For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

GreenDyl said:

Sorry for freaking out on you before but zone just doesn't work for this problem. I let it run for 2 weeks with zone with 0 improvement. I have learned a few lessons on this grow. I probably will go sterile for my next grow because the smell of bennies sucks but its deff necessary for my situation. Idk if I should let the tent fill out and then flip or if I should flip and see how the rest of the grow goes. Having the PH off for the first 4 weeks has deff effected the plants but I think they can still fill out most of the tent in the next week or two. Realistically I am looking to get like 2.5-4 os a plant. Any thoughts?

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It's all for fun, no worries. My thoughts are this, things are looking much better. Whatever tea you're brewing and the adjustments you've made are working for now so follow through with the application RELIGIOUSLY for the remainder of the grow or the slime will come back almost overnight. If you can keep those roots thriving your next problem will be having to cut them out of your tubing. Also remember that after the 2nd or 3rd week of flower your plants will all but stop growing roots. If the slime comes back at that point it's game over. Good luck

hellraizer30 said:

Cool tubes will cover a 3x3 well! And if your goal is that said amount monthy! The setup you just layed out
will do that every 2 weeks if you went zero veg sog

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Thank you so much for your help hellraizer! I was thinking the samee as you. But i think i will stick with the once a month harvest. I had a typo i was tryin to get 2a month. If i do the once every two weeks i think it will be a decent amount of more work. The place i am movin to has alot of property. And i will have animals and some acres to have to take care off.

you guys have a specific brand tea you use or you home brew your own? what tea did you use to kill that slime?

I Tryed to make my own home brew. It worked good but wasn't what I wanted. I could of done some research and found better. But was given a few free samples of the Xtream Gardenings tea from my hydro store. Everything I want. And for 5 bucks a week I don't get my hands dirty.

thats what i like to hear!

greenghost420 said:

you guys have a specific brand tea you use or you home brew your own? what tea did you use to kill that slime?

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Hiesenbergs tea seems to be the winner if brewed right!

Was running 2 E&G systems side by side and had much better yields in one than the other. All the same clone, same nutes, same lights, etc. I couldn't figure it out for a few days but what I eventually discovered is that one of my controller buckets fills up to 7 inches deep* and the other 8 inches. The plants on the 8 inch flood depth system yielded much better. For the next run I've decided to move the fill float up another inch to get my controller buckets flooding as deep as possible (9inches). More root volume = bigger yield. The E&G inner buckets hold 8 quarts of hydroton but only flood about half way with an unmodified controller bucket. Anyone else done this mod yet?

*The controller bucket that only floods 7 inches is defective. The float switch trips way too soon. It shouldn't deactivate the fill pump until the float switch is nearly level.

how would you do that? oh I suppose plugging the existing hole would work.
I did mod a regular size cap ebb and flo to a 5 gallon bucket. you'll need to snip a wire or two and crimp on a connector but it's pretty simple.just elevating the controller an inch would probably work too, wouldn't drain back as much of course.

Yeah, just finished it and I did have to extend the 2 wires to move the float up. Had to cut some plastic away on the side of the bucket to get at the spot where the new hole needed to be drilled. I put a grommet in the old float switch hole with a barb and a cap.



Most of us raise our satellite buckets about a half inch to get them to drain properly. Unfortunately, when you raise your buckets you also lower your flood level. Raising the top float switch will remedy this problem. Hopefully the engineers at C.A.P. read this stuff, I'd like to see them make some 3 gallon satellite buckets that are compatible with the original E&G controller bucket.

Couldn't find a cap for the barb so I just stabbed some white caulk in the hole.

researchkitty said:

Please dont add bleach to your reservoir. Bleach is bad for plants and for the nutrients in your reservoir. Use something like simple green or a citrus based cleaner, eh? In 1200 posts in this thread, not one talks about adding bleach to a reservoir. Please show me where it is "used in commercial hydroponics constantly". If I'm wrong, hats off to ya for showing me something new.

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Take your hat off then. He is correct in doses. Cannot use with organics. Google is a good way to learn. Try fatman chlorine. It is used by commercial greenhouses everywhere.Hydro shops cant charge you out the wazoo for a gallon of clorox. Therefore why would they educate you? Works Great and is very cost efficient... take care & enjoy.

Ferredoxin said:

I can understand why people would want beneficials in soil, but not in a hydro system....at least not a hydro system with skinny tubes and dark buckets with lots of crevices for shit to grow in. If you are THAT concerned with a microherd, then this system is probably not for you.

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Do a google on Heisenburgs Tea. The theory being his bennies ( in hydro ) eat all the funk. It's not for breaking down organics. .. enjoy

MoJobud said:

Anyone else have a problem with the drain pump trying to keep the controller level steady? The float on the bottom is at an angle from the factory. As the final bit of water pumps out from the controller via the hose to the res tank it shuts off when the float drops. Great but then the water that didn't make it all the way to the res in the line comes back and creates a wave action and the float goes back up so the pump tries to pump water out and this cycle is never ending.What did you guys do? I am thinking my line might be too long or is this just common with the CAP system and I just live with it?Also if you raise your buckets to drain fully, you lose about a good inch of space for hydroton or just grow space. Is this a problem for any of you? Should I just keep the buckets at ground level with the controller?thanks

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You could put an inline check valve in the hose directly above the controller and it wont allow the water back up. Costs a couple bucks....enjoy

Check out the progress, still been using heisenburgs tea which owns hard. Pretty sure Ill go completely sterile for the next grow cause the smell reeks up my closet which all my clothes are in. Day 21 flowering. The first picture is the whole tent, Second is aurora indica and the third pic is lemon skunk. Im scared because the lemon skunk looks really sativa-ish and I really need this thing to be done around 8 weeks and they are stretchy as all hell. If anyones got any pointers for me lemme know.

GreenDyl said:

Check out the progress, still been using heisenburgs tea which owns hard. Pretty sure Ill go completely sterile for the next grow cause the smell reeks up my closet which all my clothes are in. Day 21 flowering. The first picture is the whole tent, Second is aurora indica and the third pic is lemon skunk. Im scared because the lemon skunk looks really sativa-ish and I really need this thing to be done around 8 weeks and they are stretchy as all hell. If anyones got any pointers for me lemme know. View attachment 2416218View attachment 2416219View attachment 2416220

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I hope those lights move up more because you're gonna need the head room for those sativas. If not you'll need to do some supercroopping (yes you can supercrop while flowering). What exactly does that tea smell like?

I got like 2 more feet maybe 3, I'm hoping they will stop stretching this week or the next though. I figured out today that my problems with the slime was what I'm gonna call a bad batch of B52. I didn't add the Tea and I added the B52 and within 1 day my whole system was slimed up and smelled like absolute shit. The tea I make is a tweeked version of heisenburgs its 50ml aquasheild, 1 scoop great white, 2 handfuls of ancient forest and 50 ml of carboload. Usually doesnt start to stink up my room for like 5 or 6 days but it just smells like a fart kinda lol

Figured out my problem. The Heisenburgs tea is only supposed to be used with synthetic nutes. Bud candy and b52 are what the smell is coming from because the bacteria in the tea can breed from them and do... into the trillions and trillions. No negative effect though just a really bad smell. For my next grow Ill probably just use ANs GMB and then big bud and overdrive. All the other things have made things more difficult in my situation.

I had a little episode with my res getting funky. I don't think it was B52 though. I think it got funky with Carbs and Benys. It was in August and temps may have gotta a little too high. I was at about 75 in the res. I got big old snot wads and it smelled. Im not sure if it as the same issue for you, but I continue to use B52 with no issues. I still use carbs and bennys too with no issues. I think it was mainly temps that worked up a mess. I have been debating on switching to H202. Thats what I do in my cloner and it works great.

Eh my temps are never above 70, i think i just added to much bennies with carbs

BUdbuddysmile said:

I had a little episode with my res getting funky. I don't think it was B52 though. I think it got funky with Carbs and Benys. It was in August and temps may have gotta a little too high. I was at about 75 in the res. I got big old snot wads and it smelled. Im not sure if it as the same issue for you, but I continue to use B52 with no issues. I still use carbs and bennys too with no issues. I think it was mainly temps that worked up a mess. I have been debating on switching to H202. Thats what I do in my cloner and it works great.

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Temps that high and adding carbs = a bad res, hies tea a b52 are fine i have used then in a ebb system for many years.