I like being seedy
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Im not accusing but it quite simply could be just plain bad genetics. I have a few plants that have angry looking leaves and that is just what they do genetically.
First Grow! First Post! PLEASE look at these PICTURES and tell me what the FUCK's up!
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Cyunvwyatt
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you need to water with a PH of 6.5 and add some mexican bat guano there is your cure boss man. So many people have no idea what they are talking about man if you need any more help message me. You will get Correct info.....Its going to take about a week for you to see the difference. By the looks of it I would use a tea spoon of mexican bat guano "MEXICAN" very important for this not any other kind ok. I will explain why in more detail if you want but you need to get your self a ph pen meter just to ph regulate the water. put the guano around the base of the plant and water till moist dont feed it for the week you are feediing the guano just water and dont water till the soiul is dry again to make sure the roots soak up all the fert and you dont wash them away k. hey take it easy and good luck.
watchhowIdoit
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Exactly my take from the beginning. But if someone is going to post a homemade chart that is incredibly misleading I will post a chart that is fact......
edit:and they actually may learn that pH is much more than just a number......
asaph
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how can anyone learn from you, when you don't actually teach. pasting charts taken from a website is not teaching.
Kingrow1
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Ok, i like this discussion although lets be friendly, bat guano sounds good and holds a lot of ferts and calcium so similar reation to lime, i think, correct me if im wrong. I see the problem as too high ferts or pH, dont want to narrow it down any more and this whole conversation started on this dudes thread because i offered help with the pH of nutes and then gave futher unasked advice on runoff.
Now i don't care what peoples opinions are but only that we learn somthing!! Don't fob me of with the whole runoff thing as there is some truth in it somewhere and if you want to call me out on what i have learned then discuss don't hate!!!
Now whatever you say if i run water through my soil its pH changes, even with no nutes in it and even after a good flush! Without lime the best i can get it to is 6.3 which funny enough is the exact pH of most soil round here and that comes from scientific testing not my little runoff theory so just to begin with my soil out of the bag reads runoff at 6.3 which is the exact pH of the soil so GO FIGURE!!!!
Now with that factual match up between pH i would like to just to start with explain how my runoff matches the exact pH of the soil! Whatchowidoit go for it dude cause heres the facts, i am open to different answers but you can't stop my 6.3 soil and 6.3 runoff be anything but true. Yes i did a lot of home testing and research and asked a lot of top growers on here and even more so please dont slate what is common knowledge.
I thought a little about my runoff chart but see how pH is logorythmical and would futher like to refine it with an equation that makes my reading possibly a lot more accurate since pH is ten times more acidic as you jump up the scale etc etc pH9 is not twice the difference of pH7 to 8 if you get what i mean. Of course for this equation to work or be simple i think the starting water would have to always be at pH7!
Please take this in little steps as it needs discussing, how is my soil and its runoff accurate? I like my way till i refine it or you can prove me wrong. Nicely of course guys! Peace
Now i don't care what peoples opinions are but only that we learn somthing!! Don't fob me of with the whole runoff thing as there is some truth in it somewhere and if you want to call me out on what i have learned then discuss don't hate!!!
Now whatever you say if i run water through my soil its pH changes, even with no nutes in it and even after a good flush! Without lime the best i can get it to is 6.3 which funny enough is the exact pH of most soil round here and that comes from scientific testing not my little runoff theory so just to begin with my soil out of the bag reads runoff at 6.3 which is the exact pH of the soil so GO FIGURE!!!!
Now with that factual match up between pH i would like to just to start with explain how my runoff matches the exact pH of the soil! Whatchowidoit go for it dude cause heres the facts, i am open to different answers but you can't stop my 6.3 soil and 6.3 runoff be anything but true. Yes i did a lot of home testing and research and asked a lot of top growers on here and even more so please dont slate what is common knowledge.
I thought a little about my runoff chart but see how pH is logorythmical and would futher like to refine it with an equation that makes my reading possibly a lot more accurate since pH is ten times more acidic as you jump up the scale etc etc pH9 is not twice the difference of pH7 to 8 if you get what i mean. Of course for this equation to work or be simple i think the starting water would have to always be at pH7!
Please take this in little steps as it needs discussing, how is my soil and its runoff accurate? I like my way till i refine it or you can prove me wrong. Nicely of course guys! Peace
watchhowIdoit
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each .1 of pH change is a factor of 100
Kingrow1
Well-Known Member
So if i took my little chart of pH runoff and applied a factored equation and the start water was always pH7 it would definatly be a lot more accurate maths wise? This was what i pondered today.
I keep hitting brick walls with the whole pH thing but still my way gives me results and my soil runoff was eaxactly what the soil pH is when manufactred and out of the bag, even if i flush it first to remove any nutes etc. I only seek to find an easy way to pH my soil and keep my plant healthy, my peat dose make pH problems and lime is the solution. The pots i got limed at the right amount read 6.5 all day long, maybe dropping a little after repetitive fertilizing but they hold this pH well. I have even added more lime to see if i cant achieve 6.7-6.8 as well but this will have to wait a few weeks before accurate results so to say.
I keep hitting brick walls with the whole pH thing but still my way gives me results and my soil runoff was eaxactly what the soil pH is when manufactred and out of the bag, even if i flush it first to remove any nutes etc. I only seek to find an easy way to pH my soil and keep my plant healthy, my peat dose make pH problems and lime is the solution. The pots i got limed at the right amount read 6.5 all day long, maybe dropping a little after repetitive fertilizing but they hold this pH well. I have even added more lime to see if i cant achieve 6.7-6.8 as well but this will have to wait a few weeks before accurate results so to say.
Kingrow1
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I stand by this, this is copy and pasted from 'StinkAttics' own thread on pH and runoff! She is one of the Godlike moderators oven at Canabis.Com, i use to go there years ago and know stinkyattics reputation preceeds herself, in fact i feel like going there and asking if this is tru 100 percent what she wrote in her own post and thread. I would never never dare argue with Stinkyattic and her knowledge is spot on 110percent, she makes even the best growers look like mere amatures, wish she was on this site too but i guess she likes it over there. Any way this is copy and pasted from her so i know this is one thing in support of my theory and go argue with her not me cause i believe her everyword when it come to marijuana cultivation, i will also post the link to her thread, if anyone don't know her you call her by her first name 'Marijuana God'!!!-
Soil Runoff pH, Flushing to correct lockouts- Why and how to do it!
Soil Runoff pH, Flushing to correct lockouts- Why and how to do it!
This is a common question that comes up when troubleshooting, so I thought I'd post up a little summin summin.
Why do you want to know your runoff pH? Simple- it's an indication of how your water, fertilizer, and grow medium are interacting chemically.
There are 3 measurements that are important to know when you are caring for plants growing in a soil or soilless medium.
The first is the pH of your source water.
Next is the pH of your nutrient solution after the fertilizers and supplements are added.
Last is the pH of your soil. But that's the hard one! You can't just stick a pH meter in the dirt and get an accurate reading, and the cheap metal-probed meters that show this are usually not all that precise.
So how does one determine soil pH accurately? With a runoff test! First, measure the pH of your tap water and record it. As an example, let's say that it is 7.0, exactly neutral.
Now place the pot over a clean rinsed container and pour enough water through the soil to start dripping out the bottom. Collect about 4 ounces of runoff water. Check to see if it is discolored as well.
Now, if you only have liquid indicator, which is just fine, pour this water into a clean small tube or the test vial that came with your pH testing kit.Add a few drops of indicator solution, shake, and read the color change.
If you have a meter, simply stick the electrode in the water and read.
Let's say that your runoff comes out at 6.5. How did that happen? The water passed through a more acidic matrix and dropped its pH. You can assume that your true soil pH is a couple tenths of a pH point lower than the runoff in this case- I'd assume about a 6.2. If it comes out HIGHER, just go in the opposite direction. If it came out 7.5, you can assume that you need to drop down from about 7.8.
You want around 6.0-6.5 for a soilless mix, or 6.3-6.8 for soil.
Pics:
1- Propping up the plant over a container to catch runoff
2- POuring clean water through the soil
3- For liquid indicator, pour into clean vials
4- Check the pH against the color chart
5- Adjust the flush water if necessary
Link- http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/153522-soil-runoff-ph-flushing-correct-lockouts-why-how-do.html
Why do you want to know your runoff pH? Simple- it's an indication of how your water, fertilizer, and grow medium are interacting chemically.
There are 3 measurements that are important to know when you are caring for plants growing in a soil or soilless medium.
The first is the pH of your source water.
Next is the pH of your nutrient solution after the fertilizers and supplements are added.
Last is the pH of your soil. But that's the hard one! You can't just stick a pH meter in the dirt and get an accurate reading, and the cheap metal-probed meters that show this are usually not all that precise.
So how does one determine soil pH accurately? With a runoff test! First, measure the pH of your tap water and record it. As an example, let's say that it is 7.0, exactly neutral.
Now place the pot over a clean rinsed container and pour enough water through the soil to start dripping out the bottom. Collect about 4 ounces of runoff water. Check to see if it is discolored as well.
Now, if you only have liquid indicator, which is just fine, pour this water into a clean small tube or the test vial that came with your pH testing kit.Add a few drops of indicator solution, shake, and read the color change.
If you have a meter, simply stick the electrode in the water and read.
Let's say that your runoff comes out at 6.5. How did that happen? The water passed through a more acidic matrix and dropped its pH. You can assume that your true soil pH is a couple tenths of a pH point lower than the runoff in this case- I'd assume about a 6.2. If it comes out HIGHER, just go in the opposite direction. If it came out 7.5, you can assume that you need to drop down from about 7.8.
You want around 6.0-6.5 for a soilless mix, or 6.3-6.8 for soil.
Pics:
1- Propping up the plant over a container to catch runoff
2- POuring clean water through the soil
3- For liquid indicator, pour into clean vials
4- Check the pH against the color chart
5- Adjust the flush water if necessary
Link- http://boards.cannabis.com/plant-problems/153522-soil-runoff-ph-flushing-correct-lockouts-why-how-do.html
purplekush32
Member
they defiently need water, that soil is very dry
watchhowIdoit
New Member
The first link is from the University of Rhode Island
http://www.uri.edu/ce/factsheets/sheets/soiltest.html
One from the Garden Helper
http://www.thegardenhelper.com/acidsoil.html
And a source to get the proper tools to test soil pH
http://homeharvest.com/soiltesting.htm
Went through a few papers on pH from many different sources other than cannabis forums and found no mention of using runoff pH as a means of reading a mediums pH.....
http://www.uri.edu/ce/factsheets/sheets/soiltest.html
One from the Garden Helper
http://www.thegardenhelper.com/acidsoil.html
And a source to get the proper tools to test soil pH
http://homeharvest.com/soiltesting.htm
Went through a few papers on pH from many different sources other than cannabis forums and found no mention of using runoff pH as a means of reading a mediums pH.....
Kingrow1
Well-Known Member
In fact after looking into it and going back to how soil is acidic in the first place, h and al ions and then onto CEC or 'cation exchange capacity' i see there is a lot about soil you have neglected to tell me and your comment on peat not being acidic is so wrong and misleading, not only dose peat produce acidic hydrogen ions it also has a highCEC or 'cation exchange capacity' which in laymans terms means not only is it acidic as it decomposes it also dose have a very good ability to buffer this acidity and hence lime is needed for peat soil and the amount depending on its state of decompositionand grade! Now those acidic hydrogen ions are freely available in solution and hence why a runoff test is a very good way of pH'ing your soil, let me leave you but one link as i have visited so many and feel like my head is gona explode from trying to quantify all the new information, most of which i knew but not that it had anything to do with soil! Link- (may need to read this a few times)-
http://www.greenhousegrower.com/magazine/?storyid=47
http://www.greenhousegrower.com/magazine/?storyid=47
watchhowIdoit
New Member
Hence the fact some folks get really low runoff, like 5 or below when in fact their medium pH is fine. The runoff just picked up a bunch of excess salts as it passed through the medium. But the new grower will think his medium pH is low so he goes nuts raising the pH of the medium, when actually it was fine, making it very alkili, starting the chain of events that he struggles against his entire grow. This senerio plays out daily, day in and day out, on this and the other MJ growing sites.
Sure KG1 if you play with a method and do it enough different ways of course you can get the numbers to work too your advantage. But to say reading runoff pH is an accurate way of reading medium pH is just plain wrong.
I said peat was not the acidic demon, not that is was not acidic. Peat is easily buffered to an acceptable pH by simply adding worm castings and composted organic matter.
Keep chasing your tail and pH.
Kingrow1
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But if one dose a flush flush feed then on the flush you would expect high runoff pH, the idea being that you flush till the pH comes up again and then add the nutes back in. That being on the next feed after the flush the pH shouldn't have dropped too much and so one could predict a rolling pH? If the pH was too low in the runoff a flush would be recomended anyway so the end result would be the same.
Still with that in mind an observant grower would be able to notice if the soil was turning acidic with regular monitoring and appreciation for the fert levels, all by testing the pH of the runoff??
Still with that in mind an observant grower would be able to notice if the soil was turning acidic with regular monitoring and appreciation for the fert levels, all by testing the pH of the runoff??
greenstreet0001
Member
Hey guys... Uhh all that stuff... like, all of it.. went over my head. I've sorta let the issue go in hopes that it will solve itself within the flowering stage. Speaking of which, I am posting another thread of the grow at day one of flowering very soon. Come see it and help out. The problem does still exist but I'm hoping the new nutes help. Thanks to everyone that's helped out. Come see the other thread!
greenstreet0001
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Where do I post a Grow Journal???