First MJ Grow. 1200W HID, x5 Vanilla Kush x1 Super Lemon Haze

medicalmary said:

here is a good tidbit I happened across. All fertilizer manufacturers when registered with states have to submit products to test for safety reasons. Want to know what is in your voodoo juice? Find out here:

http://saffii.com/databases.aspx

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Hey mm, thanks for the link to my site. I want to clarify, though, not every state requires testing. Only Washington, Oregon, and California require the metals data to be published in a state-sponsored website. And even those states require testing for only a few heavy metals, dioxin, and furans. Or even disclosure that the fertilizer is waste-derived.

So, fertilizer buyers in those 3 states can look up the metals content of fertilizers sold in those states. If you're not buying your fertilizer in those 3 states, even if it has the exact same name and nutrient values, it may be made with different source materials and, therefore, the heavy metal and/or toxic chemical content could be different. Ironite is an example of this. They were sued in California so they use 'cleaner' material in California but they still have a mountain of the dirty material to get rid of so where do you think they dump, err, I mean sell it? That's right. They sell it in the states that don't require testing or disclosure.

This page will show the states that require any disclosure of heavy metals.

http://saffii.com/statelaw.aspx

If your state does not require testing and disclosure of heavy metals, then it's a pretty good bet a zinc micronutrient fertilizer was made using hazardous waste and is probably contaminated with a fine stew of heavy metals and organo chemicals.

That said, different plants have different affinity for metals and chemicals. I don't think I've ever seen a study of MJ's uptake. It's possible that MJ doesn't take up any of these nasty things. It's also possible that even if the metals or chemicals are taken into the leaf or bud, they aren't transferred by smoking (i.e. the metals/chemicals stay in the ash). But, I wouldn't want to be the guinea pig.

Washington's website is the best of the 3. If the fertilizer is waste-derived, then find out the source of the waste. If it's from an incinerator, tannery, or any form of metals processing - don't buy it! Paper processing is questionable (dioxins) as is seafood processing (mercury).

Disclaimer: The above is intended for educational purposes only. It is not intended as legal advice, nor to assist or further any possible illegal activity.

you do realize this thread has been dead for months? And Russia is using cannabis and has been using it for cleanup at Chernobyl because of its outstanding ability to absorb contaminates and heavy metals. The cleanest fertilizers on the market as that sort of thing goes are produced by Jack R. Peters out of PA. Go to this link:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chernobyl+cannabis+cleanup

Strange indeed especially for your first post.



Namaste'

Illumination said:

you do realize this thread has been dead for months? And Russia is using cannabis and has been using it for cleanup at Chernobyl because of its outstanding ability to absorb contaminates and heavy metals. The cleanest fertilizers on the market as that sort of thing goes are produced by Jack R. Peters out of PA. Go to this link:

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Illumination said:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chernobyl+cannabis+cleanup

Strange indeed especially for your first post.

Namaste'

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Not strange at all. This thread is only dead to new posting. But someone used the link mm posted here to access my website 2/15/11. So I checked it out, saw some misinformation and made a post to clarify mm's post was not quite accurate.

Re: using cannibis for phytoremediation. That's cool, you just supported my point which is trying to educate growers to not use contaminated fertilizer in the first place so you don't use your plants to do the phytoremediation.

That said, I checked some of the sites and they mention studies being conducted (by very reputable organizations) but they do not link to the studies' reports so I still have not seen studies reporting MJ's metals uptake (different plants take metals into different parts - stem, leaves, roots, fruit, etc so it is relevant to read the actual findings). Also, I would not have looked into efficacy of hemp for phytoremediation because my practice focuses strictly on US law and hemp can not, legally, be grown for phytoremediation in the US.

Re: Jack Peter's fertilizer. Jack's is listed in the Oregon database as a non-waste derived product. Therefore, it should be cleaner than a waste-derived product. Again, my focus is to educate, not to promote. The first step is to let growers know that their fertilizer could be contaminated with toxic metals and chemicals so they take the next step and actually check what their fertilizer is made from. Other than that I do not endorse any particular product.

Don't you think this is a reason worthy of bumping/reviving this thread?

Namaste

Demurrer said:

Not strange at all. This thread is only dead to new posting. But someone used the link mm posted here to access my website 2/15/11. So I checked it out, saw some misinformation and made a post to clarify mm's post was not quite accurate.

Re: using cannibis for phytoremediation. That's cool, you just supported my point which is trying to educate growers to not use contaminated fertilizer in the first place so you don't use your plants to do the phytoremediation.

That said, I checked some of the sites and they mention studies being conducted (by very reputable organizations) but they do not link to the studies' reports so I still have not seen studies reporting MJ's metals uptake (different plants take metals into different parts - stem, leaves, roots, fruit, etc so it is relevant to read the actual findings). Also, I would not have looked into efficacy of hemp for phytoremediation because my practice focuses strictly on US law and hemp can not, legally, be grown for phytoremediation in the US.

Re: Jack Peter's fertilizer. Jack's is listed in the Oregon database as a non-waste derived product. Therefore, it should be cleaner than a waste-derived product. Again, my focus is to educate, not to promote. The first step is to let growers know that their fertilizer could be contaminated with toxic metals and chemicals so they take the next step and actually check what their fertilizer is made from. Other than that I do not endorse any particular product.

Don't you think this is a reason worthy of bumping/reviving this thread?

Namaste

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yes and your info are a welcomed addition to my knowledge and I hope you become more prolific in sharing your apparent knowledge and intellect...thank you

Namaste'

how many weeks did you harvest the VK and the SLH? 8 for the vk and 10 for the SLH?

Demurrer said:

Hey mm, thanks for the link to my site. I want to clarify, though, not every state requires testing. Only Washington, Oregon, and California require the metals data to be published in a state-sponsored website. And even those states require testing for only a few heavy metals, dioxin, and furans. Or even disclosure that the fertilizer is waste-derived.

So, fertilizer buyers in those 3 states can look up the metals content of fertilizers sold in those states. If you're not buying your fertilizer in those 3 states, even if it has the exact same name and nutrient values, it may be made with different source materials and, therefore, the heavy metal and/or toxic chemical content could be different. Ironite is an example of this. They were sued in California so they use 'cleaner' material in California but they still have a mountain of the dirty material to get rid of so where do you think they dump, err, I mean sell it? That's right. They sell it in the states that don't require testing or disclosure.

This page will show the states that require any disclosure of heavy metals.

http://saffii.com/statelaw.aspx

Click to expand...

I've changed my website to a wiki. The state database links are now at this place - http://saffii.com/index.php/Databases