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i really need some help. my two seedlings are about ten to twelve days old. i have them in a window pot and they are growing fast. the seed leaves? are seperated from the serated ones. but they are drastically bending towards the outside. what can i do? what kind of cheap bulb can i get? i don't know what to do!!!! lol. thnks for helping a newb.

window light will not work at all for growing.. your plant will end up very tall and skinny.. and more than likely will not be able to hold its own weight and will fall...

you can use cfl light bulbs.. the spiral ones.. a couple of them are good enough for a small grow...

Ahh, killer idea bout dirt. No idea why that didn't occur to me for seedlings that are promising & that I do not have enough room for.

I must have written something that led to confusion bout the autos.

I have no delusions what so ever that they can be used as a mom & cloned. I must have confused you with my barrage of questions.

Yeah, I realize they prob. are crap. I just wanna get those in the tent while I germ & find my mommies from the NL & Diesel beans.

My vision has been constantly evolving, especially w/ all your input.

Yeah @ this point, I almost don't wanna do the sutos (I just already dropped several hundred beans for beans). And am more stoked bout SOG'n.

Only 1 question for ya this time, and this of course is speculative, so just want your opinion.

Now that I realize some of the nuances of SOG. It sounds essentially like turnaround with that process is 70-80 days from the type you take the cutting.

Aside from not having to dick with the photo period, and of course not having to maintain mommies, what the heck is the advantage of having autos?

From what I have read bout Ruderalis. It sounds to be a very young science. Inconsistent yield reports all over. Sounds like 1/2-o, dry per auto is best case scenario.

If a SOG'd regular plant yields approx. the same amount. Why not stick w/ tried & true genetics?

Again, this is totally rhetorical. Preesh all the help once again.

Man, I really hope to have some real world (not hypothetical) questions for ya soon.

Sampson, sorry forgot to post the link this link for that system. I show preciate you bein kind enough to take a peak.

http://shop.v-drip.com/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=V12

It actually is startin to grow on me (no pun), for real I think it might be alright.

Originally I bugged b/c of how small the 4" pots were. The cat @ the company told me specifically that the system was designed for plants no larger than 15-18 inches.

After beginning to grasp the concept of SOG. Its startin to come together.

I didn't mean to give the impression that I wasn't gonna use the V thing.
Cause she is getting tried out for sure. That willl be whats inside of tent w/ exhaust & my 400watt hps.

The drip tray sits on a on a shelf I made above tent. It has a x12 site manifold for separate drippers on micro-tubing & stakes, above the tent. It has just a 110 watt 2' flourescent. (Drip tray is 2'x3', pretty much exact outer dimensions of tent).

My intention is to start 'em in rr plugs. Put autos in tent. Put photo beans in 4" rockwool cubes. Make moms. Take cuttings into rr plugs, into the old 4" cubes & then into the tent on a perpetual cycle (again, ALL HOPEFULLY).

So hopefully that v-system is up to the challenge!! Nah, this is my plan. Lemme know if I am delusional or what??

I had three female plants for about three months. when we put them into flowering mode they began to die after about a week. They were draining fine they looked beautiful before flowering. Anyone have an idea to what happened to them?

showhard2handle said:

Ahh, killer idea bout dirt. No idea why that didn't occur to me for seedlings that are promising & that I do not have enough room for.

I must have written something that led to confusion bout the autos.

I have no delusions what so ever that they can be used as a mom & cloned. I must have confused you with my barrage of questions.

Yeah, I realize they prob. are crap. I just wanna get those in the tent while I germ & find my mommies from the NL & Diesel beans.

My vision has been constantly evolving, especially w/ all your input.

Yeah @ this point, I almost don't wanna do the sutos (I just already dropped several hundred beans for beans). And am more stoked bout SOG'n.

Only 1 question for ya this time, and this of course is speculative, so just want your opinion.

Now that I realize some of the nuances of SOG. It sounds essentially like turnaround with that process is 70-80 days from the type you take the cutting.

Aside from not having to dick with the photo period, and of course not having to maintain mommies, what the heck is the advantage of having autos?

From what I have read bout Ruderalis. It sounds to be a very young science. Inconsistent yield reports all over. Sounds like 1/2-o, dry per auto is best case scenario.

If a SOG'd regular plant yields approx. the same amount. Why not stick w/ tried & true genetics?

Again, this is totally rhetorical. Preesh all the help once again.

Man, I really hope to have some real world (not hypothetical) questions for ya soon.

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the main idea behind autos is their size and flowering time.... basically they are a fully matured plant from seed thats done in 8 weeks.. a standard photoperiod strain would not reach full maturity from seed started out at 12/12... so the autos have the benefit of that...

they are also good for outside... where during grow season it is possible to get 2 full harvests of autos where photoperiod strains you only will have 1 harvest a year...

they stay short which is a plus... yield is somewhat scattered... it can be anywhere from 1/2 ounce to 2 ounces a plant.. so yes they are somewhat inconsistant.. but clones can be the same way too...

now all these are benefits you can get from clones straight into 12/12.. but the thing that makes autos most appealing is that you dont need to maintain moms.. true, clones straight into 12/12 may have a more consistant yield per plant.. but you have to have mother plants to get the clones from.. which means space for them.. if you dont have the space for mother plants, autos fill in nicely...

showhard2handle said:

Sampson, sorry forgot to post the link this link for that system. I show preciate you bein kind enough to take a peak.

http://shop.v-drip.com/cgi/display.cgi?item_num=V12

It actually is startin to grow on me (no pun), for real I think it might be alright.

Originally I bugged b/c of how small the 4" pots were. The cat @ the company told me specifically that the system was designed for plants no larger than 15-18 inches.

After beginning to grasp the concept of SOG. Its startin to come together.

I didn't mean to give the impression that I wasn't gonna use the V thing.
Cause she is getting tried out for sure. That willl be whats inside of tent w/ exhaust & my 400watt hps.

The drip tray sits on a on a shelf I made above tent. It has a x12 site manifold for separate drippers on micro-tubing & stakes, above the tent. It has just a 110 watt 2' flourescent. (Drip tray is 2'x3', pretty much exact outer dimensions of tent).

My intention is to start 'em in rr plugs. Put autos in tent. Put photo beans in 4" rockwool cubes. Make moms. Take cuttings into rr plugs, into the old 4" cubes & then into the tent on a perpetual cycle (again, ALL HOPEFULLY).

So hopefully that v-system is up to the challenge!! Nah, this is my plan. Lemme know if I am delusional or what??

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that drip system looks like it will work nicely... its basically a mix between a flood system and a drip system... flood systems are angled so that the water will flow back down into a res... those are angled to do the same thing... should work out well...

in theory your idea works... its just a matter of getting it up and running and trying it out that is left to do... in theory and in practice can sometimes vary a lot.. hopefully things will work well the first go around...

malzherb said:

I had three female plants for about three months. when we put them into flowering mode they began to die after about a week. They were draining fine they looked beautiful before flowering. Anyone have an idea to what happened to them?

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did you change anything after you switched them to flowering besides the light cycle??

did you/can you look at the roots and see what color they are??

did you switch their nutes on them gradually or did you start feeding heavy bloom nutes as soon as you switched to flowering??

still need a little more info before i can give you my best input..

k well i tryed to get a pic of it but it hard to with my cam and what is nutes but here a pic

well this what I use soil that a friend and me composted, EM-1,miracle-gro water sub plant food but as you can see the bottom starter leafs are yellow so ya and my routine is I have them outside for the day light hours then I put the in my closet with a soft white light bulb fore the night time hours. so I know what is nutes and medium its funny i have been in botany 6 yaers and i dont know this lol

alright. thanks. and the problem i had with stretching should stop now, correct? and i have a fan on them after i put some supports up. so hopefully my girls will straighten up...

Where is the best place to look for info on seedling care?

haha555 said:

well this what I use soil that a friend and me composted, EM-1,miracle-gro water sub plant food but as you can see the bottom starter leafs are yellow so ya and my routine is I have them outside for the day light hours then I put the in my closet with a soft white light bulb fore the night time hours. so I know what is nutes and medium its funny i have been in botany 6 yaers and i dont know this lol

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haha555 said:

sorry dont know what nutes or medium

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medium is what your growing in and nutes are nutrients...

the soil looks really woody... sort of like it wasnt composted enough.. that could cause somewhat of a problem... if the mix is too chunky it wont hold water or nutes well.. which could, and more than likely will cause problems later on.. it doesnt give the roots enough medium to hold on to also... you may want to consider using another soil mix, or trying to make the mix a little finer... not powdered of course.. but a little finer would be better..

as far as nutes go you probably are good to start.. you may want to transplant that plant and then start feeding it.. i think you will be a lot happier with the results...

also.. you may want to get another light.. the soft white bulb you are using i am going to guess and a standard incandescent bulb.. these are not good at all for growing.. it will only stand to stretch your plant.. you should replace it with some cfls (the spiral bulbs)...

ojkushman said:

alright. thanks. and the problem i had with stretching should stop now, correct? and i have a fan on them after i put some supports up. so hopefully my girls will straighten up...

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the problem should stop as long as you have them under the right light, and you have the light source close enough.. cfls need to be kept extremely close to the plants.. the more you can get the better.. or a couple large ones work to... but that should stop the stretching from occuring, yes...

the fan will definitely help strengthen the stem up.. it will take a while.. but after a week or so it should be fine... keep the fan going all the time anyways to help circulate moisture, co2, air, and heat... along with strengthening the stems..

anhedonia said:

Where is the best place to look for info on seedling care?

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what do you need to know about it?? there isnt any one place to look.. the info is pretty much scattered all around.. but i'd be happy to give you all the info i personally have if you want... just ask!

Ive had bad luck with seeds in the past. My seedlings pop up all green and healthy but then they grow a little, turn yellow, stretch then either stunt or die on me. Ive determined its got to be our tap water so Im wondering what I could be doing differently to make sure these new seedlings make it into little plants. Need to know optimum ppm or tds. Fiji artesian water is 220 tds. I have a bunch of that. PH is about 7.4 so I would lower it to 6.2. Anything else that I could be doing?

well the stretching sounds like a light issue.. which means you either need more light, are using the wrong light, or arent keeping your light close enough...

it could also be that the seeds themselves are non viable seeds.... which means they are old or not mature... are you using bag seeds that are healthy or are you buying seeds??

also, what are you sprouting them in?? are you using any nutes on them that young?? if you are then thats could be adding to the problem...

if you are worried about your tap water you can always buy reverse osmosis water at a grocery store or wal mart.. its about 80 cents a gallon... or you could think about getting a water filtration system of your own...

optimum ppm for a seedling is 0 or damn near it.. the only thing that should be used is some rooting hormones and maybe some thrive alive or something.. but thats the extent...

Right now I have six old time moonshine that have broken the soil. They look great. 1 of them is stretching a little. Theyre about 18 inches from the t5's on a heat mat. But I find that the hardest part of growing for me in the past was getting seedlings to plants. They grow a few nodes with small leaves and like I said thats when they turn yellow and pale.

And all my seeds come from seed banks. Same thing has happened with my past 4 or 5 seed grows though. I dont use any sort of nutrient until they hit the vveg stage. I have a brita 3 stage filter, does that work? I guess FIJI is for drinking.

use the brita water.. i wouldnt use bottled drinking water.. that all gets treated with stuff.. not the best to use.. brita would work.. or RO water...

move the light within an inch or two of the sprouts.. they will appreciate it a lot...

hopefully we can get you past this stage and onto a plant!

simpsonsampson420 said:

thanks bro.. i do what i can...

you know what i think is the funniest thing... i read a lot about new members on here that hate this place because they cant get anyone to help them.. aside from a few posters in here, not many people read it... just goes to show a lot of people here aren't willing to do the work for their grow.. basically the reading.. they want instant gratification... they arent willing to do a little reading and research.. oh well..

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Yea man i kno what you mean, they just dont get that you have to actually study up on this shit, but i do help as much as i can, i subscribe to a shit load of thread, hence the post count lol, but i love thread likes this, i always pass them out

haha555 said:

dude this place has help me a lot cuz some of the things in here i dont not know

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im glad it has helped.. thats why i took the time to post this.. a lot of threads were being made about how there is no where to get help... this thread was pretty much a how to with an open end for questions... its really made me happy with as much as its been used.. just wish it was used more even!

slock07 said:

well done....happy hollidays

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thank you.. same to you!

[QUOTE="SICC";3587931]Yea man i kno what you mean, they just dont get that you have to actually study up on this shit, but i do help as much as i can, i subscribe to a shit load of thread, hence the post count lol, but i love thread likes this, i always pass them out[/QUOTE]

you can tell the ones that want you to do their grow for them.. they are often younger members... in both age and membership time.. they typically throw a tantrum or get pissy like a little kid tends to somewhere in almost every thread they post.. it drives me fuckin nuts sometimes.. lol

i used to try to go thread to thread and help.. but i got tired of skimming through arguements and such.. just tried to simplify it... please feel free to pass this around.. i always like getting on and having a bunch of good questions to answer!

you;d be surprised tho how many new growers dont know that.. or dont choose to believe it.. they think they should get pounds and pounds off of plants that grow over night and flower in a week... patience is key to this.. and there arent as many people who have the patience, even if they think they do..

ya i hear ya man o two thing how meny time do i water my plant thats out doors and one of my plants are not doing so well ill try to get a pic but it a n def but I give it more mer gro and its till dieing the other i have it all good tho

http://shopping.netsuite.com/s.nl/c.471963/it.A/id.225/.f?sc=2&category=48 heres a link to em-1.. its somewhat a feeding chart.. i have never used it before... so i cant tell you..

now.. for the other side of things.. mg nutes are bad.. they can be used.. but as difficult.. reason being is you have no control over exactly what nutes are being fed when you feed.. your plant gets everything regardless of wether or not they need it.. where as with a 2 or 3 part system you can add or take away what is needed where and if you need too..

what happens with mg is that more often than not there are unused nutes in the soil that the plant didnt use... you can take a chance and just nute, water, water... but the reality is that your plant will run out of essential nutes it needs far before it uses all the nutes that are available... for instance it may use 100% of the nitrogen available.. but only 20% of the potasium.... so there is still 80% of the original potasium in the soil.. of course thats just an example... but i think the point is made..

what this means is that the extra nutes left behind will eventually turn to salts... these salts can begin to lower the ph... depending on the level of salts it can happen quickly or very slowly... but it will happen.. as the ph begins to shit, and the salts continue to accumulate, more and more nutes are either left behind or locked out... this compounds itself over time and can reak havoc on things...

if you can get even a 2 part feeding system you would be better off.. a 3 part is the ideal.. but 2 parts can work very well... either way i would highly recommend ditching the MG...