For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

[hellraizer30]

Yes and no. Helps with the roots and all but dosnt dissolve well in a system.

Warlocks right! Only way i would use great white is during the tea brewing phase!

 

[facestabber]

Haha bro you are literally a troll. The advice you gave me did not work so why would I listen to you. Obviously you don't know shit about MY garden because what you suggested doesn't work against brown slime algae. There are a ton of posts that will specifically tell you that nothing will get rid of the slime besides adding bennies to your nutrient solution. Everything HR has said on this forum has helped me and considering the fact he started his own thread dedicated to E&G I'm pretty sure he knows a hell of a lot more then you do about the aspects of this system. Since adding the bennies to my res 5 days ago the roots have started to explode again and have turned all white.

Have you even tried using bennies in your system? Seems like the only reason one wouldn't do this is because its more work then adding zone or whatever to your solution. You sound just like the people at the hydro store who haven't actually tried every route and they just know what works best for them. Everyones growing conditions and setups are going to be different and you being a fuckin smartass is not going to help anyone. If you did have skill you would have asked more about the problem at hand and not just said dude use zone.

Other then that I am pretty pumped to let this tent fill out and get like 5 ounces off each plant of the highest quality shit and rub it in facestabbers... well... face. Ill post a pic at the end of next week to show you the difference between using tea and using zone.

• 1- No I'm not "literally" a troll, that's just crazy talk.
  
  2- If the advice I gave you didn't work it's because you didn't do it right or give it enough time. (or maybe you are lying and never tried it.)
  
  3- Yes HR is very helpful most of the time, I just disagree with him here. The vast majority of professional hydro growers agree that sterile is superior in hydroponics. I've been in many large scale hydro gardens from commercial food to ornamental crops...all sterile and incredibly efficient.
  
  4- Yes I have tried "bennies". They were expensive, dirty, smelly, ineffective, and just not practical for use in a hydro system when running chemical ferts.
  
  5- Yes using "bennies" is more work, this we agree on.
  
  6- I sound nothing like most of "the people at they hydro store". Those guys are more likely to push the more expensive "bennies" on you because their job is to separate you from your paycheck. 5 liters of Z costs me about $75 and treats 2,500 gallons of water.
  
  7- Me being a "fuckin smartass" as you perceive it will only help those who listen. Like rape it will only hurt if you fight it.
  
  8- I have enough skill to know the solution to your VERY simple problem without "asking more questions". While this may be confusing to a simpleton like yourself it is child's play to me.
  
  9- You're not gonna pull "like 5 ounces off each plant". Seriously, you're not.
  
  10- Let me help you out with that Zone roots pic. (see below)
  
  11- Ya suck.​

  
  
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[HomeLessBeans]

Haha bro you are literally a troll. The advice you gave me did not work so why would I listen to you. Obviously you don't know shit about MY garden because what you suggested doesn't work against brown slime algae. There are a ton of posts that will specifically tell you that nothing will get rid of the slime besides adding bennies to your nutrient solution. Everything HR has said on this forum has helped me and considering the fact he started his own thread dedicated to E&G I'm pretty sure he knows a hell of a lot more then you do about the aspects of this system. Since adding the bennies to my res 5 days ago the roots have started to explode again and have turned all white.

Have you even tried using bennies in your system? Seems like the only reason one wouldn't do this is because its more work then adding zone or whatever to your solution. You sound just like the people at the hydro store who haven't actually tried every route and they just know what works best for them. Everyones growing conditions and setups are going to be different and you being a fuckin smartass is not going to help anyone. If you did have skill you would have asked more about the problem at hand and not just said dude use zone.

Other then that I am pretty pumped to let this tent fill out and get like 5 ounces off each plant of the highest quality shit and rub it in facestabbers... well... face. Ill post a pic at the end of next week to show you the difference between using tea and using zone.

Well since we are 'literally" name callin you sir are an "askhole".
have a nice day and good luck on that countin your chickens before they are buds thing..

 

[Red1966]

Was thinking the same thing when I read that. To each their own. It would be interesting to see a side by side chemical/terpene profile comparison conducted with a mass spectrometer to settle that debate.

Who among us would know how to properly interpret the results?

 

[Red1966]

So listen up guys. I just got my first ebb & gro 12 bucket system. I have some Sensi Seeds Big Bud, Some Barney's Farm LSD, and a whole bunch of different single freebees I got from the Attitude. I was planning to try a vertical grow with the buckets in a circle around 1,2, or 3 bare bulb lights 400w each. Is mixing up the strains going to cause me problems down the road? What is the best way to start from seeds with the ebb & gro? Or is that a bad idea and I should start a new mother plant for clones? And a link to a really idiot-proof curing system would really be helpful as my previous endeavors in dirt and aero have come out harsh to smoke.

 

[facestabber]

So listen up guys. I just got my first ebb & gro 12 bucket system. I have some Sensi Seeds Big Bud, Some Barney's Farm LSD, and a whole bunch of different single freebees I got from the Attitude. I was planning to try a vertical grow with the buckets in a circle around 1,2, or 3 bare bulb lights 400w each. Is mixing up the strains going to cause me problems down the road? What is the best way to start from seeds with the ebb & gro? Or is that a bad idea and I should start a new mother plant for clones? And a link to a really idiot-proof curing system would really be helpful as my previous endeavors in dirt and aero have come out harsh to smoke.

Exciting stuff Red! Running diff. strains can be a pain because of the obvious reasons but should be manageable with only 12 plants. If you are planning on running 1200w of light I suggest 2 600's in a 4x8 tent above your plants. The best way to start seed plants for the E&G is in rockwool cubes but you will be better off with proven clones. Seed plants can sometimes give unpleasant surprises.......skeet skeet skeet

 

[Warlock1369]

I always say don't mix strains unless you know they work together. Same feed same time. Some need less of something others need more. This could be a problem. Can you plant 2 different seeds in soil and grow till you can clone as many as you want? And any freebie autos go ahead and use.

 

[hellraizer30]

Exciting stuff Red! Running diff. strains can be a pain because of the obvious reasons but should be manageable with only 12 plants. If you are planning on running 1200w of light I suggest 2 600's in a 4x8 tent above your plants. The best way to start seed plants for the E&G is in rockwool cubes but you will be better off with proven clones. Seed plants can sometimes give unpleasant surprises.......skeet skeet skeet

I do agree this face on this one

 

[Red1966]

Yeah, I had doubts about multiple strains, I thought going vertical would negate the differing heights, but that still leaves problems with differing growth cycles and the attendant nute mix. I was hoping to cut down on my wattage, I have two dimmable 600w Lumateks (350w, 400w, and 600w) and a straight 400w Galaxy. All are digital. I was thinking I would use only the number of lights actually needed to illuminate the whole plant. 4-8 plants in a circle. My tent is 54" x 96" so I would be limited to that size. I was hoping the vertical aspect would reduce or eliminate the need for pruning, lower my plant count, reduce visibility of my electric bill (my bill doubles when I'm running 1200w) How many plants can I cram in a circle given my tent dimensions and lighting? Or should I just give up on the idea of a vertical? The great things about the ebb & gro is the flexibility and being able to put the pots on the floor for more vertical growth. I grew 18 plants in soil using 1200w, but was a newbie and burned them badly. I got 24 oz of shit weed out of it. I started with bagseed that was only slightly better, so I guess it wasn't a total failure. The second was from LSD clones in a home built aero system under a screen, like the stinkbud system (I had never seen the stinkbud system until after starting the grow). I made a aerocloner that really worked well, even a couple of woody cuttings sprouted, tho they took a long time. Whats the best way to keep mother plants from getting too big while growing out the clones? My first one outgrew its small tent and I had to kill it. As you may have noticed, I still like the idea of a vertical. I'm not really looking for quantity, I want quality.

 

[joethegrower86]

Hey fellas! well...I have been following this thread for about the last two years on and off. And it has helped me alot and thank you all. I just need help with one more thing. I am finally moving out of the spot i am in now and moving into the country. too many neighbors, eyes and just people. I am tired of being so paraniod. Well...I need help designing a room. I just cant think the way i used to after my car accident. Basically i will have an area that is 12feet by 24ft with 8foot ceilings. I only have 1 600w and a ebb and grow 12pot system. I am looking for something that is not too crazy. I want to keep it simple. i have about 6k i want to spend. I would like to stay with the ebb and grow. it is what i know and clone with dwc,bubbleponic. I would like to keep the count below 99. I dont like the perpetual way i would like to just have it dedicated to all the same ages of the plants. I will get too confused filtering out and harvesting a couple at a time. I am also interested in that controller that hooks up to the ballasts that will switch the power between two flowering rooms. If you guys can help with some ideas that would be great. Hellraizer i have been watching for awhile now and want to say good job! maybe you can share some knowledge or ideas

 

[hellraizer30]

Hey joe thanks for the kind words!... with 6k and 12x24 i would go with 1000s and a-wing style shields.
reason for using adjusterwing is the foot print! 1000 in a large a-wing covers a effective 5x7 foot print.
so with 12x24 you could hang x4 1000s with lots of room to move around, or x6 1000s with minimal area
to move around. Each x2 lights and area would have a dedicated ebb system for that area.

costs would be
$475ea. solis tek 1000watt ballest and bulb combo
$200ea. awing shields
$700ea. cap systems with exspantion packs
After all this you would have a good amount of cash
to out the room with fans and a cooling systems

 

[doogleef]

Hey joe thanks for the kind words!... with 6k and 12x24 i would go with 1000s and a-wing style shields.
reason for using adjusterwing is the foot print! 1000 in a large a-wing covers a effective 5x7 foot print.
so with 12x24 you could hang x4 1000s with lots of room to move around, or x6 1000s with minimal area
to move around. Each x2 lights and area would have a dedicated ebb system for that area.

costs would be
$475ea. solis tek 1000watt ballest and bulb combo
$200ea. awing shields
$700ea. cap systems with exspantion packs
After all this you would have a good amount of cash
to out the room with fans and a cooling systems

Um .. yea.. What he said.

 

[joethegrower86]

Not a problem hellraizer! I remember you and kitty pretty much doing all the mentoring and figuring what works best. And thank you for your time with the research. What method do you think will work best for the babies? sorry thats my name for them. I have found that i cant have them too tall because of light penatration. But i do like the lolli pop way and topped. And i herd something about letting them establish a good root system before flipping them. What do you think would be a good height to flip them. Right now i have 1 g13labs ww and pe. I changed the light cycle when they were about 18" and halfway thru the flowering they are about 4ft now. Its just seems like they might be a lil to tall this time and i see that i couldve been done by now.So what works best for you? I will get a pic up tomorrow. I am proud of it. I just didnt like the way the pe was growing so i just took all ww clones. Its like the pe had a mutation arounf the 2ft mark of the plant. I was getting single leaves. it looked like one of those rudi-somthings. sorry cant remember the name. Its was wierd though!

 

[hellraizer30]

Not a problem hellraizer! I remember you and kitty pretty much doing all the mentoring and figuring what works best. And thank you for your time with the research. What method do you think will work best for the babies? sorry thats my name for them. I have found that i cant have them too tall because of light penatration. But i do like the lolli pop way and topped. And i herd something about letting them establish a good root system before flipping them. What do you think would be a good height to flip them. Right now i have 1 g13labs ww and pe. I changed the light cycle when they were about 18" and halfway thru the flowering they are about 4ft now. Its just seems like they might be a lil to tall this time and i see that i couldve been done by now.So what works best for you? I will get a pic up tomorrow. I am proud of it. I just didnt like the way the pe was growing so i just took all ww clones. Its like the pe had a mutation arounf the 2ft mark of the plant. I was getting single leaves. it looked like one of those rudi-somthings. sorry cant remember the name. Its was wierd though!

18in =4 ft. Later on is a monster lol try flipping at 10in and top them a week before you flip!
and at week 2 of flower lolliepop them halfway up or at least 1/4 the way up.

For vegging i liked going 1gal bucket filled with floc or loose fill growdan on a 4x4 flood table!
under t-5 pannels low watts no heat supper simple! You can use growdan blocks, and if you
like tron thats cool to.

now i dont have much knowledge in those strains but if your trying to find a slower stretching
one you might look at sure fire seeds fire starter! Its a fem but super stable and is 100% dank

 

[guati86]

Hows it goin hellraizer! Well....I have been putting in a lot of time recently looking at other options and doing alot of math. I feel like i am doing some crazy college project with all this work. Basically i have came up with something and wanted to run it by you guys. Ok here it goes.....4 3x3 ebb and flow tables,4 600 watt with a reflector that has a good footprint wich i cant really decide on. I want to use the ebb and grow for mothers and another 3x3 table with a metal halide forfor vegg. And veg for possibly two weeks. I would like to get w elbows a month. Hows that look to you guys

 

[guati86]

Oh and by the way this is joethegrower86 my comp it messed up right now.

 

[GreenDyl]

Okay so here are 3 pics, the first is the first day I started using the tea, The second is from today which is a full week from the first pic, the third pic is just my plants this week. This convinces me that tea 100% is the only cure for brown slime aka cyanobacteria.

 

[GreenDyl]

Sorry for freaking out on you before but zone just doesn't work for this problem. I let it run for 2 weeks with zone with 0 improvement. I have learned a few lessons on this grow. I probably will go sterile for my next grow because the smell of bennies sucks but its deff necessary for my situation. Idk if I should let the tent fill out and then flip or if I should flip and see how the rest of the grow goes. Having the PH off for the first 4 weeks has deff effected the plants but I think they can still fill out most of the tent in the next week or two. Realistically I am looking to get like 2.5-4 os a plant. Any thoughts?

 

[Warlock1369]

I've triedeverything out there zone and h2o2 worked but killed everything. I'm switching to xtream Gardenings tea but have over $100 left of zyme. So going to use that up befor full swap. Veg table uses tea only and went from night to day. Couldn't be happier with roots now. They still have browning do to the zyme but clean and happy. Even got my ph under control

 

[hellraizer30]

Hows it goin hellraizer! Well....I have been putting in a lot of time recently looking at other options and doing alot of math. I feel like i am doing some crazy college project with all this work. Basically i have came up with something and wanted to run it by you guys. Ok here it goes.....4 3x3 ebb and flow tables,4 600 watt with a reflector that has a good footprint wich i cant really decide on. I want to use the ebb and grow for mothers and another 3x3 table with a metal halide forfor vegg. And veg for possibly two weeks. I would like to get w elbows a month. Hows that look to you guys

Cool tubes will cover a 3x3 well! And if your goal is that said amount monthy! The setup you just layed out
will do that every 2 weeks if you went zero veg sog