all together and all different spectums. Yield wise they do alot better then hps in smaller size plants watt for watt compared to hps but my main area I prefer 6ft+ plants where hps is king still but i use quantums between the 1ks for the extra tall girls that I don't want to get to close to the hps's. Quality and density is very similar and nobody can tell which light they were grown under.
 

booms111

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Those flowers look ready to harvest to me.* I once tried harvesting based solely on what the seed breeders recommended in terms of the number of days at 12/12 and I did not like the results. That was with a strain called Dr. Who, growing indoors.

*I go by the number of brown, red or withered hairs, and the general appearance and stickiness of the flowers. I have given up on trying to "read" trichome colors.
What I do is basicly pick all new tester genetics around 63-65 days no matter what breeder says. Then I write on dry erase board the amount of days i took it to harvest so after smoking the end product I adjust the harvest day longer or shorter based on results. Usually if it made me tired or lacked flavor I'll back it off 3 days or if it was weak potency I'll add 3 days. Then I keep adjusting every time I harvest until I find sweet spot. After time you will see even 1 day difference can change the end product.
 

ltecato

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I know that another grower here was horrified, shocked and appalled when I stated that sometimes I ... gasp!... dry and test-smoke a few small flowers to get an idea of whether a plant is ready to harvest. I don't see how that is any different from a cook who taste-tests a spoon full of something that is boiling on a stove to decide if it needs to boil longer. That's supposed to be a "best practice" in the culinary arts, I thought. Whatever.
 
this last page of comments is completely off topic and nonsensical.
So ill just make tge assumption that noone knows anything about anything.
Once again, i ran 800 ppfd MAX on the last grow with a clone if this same plant and got no foxtails. This current grow i ran 1000 ppfd max and started to notice calyx spiring at week 8 (breeder recommended 8+weeks flowering).
So with everything else being equal and the plant being a clone, i am going to make the assumption that the HIGH LEVELS OF LIGHT LATE IN FLOWERING IS CAUSING THE PLANT TO FOXTAIL.
 

a mongo frog

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this last page of comments is completely off topic and nonsensical.
So ill just make tge assumption that noone knows anything about anything.
Once again, i ran 800 ppfd MAX on the last grow with a clone if this same plant and got no foxtails. This current grow i ran 1000 ppfd max and started to notice calyx spiring at week 8 (breeder recommended 8+weeks flowering).
So with everything else being equal and the plant being a clone, i am going to make the assumption that the HIGH LEVELS OF LIGHT LATE IN FLOWERING IS CAUSING THE PLANT TO FOXTAIL.
So was your yield shit with the 800 ppfd shit so you jumped to 1000?
 
So was your yield shit with the 800 ppfd shit so you jumped to 1000?
at 800 ppfd i yielded approx 220 grams.
i am going to harvest this plant tomorrow (the 1000 ppfd plant) and post the results.

i do still have a small bud of the 800ppfd plant. in comparison to the week 7 sample i took of the 1000 ppfd, the 1000ppfd looked better. i am pretty sure i will have a better yield as well.
 
Looks a really good job to me, i call it the second round, just when you think there ready you get a second wave of new white hairs, i normally chop a week or so after. Well done she looks lovely
thanks. it has taken me a little over a year and a half to get my grow dialed in to the point at which it is now. im proud of what i have accomplished and learned with little to no knowledge of growing before i started.
 
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