Mumbeltypeg
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Are you flipping from seed with these? Or close to it?
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Fatjoe
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@Star Dog thanks for the tag over to this thread. Looks like my kinda place.
These floater screens save me time and keep the plant mobile for me while training and supporting along the way. Fun stuff!
Each plant has its own 20x21 screen. Making it easier to grow multiple strains or just move plants as needed.
Love seeing all these scrogs. Great thread.
These floater screens save me time and keep the plant mobile for me while training and supporting along the way. Fun stuff!
Each plant has its own 20x21 screen. Making it easier to grow multiple strains or just move plants as needed.
Love seeing all these scrogs. Great thread.
slevarTsneveS
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I apologize, but I'm not following what you're asking? These were in veg for months in a 5x5 before they were moved into there and spread out with the trellis, then remained in veg for a few more weeks before flipping.
woodsmantoker
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Accessibility is key to efficiency and I most definitely agree its an issue of concern with Scrog cultivation at large. Large gardens tend to have more contention with how that translates, and it usually spells added labor hours/$. For the residential grow, that can also translate into being issue especially if ones mobility is limited. That said, single plant systems where by we are scrogging a plant by itself, and then stacking single plant scrogs in a given space to fill the sqft, proves quite ideal. We normally think in terms of easy setup, vs ease of cultivation process, and thus simply stretch a web across a gicen plane, and fill that plane from below accordingly. What I have been working with over the last several years (maybe 10), is just that, single plant scrog systems. These give the ability to access all portions of the plant. As a result of the modular capabilities which allow removal from a given space such as yours, if the plant is only committed to its own stand alone trellising setup, as you mention, its removable to be worked on, or spun in place, etc.
Im not a personal fan of weave techniques for a number of reasons we can get back to, but removal at the end is maybe the most obvious.
That said, there are a number of sinarios in my own garden where it does happen.
Thankyou for bringing up that point, I think this topic is important to scrog overall.
woodsmantoker
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Technique makes all the difference in most everything we do, scrog is a good representation of that. In regards to keeping things flat, with or without a measured tool such as the screen, the difficulty increases with distance from the main stem/center. The greater the distance unsupported, the more structural integrity is needed within the reaching branches. In order to support an increasing load auxin redistribution occurs. Uneven auxin redistribution plays a role in making things more difficult. However, in the case of scrog use to maintain relative horizontal positioning, regardless of relativity to true horizontally level, the tool of the screen maintains the given plane and makes keeping the even plane easy.
So, back to accessibility as the important problem to solve without compromising the intent of horizontal trellising/training.
Over the years it became obvious to me that single plant systems bring a dynamic to cannabis cultivation that is unmatched. What it provides you as the grower, is seemingly priceless. I have been making stand alone single plant scrogs systems that give accessibility you cant get any other way. If you have each plant in a stand alone scrog, that also has wheels, each plant can be removed from a given space, spun, worked, and put back with ease. This changes the game.
I am excited to share my designs, but I am trying to develop a company and product line as something I can support myself with. I havent gotten to the point of reveal, but if you folks have interest in helping with this, please let me know.
woodsmantoker
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Question for you folks, if I may. If I make a product line of scrog systems and propriety key components that are engineered to solve these inherent issues, would you folks be interested? Would you support a woodsmantoker made product line? This has been a long time comming, many times talked about, but never more of interest to me than now. If you want to join me in discussing it further, please come hollar at me on Scrog Technologies FB page.
Star Dog
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My hands are full atm I'm not planning on using a screen until I cut back on seeds and run clones again.
I've too many to treat them individually.
Fwiw I used these before but i found them a pain to set up more than one, I've a dodgy back they were too much bending and leaning getting them in place.
They worked fine not surprisingly.
I've too many to treat them individually.
Fwiw I used these before but i found them a pain to set up more than one, I've a dodgy back they were too much bending and leaning getting them in place.
They worked fine not surprisingly.
woodsmantoker
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This is a great question.
Each cultivar will potentially need a different set of rules from one another. This leans back towards early discussion about learning given strains before setting the rules. From there, having a guide for how to maintain and manage each accordingly, makes good sense. Another good rule of thumb has been to stop training during preflowering stretch with all unknown varieties so you can see and "measure" how that cultivar preforms through that period (I can elaborate further if you would like). Never the less, whatever doest fit the mold (aka scrog) should be kept within the relative plane of evenly horizontal in relationship to the rest of the plant, or disruption in uniformity will result.
Fatjoe
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I do these things you mention with floater screens. Simple method.
woodsmantoker
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Nice!
Understood, I wouldn't suggest systems for each seed plant when they are still part of a selection process or prior to being ready to commit them to a given goal that requires scrog methodology. Typically, clones or selected plants that are at the point of training to size for flowering, are ideal for single plant systems.
Take into consideration that there are factors that would make functionality surprisingly more easy such as wheels. If each of those units were attached to a platform that allowed you to roll it out of the tent, and spin it 360 while still remaining seated (think wheelchair), how might that change things. The problem of accessibility isnt solved by a larger net, but rather the opposite. You make the best point, its easier. True, but also not better. If you have accessibility, how much better would each plant look relatively speaking, and how much more efficient would you be at the goal of scrog cultivation overall? Thats where the concept of modular units comes in so strong. I think we have been missing out for a long time, scrogging large batches of plants vs individualized and more one on one focus with each plant. This is represented well in gardens where a grower can focus on each plant individually.
The scrog design/engineering should achive these goals, not the growers techniques persay. Thats the compromise I want to bridge through product development for you folks.
woodsmantoker
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Floating screens are fantastic and have many applications. What they lack however, that stand alone systems with frames achive, is relavent. Lets chat about it! I would love to have you folks test some prototypes.
woodsmantoker
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Holy moly, good people. I have been at this thread for 15 years (give or take a few absences). Scrogging for much longer. Its a great feeling being back on here with you fine people, discussing a passion and long time interment relationship with this plant. I appreciate you all.
Fatjoe
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To me a scrog or screen is just a tool. Doesn't really matter what strain it is. I control it with the screen. My floaters are not set framed scrogs. They grow with the canopy from flip to harvest. They provide support and you can keep your canopy as flat as you'd like. Using clones helps with knowledge of the growing characteristics.
I can also pull plants from the tent anytime.
A single enclosed unit is a decent idea for handicapped folks. I'm sure there's a market out there for it. Setting up a nice system would make things easier for that type of scrog.
I can also pull plants from the tent anytime.
A single enclosed unit is a decent idea for handicapped folks. I'm sure there's a market out there for it. Setting up a nice system would make things easier for that type of scrog.
slevarTsneveS
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This is end of day 39. Had to throw in a trellis because everything is already flopping over.
