For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

dbkick

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I took back hydrocorn and exchanged it for dyna-roks. Now about that issue I was having, my hydro dude pulled out these cirlces cut out of screen as an idea of keeping my roks in the inner bucket, this seems like a good idea but the screens he had were like 4 inches round, I need one the size of the 5 gallon inner bucket and I'll place it on the bottom. I know jack about screen material but just looked at home depot and their screen products aren't having any msds reports, doesn't say what its made of but I'm thinking it has to be pretty safe and will serve my purpose well, again any and all input on this is great, thanks.
 

dbkick

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just ran WAY down south to pick up some earwax and left a garden hose sprinkler up under a bunch of dyna-roks in a tote with a pump on the top side of the roks to pump out water, this wasn't verty helpful :/
The water on top was crystal clear but give it a little stir and its mucked. I felt sure the process would work but it appears the shit has to be stirred frequently then pumped clear....repeat....repeat...repeat.... this shit is worse than hydroton :/
 

researchkitty

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I hear you try 300l of it shit make me want to shoot myself lol
I clean 1792 Litres of Hydroton every 60 days. Then again, I have (14) 1000w lamps, too and pleeeeeeeeeeenty of buckets! The real secret to Hydroton washing is just to dump it all in a 55 gallon blue rez, fill it with water, rinse it around, drain it out. Then I wash about 50 gallons of Hydroton in about 15 minutes. Pretty easy labor!

I'm probably better off tumbling this rok dry and taking the loss , then rinsing it again and again and again, I've actually got an old pump and a filter running in a bucket that has a airstone under the roks , I have no idea if it will work or not, any-fucking-things gotta help, we busted out the pressure washer on them and it only made matters worse it seemed :/
300 fucking liters.... I don't think so. I was originally thinking these roks cleaned easier than hydroton and then I realized they were just as stubborn and harder to deal with (due to the flakes and specks) than hydroton.
Ouch man, that stinks. :( If the rocks are small enough to go through the inner buckets, then the rocks are too small to use....... Perhaps the place you bought it from gave you the wrong size?
 

dbkick

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Kitty, I bought the most coarse they had, I paid 177 bux for 4.5 liters I'm damn sure gonna use them.....once anyway, if I gotta toss them somewhere in the yard after they prove themselves bullshit , if not I'll continue to use them, I think the screening idea is a good one. if I had it to do again I'm sure I'd just go with the hydrocorn because I intend to use a silica additive anyway and thats the only real benefit of these diatom roks other than they absorb 150 percent their weight in water which may count for something or other.
 

researchkitty

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Kitty, I bought the most coarse they had, I paid 177 bux for 4.5 liters I'm damn sure gonna use them.....once anyway, if I gotta toss them somewhere in the yard after they prove themselves bullshit , if not I'll continue to use them, I think the screening idea is a good one. if I had it to do again I'm sure I'd just go with the hydrocorn because I intend to use a silica additive anyway and thats the only real benefit of these diatom roks other than they absorb 150 percent their weight in water which may count for something or other.
I dont wanna sound like a hater, but your trying to reinvent the wheel..... $177 for 4.5 litres of whatever stuff you have that you shouldnt be using cant be correct, a 50L bag of Hydroton is $35. In trying to avoid Hydroton, you're creating one hell of a mess. Silica additive?! Huh?!!
 

dbkick

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I dont wanna sound like a hater, but your trying to reinvent the wheel..... $177 for 4.5 litres of whatever stuff you have that you shouldnt be using cant be correct, a 50L bag of Hydroton is $35. In trying to avoid Hydroton, you're creating one hell of a mess. Silica additive?! Huh?!!
Kitty, its diatom rock, I know hydroton very well and am not real impressed with it, this rock is suppose to be superior and slowly release silicas to the plants, those in turn strengthen cell walls and shit making your plants defenses against pest and disease not to mention bigger stronger stalks. products like rhinoskin or silica blast or the one I'm going with pro-tekt, this grow is gonna be all dyna-gro stuff right down to the rocks. I got extremely tired of AN .
 

dbkick

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question, can you use a 90 degree elbow in the lower grommets that feed the buckets OR a straight fitting?.these setup instructions are a little weak although they do state a straight fitting goes there but since gravity is the only factor I wouldn't see why not other than it may slow draining down a bit.
 

jdmcwestevo

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I have been trying to find a good thread about the cap e & g system but haven't been able to find one yet so thought I would start this and see if I can get a good discussion going and compile a good overall document on the system.

If you are using the cap e & g system please give your feedback to the following questions and feel free to add anything else of interest you can think of.


What medium do you use? Were there other mediums you tried and then switched? I have tried stg inserts and hydro-ton but have much better results with hydro-ton.


Did you do any customizations to the system like raising the buckets 1 inch higher than the controller? I put 1 inch spacers in the outer bucket so the inner bucket wouldn't be sitting in water all the time. I also put hose clamps around all the tubing after I had one come off and get water everywhere.


Do you use the Cap system for both veg and flower? If so what were your feeding schedules for both stages? If you don't use the system for both veg and flower what did you use for veg and how easy was it to move/transplant to the cap system?



How often did you change the rez?


Which Nutes do you use?


Pros and cons of the CAP system?


Thanks to all
ok first off i have extensive experience with ebb and flow in both trays and buckets. I have used this system as well as the greentrees. now to answer your questions.

1. i currently use shredded coco, which i am trying for the first time, and so far i love it. i used to use hydroton with good success. Reason for changing is the ease of coco, and much better vigor. Hydroton is also a pain in the ass to clean.
2. i made some upgrades like the tiles etc. but the new greentrees system has incorporated larger diameter hoses, raised buckets for drainage, adjustable floats, basically all the things that needed to be addressed have been handled by greentrees.
3. i used a separate room for dedicated veg and moved the inner buckets to my dedicated flower room. i have also vegged and flowered in the same system at my other garden. i use mainly house and garden, with some additives from botanicare. your feed schedule is dependent upon your plants i tailor my nute strength etc. based on how my plants react.
4. i change the res every 5-7 days
5. house and garden, but i am doing a test for a new company in the UK
6. the CAP bucket system is complete garbage. their design is flawed and old. i burned out 3 brain buckets in one cycle, and my friend burned 2 in one month. i was lucky and caught it or i would have lost my whole crop which is 96 plants and 20k watts (Medical Collective grows)

BOTTOMLINE if you wanna use this system i would recommend getting the one from greentrees they started it and they have the best most up to date system. i can get you a great deal on a system if u want and drop ship it, i have my own store. if you have any questions i'll check in from time to time to answer them.
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
ok first off i have extensive experience with ebb and flow in both trays and buckets. I have used this system as well as the greentrees. now to answer your questions.

1. i currently use shredded coco, which i am trying for the first time, and so far i love it. i used to use hydroton with good success. Reason for changing is the ease of coco, and much better vigor. Hydroton is also a pain in the ass to clean.
2. i made some upgrades like the tiles etc. but the new greentrees system has incorporated larger diameter hoses, raised buckets for drainage, adjustable floats, basically all the things that needed to be addressed have been handled by greentrees.
3. i used a separate room for dedicated veg and moved the inner buckets to my dedicated flower room. i have also vegged and flowered in the same system at my other garden. i use mainly house and garden, with some additives from botanicare. your feed schedule is dependent upon your plants i tailor my nute strength etc. based on how my plants react.
4. i change the res every 5-7 days
5. house and garden, but i am doing a test for a new company in the UK
6. the CAP bucket system is complete garbage. their design is flawed and old. i burned out 3 brain buckets in one cycle, and my friend burned 2 in one month. i was lucky and caught it or i would have lost my whole crop which is 96 plants and 20k watts (Medical Collective grows)

BOTTOMLINE if you wanna use this system i would recommend getting the one from greentrees they started it and they have the best most up to date system. i can get you a great deal on a system if u want and drop ship it, i have my own store. if you have any questions i'll check in from time to time to answer them.
Well Il argue that its junk im running three for over 2 years now and friend
That have been for longer and at least a dozen on riu and not one has problems
Like yours so not calling bs. Just i dont agree
 

jdmcwestevo

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Well Il argue that its junk im running three for over 2 years now and friend
That have been for longer and at least a dozen on riu and not one has problems
Like yours so not calling bs. Just i dont agree
im glad yours worked great. i just had such a horrible experience as well as my good friend and a few customers that i had setup rooms for them. back then i had talked to them and they said they had a bad run of brains, and it was fixed. i went back to greentrees, and their system is much more complete. all the issues have been handled.

everyone has their opinion, but CAP customer support also blows even if you have a store lol. i just got a 8 inch lumenaire hood from them that didnt have the power cord or anything. i got a full pallet 24 hoods i believe i waited 3 months to arrive lol
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
This is no lie they do suck at costomer support for shure, but il look at the greentrees one but the one that gives a warm
And fussy for me is the titan flow&grow, hey jd can you post up some pics your op sounds impresive and would like to
Maybe learn a thing or to
 

jdmcwestevo

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ya hang on i got some pictures of a 20k watt one i put up a month ago it was a nightmare for sure, but they are doing well now. had a heat issue because of shitty sunlight supply hoods, which half of them were used and came with no v hooks i bought them supposed to be brand new. lol they are retarded too u would think when you order 24 hoods and 1000w ballast they would take care of u right? WRONG. anyway pictures coming.
 

dbkick

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You can use whatever you want in types of fitting 90s strait or a tee.
Thanks man, should be up and running tomorrow although I probably only got 3 buckets worth of roks cleaned, I'll clean the rest tomorrow but may do three in hydrocorn and three in dyna roks.
 

hellraizer30

Rebel From The North
Thanks man, should be up and running tomorrow although I probably only got 3 buckets worth of roks cleaned, I'll clean the rest tomorrow but may do three in hydrocorn and three in dyna roks.
i think from what kitty is saying we are putting to much into cleaning the rock, maybe just a quick wash and rinse is all
It needs, but im looking into a jewlers tumbler it will fit gal of rock at a time
 

dbkick

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i think from what kitty is saying we are putting to much into cleaning the rock, maybe just a quick wash and rinse is all
It needs, but im looking into a jewlers tumbler it will fit gal of rock at a time
I'm talking initial cleaning, anything after that does come pretty easy but those things sure come in dusty as fuck.
 

dbkick

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I have some thats pretty clean, took hours of running water into it, man I've got so many question about using this new system, like when to flood, how long, do you drain immediately after a flood is complete or as close as the timer allows anyway. I intend to run one bigger (the fill pump at 1000 gph) and a smaller drain pump(350 gph) but with a much better max head than the 8 foot or so these stock cap ones come with, kinda weak considering the price of the system.
 
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